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Ohboy wrote:EDHdad wrote:It isn't that it's 20 games or 70 games or 1 game per event. It's that, for the first 20-25 wins, you get something every 4-5 wins - some runes, some crystals, some cards. Then this comes crashing to a halt and you get to play 50 straight games for no additional benefit.
The "additional" part of "additional benefit" is the key difference, in my mind, between "fun" and "grind".
And the reason this matters is because I don't want to let my coalition down. When it was just me playing in an event, I was fine stopping after maxing out the incremental awards.
So it's your choice and you hate the choice you make, so the game should change so you don't hate it as much?
It should change so that you're not placed under a social obligation to do something that you don't like. We get enough of that rubbish in real life, now it's in our games too...0 -
Irgy wrote:Ohboy wrote:EDHdad wrote:It isn't that it's 20 games or 70 games or 1 game per event. It's that, for the first 20-25 wins, you get something every 4-5 wins - some runes, some crystals, some cards. Then this comes crashing to a halt and you get to play 50 straight games for no additional benefit.
The "additional" part of "additional benefit" is the key difference, in my mind, between "fun" and "grind".
And the reason this matters is because I don't want to let my coalition down. When it was just me playing in an event, I was fine stopping after maxing out the incremental awards.
So it's your choice and you hate the choice you make, so the game should change so you don't hate it as much?
It should change so that you're not placed under a social obligation to do something that you don't like. We get enough of that rubbish in real life, now it's in our games too...
You realise you can quit your coalition right.0 -
majincob wrote:Ohboy wrote:So it's your choice and you hate the choice you make, so the game should change so you don't hate it as much?
For crying out loud. You are doing this to yourself. Don't do it if it's not fun for you. There's a price to staying in top. Mark Rosewater was not talking about competitive leagues.
Next you're going to tell me sports are badly designed because the optimal way to reach the top of your chosen sport is to train hard and not play fun pick up games instead.0 -
Pqmtg- wrote:majincob wrote:Ohboy wrote:So it's your choice and you hate the choice you make, so the game should change so you don't hate it as much?
For crying out loud. You are doing this to yourself. Don't do it if it's not fun for you. There's a price to staying in top. Mark Rosewater was not talking about competitive leagues.
Next you're going to tell me sports are badly designed because the optimal way to reach the top of your chosen sport is to train hard and not play fun pick up games instead.
But this is a game not a sport. I love the game and I'm competitive, so I shouldn't have fun? That doesn't make any sense. I will always give feedback to make the game more fun, because I think it's a great game and I want it to last, and I think that making the game more fun will make it last longer.0 -
majincob wrote:Pqmtg- wrote:majincob wrote:Ohboy wrote:So it's your choice and you hate the choice you make, so the game should change so you don't hate it as much?
For crying out loud. You are doing this to yourself. Don't do it if it's not fun for you. There's a price to staying in top. Mark Rosewater was not talking about competitive leagues.
Next you're going to tell me sports are badly designed because the optimal way to reach the top of your chosen sport is to train hard and not play fun pick up games instead.
But this is a game not a sport. I love the game and I'm competitive, so I shouldn't have fun? That doesn't make any sense. I will always give feedback to make the game more fun, because I think it's a great game and I want it to last, and I think that making the game more fun will make it last longer.
But not competitive enough to both have fun and be the best. Imagine my violin as there's no icon for it.0 -
Pqmtg- wrote:majincob wrote:Ohboy wrote:So it's your choice and you hate the choice you make, so the game should change so you don't hate it as much?
For crying out loud. You are doing this to yourself. Don't do it if it's not fun for you. There's a price to staying in top. Mark Rosewater was not talking about competitive leagues.
Next you're going to tell me sports are badly designed because the optimal way to reach the top of your chosen sport is to train hard and not play fun pick up games instead.
I'm astounded that so many people appreciate bad design in these parts, though. Carry on, I guess.0 -
fox1342 wrote:But not competitive enough to both have fun and be the best. Imagine my violin as there's no icon for it.
I enjoy a good challenge, and I make decks that can meet objectives and crush it, but really? Would it make anyone happier if the challeges were twice or three times as hard?0 -
majincob wrote:I enjoy a good challenge, and I make decks that can meet objectives and crush it, but really? Would it make anyone happier if the challeges were twice or three times as hard?0
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Corn Noodles wrote:majincob wrote:I enjoy a good challenge, and I make decks that can meet objectives and crush it, but really? Would it make anyone happier if the challeges were twice or three times as hard?0
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Corn Noodles wrote:If the goal of making challenges harder is to differentiate the leaderboards a bit, I think that's good. I don't know if harder challenges is the right way to achieve that goal, but I'm glad there might be something that'll break up the ties at the top a bit.
