I actually found a positive for Lazy(Gold)Characters

Phaserhawk

Okay. I'm with most that Lazy Gold's are, well, lazy, however I did find a reason as to why it may be a good thing however minor. One thing I am running into is Roster Space, I'm at 35 and it starts to get a bit pricey, however, with Gold Characters, do we need their 2* counterpart anymore? Is creating a Lazy character one way of helping Roster Issues? If LazyThor is available in all the same events as 2* Thor, aside from just the cover or having two buffed Thor's for an event, (because that's the only reason you would need 2) I could see they Lazy characters being beneficially, anyway, just a thought, trying to find a positive spin.

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And then a ** only tourney comes along

djpt05

My concern is that there will be a PvE where one node is a mandatory 2* even though we have the lazy counterpart. I wish we could get dev comfirmation that would never occur.

Same reason why I keep the 1* iron man because the 3* has been restricted for certain Heroic events

Phaserhawk

Right, that is my only worry as well. It would be nice, maybe that's why they are gold, they can be used at anytime a 2* counterpart could, that would at least make them somewhat better than a regular 3*,

Unknown

I was really hoping to use even an unbuffed 2* Thor in the recent heroics but that was not an option. I want to be optimistic that Golds will be interchangeable when there are required nodes/chearacter restrictions but they have already shown examples of that not being the case.

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djpt05 wrote:

My concern is that there will be a PvE where one node is a mandatory 2* even though we have the lazy counterpart. I wish we could get dev comfirmation that would never occur.

Same reason why I keep the 1* iron man because the 3* has been restricted for certain Heroic events

We actually have reverse confirmation. IceIX listed in another thread reasons to keep both versions of a character. The reasons were the normal: buffed 2* but not the 3*, 2* only tournament, 2* allowed in a tourney, but not the 3* (i.e. heroic juggs let 3* play but not 2*).

Sucks, but means I'll be keeping both.

Unknown

I would think for any future storyline PvE's, they are going to feature these Gold characters because they want encourage people to gamble on Gacha pulls to get them.

The only time you will screw yourself is when there are tournaments that are for specific star levels or classes (like Avengers only, or Gods only), but there is a pretty good selection of alternative choices if you ever find yourself in that situation. It's not like a Dark Avengers or Woman's Only tournament where missing one or two characters can really effect your success.

I'm still going to hold onto both of them though. I have Thor maxed and Captain America in the high 50's.

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djpt05 wrote:

My concern is that there will be a PvE where one node is a mandatory 2* even though we have the lazy counterpart. I wish we could get dev comfirmation that would never occur.

Same reason why I keep the 1* iron man because the 3* has been restricted for certain Heroic events

Confirmation already given by IceIX in the 3*** Captain America reveal thread.

IceIX wrote:

<snip> ...until you run a Heroic that the Gold isn't usable in but the 2* is. Or when you hit a PVP Tournament where it's 2* or lower. Or you hit an Event where the 2* is buffed and the 3* isn't. Quite a few reasons to keep a maxed 2* around, just like there are reasons to keep Iron Man (Model 35) around when you're using 3 141s.

http://www.d3pforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5088

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Phaserhawk wrote:

Right, that is my only worry as well. It would be nice, maybe that's why they are gold, they can be used at anytime a 2* counterpart could, that would at least make them somewhat better than a regular 3*,

IceIX specifically stated in an old post they consider ** & *** gold characters different. In the future, one could be buffed while the other isn't. I'm in the same situation. My Lazy Thor is lvl 53 (2/3/3) while my ** Thor is only lvl 40 (3/5/5). I may end up selling my ** before the end of next month if I don't see any use out of him.

Unknown

The issue I see is with newer players. Why would I invest in a 2* Thor/Cap when there is a Gold in my future? There are plenty of other 2* alternatives

Unknown

I was hoping that if a gold character is available, the original version of that character would be as well, but the last Heroic event showed this won't be the case. Gold Thor was not only available, but even required for missions, yet the 2* Thor wasn't. So I doubt it is wise to sell the original characters, especially if someone has no roster restrictions.

Currently my roster has 32 slots and there are some characters I wouldn't miss if I ever have to make some room. Villains are rarely required so Bullseye (lv 6) and maybe Juggernaut (lv 10) will probably go in the future. I will keep Moonstone for now in case we get a Ladies tournament and Daken since he has his uses, although I can't bring myself to drop ISO on either of them. It feels such a waste for characters I have needed 1-2 times so far.

