throvolos wrote: My friend has 7 covers of OML and is wrecking face.
wymtime wrote: There is a reason people play OML with Phoenix and that is because you want to take them both down last. Her purple to red can be quite Nasty. If you look at some of the other 5* like BSSM, IM, Cap they can also take a while to get going. Here is another character people thought was worse then hey really were. Gamora. When she came out people thought her black was poor. Once she was paired with IF and in position to tank she was awsome. It is a different tier but once you leveled Gamora and had her covered you realized how good she really was.
Vhailorx wrote: wymtime wrote: There is a reason people play OML with Phoenix and that is because you want to take them both down last. Her purple to red can be quite Nasty. If you look at some of the other 5* like BSSM, IM, Cap they can also take a while to get going. Here is another character people thought was worse then hey really were. Gamora. When she came out people thought her black was poor. Once she was paired with IF and in position to tank she was awsome. It is a different tier but once you leveled Gamora and had her covered you realized how good she really was. I think that's a poor example. Gamora is just what people though when she came out: middle tier And a solid b-team centerpiece. She has to tank for her black to work, but she can't survive very long when tanking. And he black rarely adds more than 1k in strikes. It should be stronger or cost a lot less. I bet you could fins comments to that effect in December 2015. The community was spot on with her. I think 4*cyclops and rulk are better examples of characters that played much better than they looked on paper, the community was cool on both when announced. But they were clearly very strong once in the wild.
OneLastGambit wrote: Much as I love cap his 5* variant is possibly the weakest in the tier. He does have uses and he can be great but it requires using some team mates which will die very quickly in a 5* fight. Alone he struggles a lot, so does im46 An argument could be made that BW is the weakest of all since her best uses rely on the AI playing smart against you, which it never does. But Phoenix? No she's actually solid on her own and that's coming from someone who isn't a fan of her
Orangecrush wrote: Your pheonix feels weak because she is level 270, not because of the covers. 5* characters scale with levels much more than with covers. Max her out and you'll change your mind about her. She is a much better offensive character than OML.
Chrono_Tata wrote: For some reason, the game has decided to give me 18 Phoenix drops, so after the SHIELD rank ISO windfall, I decided to champ her. Note that none of my other 5-star are even levelled. Ignoring the fact that this seems to have put my MMR to matching me with other 5-star teams all the time, she's actually stupidly good on offence. Paired with another red accelerator like Hulkbuster, she's really fast. Also, she saves you a ton of health pack as you almost never need to heal her. When she is low on health, just let her die and activate her resurrection. I think her biggest downside though is not being very dangerous on defence. She's a relatively squishy character if you don't take into account her "bonus" health from resurrection, but anyone who fights against her on defence knows to kill her last so she doesn't get to use it.
Vhailorx wrote: As a result phoenix really does need an x/5/x build to be at her best.
Quebbster wrote: Chrono_Tata wrote: For some reason, the game has decided to give me 18 Phoenix drops, so after the SHIELD rank ISO windfall, I decided to champ her. Note that none of my other 5-star are even levelled. Ignoring the fact that this seems to have put my MMR to matching me with other 5-star teams all the time, she's actually stupidly good on offence. Paired with another red accelerator like Hulkbuster, she's really fast. Also, she saves you a ton of health pack as you almost never need to heal her. When she is low on health, just let her die and activate her resurrection. I think her biggest downside though is not being very dangerous on defence. She's a relatively squishy character if you don't take into account her "bonus" health from resurrection, but anyone who fights against her on defence knows to kill her last so she doesn't get to use it. Phoenix is more dangerous than OML on defense. Cascades from her purple can wreck anyone and her green means you need to kill her last.
Chrono_Tata wrote: Quebbster wrote: Chrono_Tata wrote: For some reason, the game has decided to give me 18 Phoenix drops, so after the SHIELD rank ISO windfall, I decided to champ her. Note that none of my other 5-star are even levelled. Ignoring the fact that this seems to have put my MMR to matching me with other 5-star teams all the time, she's actually stupidly good on offence. Paired with another red accelerator like Hulkbuster, she's really fast. Also, she saves you a ton of health pack as you almost never need to heal her. When she is low on health, just let her die and activate her resurrection. I think her biggest downside though is not being very dangerous on defence. She's a relatively squishy character if you don't take into account her "bonus" health from resurrection, but anyone who fights against her on defence knows to kill her last so she doesn't get to use it. Phoenix is more dangerous than OML on defense. Cascades from her purple can wreck anyone and her green means you need to kill her last. I dunno but personally I've been killed a lot more often by a stray OML managing to go into berserker mode than a cascading Phoenix. And once OML gets a few strike tiles out, even without berserker mode, his cascades are also pretty dangerous.