Actually i like the ribbon system of the Terrors events the most. Didn't see many (any?) players at the top of my bracket with the same score at the end of the event.
They could possibly give the bonus objectives a little more weight by giving 2 and 3 pts instead of 1 and 2 or maybe even more. This would instantly bring more variance to the final scores of all players.0 -
Corn Noodles wrote:majincob wrote:I enjoy a good challenge, and I make decks that can meet objectives and crush it, but really? Would it make anyone happier if the challeges were twice or three times as hard?
The most annoying part of these objectives to me is that there are a few cards like From Beyond that look like they'll make the objectives much easier, and there's still no way to acquire cards individually for large numbers of runes or crystals. Despite getting rare cards in pretty much every green quick battle, and buying ~10 big boxes of BFZ when it came back on sale recently, I still don't have a From Beyond.0 -
I think the bonus objectives are thrown in there so you want to get cards from the latest block. It's probably just added benefit that they break all the ties. It isn't fun, though, spending money and time on making a powerful and unique deck and then **** it with the same spirit cards everyone else is jamming in their deck. Then you have to play with your food and prolong the match to cast them all.
I'm not saying they should remove them and I respect everyone's competitive spirit but it is a marketing ploy and nothing else.0 -
Ohboy wrote:Irgy wrote:Ohboy wrote:EDHdad wrote:It isn't that it's 20 games or 70 games or 1 game per event. It's that, for the first 20-25 wins, you get something every 4-5 wins - some runes, some crystals, some cards. Then this comes crashing to a halt and you get to play 50 straight games for no additional benefit.
The "additional" part of "additional benefit" is the key difference, in my mind, between "fun" and "grind".
And the reason this matters is because I don't want to let my coalition down. When it was just me playing in an event, I was fine stopping after maxing out the incremental awards.
So it's your choice and you hate the choice you make, so the game should change so you don't hate it as much?
It should change so that you're not placed under a social obligation to do something that you don't like. We get enough of that rubbish in real life, now it's in our games too...
You realise you can quit your coalition right.
Yeah, sure. I could quit the whole game too. That's not a sign of good design though is it?
The point is they're going to great lengths to reward you for and encourage you to join a coallition, and then creating painful grindy events. Maybe I want a game that's fun and rewarding rather than having to choose one. It certainly seems like a good idea from a design point of view. Irrespective of the need to motivate payment - since paying players get stuck in the grind as much as anyone else if they want to be involved (and are rewarded for paying through different mechanisms).
Currently you can't join the Avacyn event unless you're in a coalition, and if you're in one you suffer the obligation. Yes it's a choice but it's two bad options where there could be just one good one.0 -
Irgy wrote:
Yeah, sure. I could quit the whole game too. That's not a sign of good design though is it?
The point is they're going to great lengths to reward you for and encourage you to join a coallition, and then creating painful grindy events. Maybe I want a game that's fun and rewarding rather than having to choose one. It certainly seems like a good idea from a design point of view. Irrespective of the need to motivate payment - since paying players get stuck in the grind as much as anyone else if they want to be involved (and are rewarded for paying through different mechanisms).
Currently you can't join the Avacyn event unless you're in a coalition, and if you're in one you suffer the obligation. Yes it's a choice but it's two bad options where there could be just one good one.
Pick a coalition that doesn't require you to jump the hoops you don't want to. Not every coalition makes you grind every single game out to stay in.
Joining an elite group will always mean more effort. This is true in every game. The game is fun and rewarding. It's the people you choose to hang out with that are making it less fun for you. Find new friends that enjoy the game the same way you do.0 -
majincob wrote:Corn Noodles wrote:majincob wrote:I enjoy a good challenge, and I make decks that can meet objectives and crush it, but really? Would it make anyone happier if the challeges were twice or three times as hard?0
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Feagul wrote:majincob wrote:Corn Noodles wrote:majincob wrote:I enjoy a good challenge, and I make decks that can meet objectives and crush it, but really? Would it make anyone happier if the challeges were twice or three times as hard?
Like most decks in PVP.0 -
shteev wrote:Feagul wrote:Shteev's decks were one trick RC / Harness ponies that folded like a house of cards.
RC and Harness is two tricks. You wait until I get a Drowner of Hope, *then* I'll be building one trick pony decks.0 -
Pqmtg- wrote:For crying out loud.Pqmtg- wrote:You are doing this to yourself.Pqmtg- wrote:There's a price to staying in top.Pqmtg- wrote:Mark Rosewater was not talking about competitive leagues.Pqmtg- wrote:Next you're going to tell me sports are badly designed because the optimal way to reach the top of your chosen sport is to train hard and not play fun pick up games instead.0
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shteev wrote:responding to a couple o' fellas
or, to employ some elegance:
"Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."0
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