Unknown

I'll say it again, because it needs to be said repeatedly: one of the clearest long-term problems with this game is the rate of character release relative to the rate of HP distribution. Namely: the first just keeps on increasing while the second is constantly dropping. Giving this game a de facto subscription fee in the form of roster expenses feels kind of lame to me.

Gold characters are lazy design, but with all other factors eliminated I can see the appeal of a 3* Thor or (especially) a souped-up Captain America. I just wish there were more HP available so that everyone could work on building them.

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Jachdo wrote:

The issue I see is with newer players. Why would I invest in a 2* Thor/Cap when there is a Gold in my future? There are plenty of other 2* alternatives

You're right, there is a large possibility of this happening but if those players take a step back and think about it rationally then hopefully they'll realize this line of thinking is (for the most part) silly.

Assuming the same level cap all two stars are created equal in terms of iso and number of covers (or hp) required to max them out. So if your ultimate goal is Modern Thor and you're (like most people) going to need a 2star or two or three to help you get there then maxing out Original Black Widow (a great character) is no different than maxing out Marvel Now Thor (at worst a good character) in terms of resources spent.

The big (and maybe only) difference is you'll never be able to use the two Thor's together whereas OBW can be teammates with either of them.

If all of this was communicated to new players in game so they know the possibilities/restrictions then I'm fine with it...

MarvelMan

Moon 17 wrote:

I'll say it again, because it needs to be said repeatedly: one of the clearest long-term problems with this game is the rate of character release relative to the rate of HP distribution. Namely: the first just keeps on increasing while the second is constantly dropping. Giving this game a de facto subscription fee in the form of roster expenses feels kind of lame to me.

Gold characters are lazy design, but with all other factors eliminated I can see the appeal of a 3* Thor or (especially) a souped-up Captain America. I just wish there were more HP available so that everyone could work on building them.

This is one of my major frustrations. As you point out the HP doled out to F2P is the same or lower than it was, but with the char releases the need for roster slots goes up, which come with increasing price tags. This is a huge wall for new players as they see that it will be a hefty chunk of change to get roster slots for all chars and so often they sell their early 3* covers then get frustrated. Ive made the suggestion before, but I think they need to incorporate roster slot "tokens" into the daily rewards. Not one each time they release, maybe just every 40 days or every other char release. Plus if they front weight a couple to the first 10 days (w/ expirations) it would help those people starting.

Unknown

This really bugs me. If I level a lazy character to the point where its stats are better than the non-lazy character's max stats, I would never use the non-lazy version again under normal circumstances. But I still have to keep the non-lazy version (and a roster spot!) for events where only that character is required, buffed, etc instead of the lazy version.

Unknown

My old Thor is still at 22, half where I have LT at the moment, and I will definitely dump him if face roster space shortage. Same for ** Captain.

If any of the events IceIX mentioned come my way, so be it. I'm certainly glad to keep real variants like Wolverines but Gold stuff makes the regular irrelevant. And really shame on D3 if it would force having the old version arbitrarily.

A general ** tournament is certainly fair play, but for that not having 1-2 characters is more than natural in the first place and the ones you have make up.

sinnerjfl

Moon 17 wrote:

I'll say it again, because it needs to be said repeatedly: one of the clearest long-term problems with this game is the rate of character release relative to the rate of HP distribution. Namely: the first just keeps on increasing while the second is constantly dropping. Giving this game a de facto subscription fee in the form of roster expenses feels kind of lame to me.

We just had a PVE event in which you could get 50HP/100HP twice daily for 10 days if you made top 100 or top 20 respectively. Do the math, that was a lot of HP. They also added a 25HP rewards to tokens.

The only problem with roster space is the increasing cost which never caps off. At 30 slots, it is 400HP...

Unknown

Yeah, the math doesn't work out...the first time the Hunt was run, you could earn 100 or 150 HP from repeatable mission nodes within the last sub-event. Like, everyone could. Up until a few weeks ago, I got 25 HP every time I got rid of a superfluous 3* cover (in comparison, I have earned exactly 25 HP from standard tokens since they HP rewards became available). Also, while I don't have the numbers in front of me, my impression is that the HP payout at each reward tier in PVP events has been steadily dropping over time.

Unknown

It's not so bad 3 Thor is buffed and 2 not. Any future events where 2 is buffed and 3 not is going to be really aggravating though.

Unknown

Considering I don't use 2* Cap and he isn't maxed, he will be used as ISO boosting material. What I would like is a higher sell value for characters like the did with Thorverine.

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I see nothing positive in puking out almost identical characters and labeling them as "gold". I see it as incredibley lazy and an obvious cash grab.