So does SHIELD rank make you more likely to champ 2*'s now??

ulcerousbrett

Previously I thought cycle-champing the better two-stars was a marginal undertaking.

Getting meaningful Shield XP for champing and then adding levels to 2*'s I think gets me over the hump and interested in cycle-champing all eight 2*'s at all times.


Thoughts? Analysis?

thanos8587

im doing all 13, ex bagman. no regrets. keeps me well stocked in hp plus the bonus cp and champ covers for the 3s and the 5 heroics which are at a minimum more levels for the 2s and at a maximum a useable 4. the shield rank xp is a cherry on the top.

even at my level of play they fully champ pretty quickly.

Fightmastermpq

IMO the goal of anyone playing should be to get to a point where they can comfortably hit max progression every event if they desire, and to get to that point as quickly as possible. At 70k+ ISO a pop, champing all the 2*s means not champing two 4*s. And if you aren't regularly hitting 1300 in PvP then you should be spending your ISO on 4*s, not 2*s

Polares

As a 5 player I had zero interest in 2 champ cycling, iso has been my main focus in the last months, always needing some iso to champ a four/five before a cover expired. Now on the other hand, also thanks to the 900k iso, everything's changed and I will probably start doing it.

In the long run this 520xp you get, are worth 1/4 of the xp needed for a level and every level I get 30k+ iso, so I guess now it is worth doing it. We will see if we need more xp for the next levels.

Any guide on which is the best way to do it? I don't want to invest 10000 HP to but 10 new roster positions so I guess I will start with OBW, thor and cap

Arhiippa

Considering that cycling 2*s is pretty close to iso-neutral now, I'll definitely be farming the 2*s. Since I don't have any useable 4*s, the tokens and HP will be worth more to me than a negligible iso loss. Since I already have all 2*s champed, there is no need to invest any iso into it until I've maxed one and then I can see if I want to roll it around immediately or prioritize something else. While the process is gradual, it's a non-random way to build up 3* champions which in turn help build 4*s.

Orion

I was cycling all 14 2*s before this happened and I'll still do it.

I'm at the point where I don't care if my 2* essential is a 1 cover version and I'll beat DDQ with some lesser-tier guys if I'm cycling Storm or OBW at the moment. When a 2* hits 144, I sell him as soon as I get the next cover and replace him with the single cover. The loss of ISO is pretty negligible after you take all of the other rewards into account.

broll

I've already been cycling and this makes it even more worth it. (However had I known this was coming I probably wouldn't have started cycling until after I got my grandfathered rank. Only having 7 instead of 13 2* probably dropped me down a few levels).

Phumade

Polares wrote:

Any guide on which is the best way to do it? I don't want to invest 10000 HP to but 10 new roster positions so I guess I will start with OBW, thor and cap

At your level and pace of play you should be able to ammass cover fairly quickly.

I use roughly 8-10 slots for the 14 2* chars.

the 14 day window is generally long enough to accumulate 15-25 covers of any one 2*. I basically try to time it that my slots are tied for as little time as possible before I flip the char.

Same thing with respect to paying the leveling fees. I personally cap my champed 2* to 10 chars, and as I sell I champ, I use that money to promote the 2* that is closest to expiring.

Since your in 5* land, I wouldn't worry about building a dupe before flipping. But you might want to pay attention to who the next 2* essential is in pve.

Its all pretty straight forward and using the filters in the que system makes it alot easier to separate the tiers and manage who is about to expire.

At the end of the day, a cover is only worth 250 iso, so its not that big of an issue if you miss time things.

TxMoose

there is a point in roster development that furthering your roster really makes very little difference in performance (law of diminishing returns). to me that litmus test is basically being able to hit 1300 at will in pvp. if you can do that, I think you absolutely should go back and finish the base of the roster (2s and 3s). I was already in the process of doing that and was close enough that this iso dump let me finish everything and open my ~2 months hoard of event/heroics - was 395 of them. and I immediately hit over level 67. the iso helps speed whatever projects your working on along. if you can't hit 1300 in pvp, you probably need to work on your 4* champs or usable 5*s. if you can hit 1300, seriously look into going the completionist route at the bottom.

Fightmastermpq

TxMoose wrote:

there is a point in roster development that furthering your roster really makes very little difference in performance (law of diminishing returns). to me that litmus test is basically being able to hit 1300 at will in pvp. if you can do that, I think you absolutely should go back and finish the base of the roster (2s and 3s). I was already in the process of doing that and was close enough that this iso dump let me finish everything and open my ~2 months hoard of event/heroics - was 395 of them. and I immediately hit over level 67. the iso helps speed whatever projects your working on along. if you can't hit 1300 in pvp, you probably need to work on your 4* champs or usable 5*s. if you can hit 1300, seriously look into going the completionist route at the bottom.

Exactly.

Champing 3*s is valuable because each 3* character has their own featured event. So I was trying to keep a 100k or so ISO reserve to use to champ 3*s as their events came, and then additional ISO went to the 2* farm. Slowly but surely all 3*s and 2*s got champed, and seeing a rewards screen full of blue "Add Level" buttons is a wonderful experience.

SnowcaTT

I had finally decided to re-champ the 2*'s (for the slow CP influx), the SHIELD iso will get the ones I didn't have (Moonstone/Bullseye yesterday, CapA/Wolvy/Daken/Torch/CapM soon) maxed again.

Jarvind

I said F it and champed them all. Previously I only had Storm, Ares and Magneto champed. I figured if I didn't do it now, I never would.

I don't see myself cycling them when they max out - I see the value but it just seems like too much of a hassle. I spent years in MMOs micromanaging stuff and completely burnt out - now I get exhausted by anything more complicated than "make the numbers go up."

Fightmastermpq

Jarvind wrote:

I said F it and champed them all. Previously I only had Storm, Ares and Magneto champed. I figured if I didn't do it now, I never would.

I don't see myself cycling them when they max out - I see the value but it just seems like too much of a hassle. I spent years in MMOs micromanaging stuff and completely burnt out - now I get exhausted by anything more complicated than "make the numbers go up."

Honestly keeping them as an ISO bank isn't the worst thing either. If you need some ISO in a pinch to champ a 4* or 5* before a cover expires you can just sell off some 2s and build them back later.

Ezrius

I was on the fence before, but now I think there are at least a few that feel worth it. For me, cycling at least Hawkeye, Storm, and Magneto seem to make sense. In addition to the fact that I don't have IM40, Hawkstorm, and CMags fully covered yet, the progression of 2*->3*->4* that helps contribute to building Hulkbuster, Prof X, and 4Thor seems to make these three particularly appetizing.

Thor, Daken, and Ares may be worth a look, too, but I may need to build in a little more roster space with HP first.

DFiPL

I have no interest in PvP. My ability to hit 1300 is irrelevant, because I won't spend on shields. "Shield hopping" is a revenue mechanic, not "ooh fun!"

So, yes, I cycled 2* champions before, and will continue to do so.

Calnexin

I'm farming. I'm reticent to sacrifice the sacred cows (Magento and Storm), but everyone else is fair game.

Orion

Calnexin wrote:

I'm farming. I'm reticent to sacrifice the sacred cows (Magento and Storm), but everyone else is fair game.

Don't be worried. The scaling on 2* essentials is low enough that you can easily beat them 2-on-3 with your roster. And 2* DDQ can be beaten with any 3 champion 2*s. Heck, when this whole business of selling 2*s for big ISO first came out, I sold 10 of them right off the bat. I had to beat both DDQ nodes with level 94 Bullseye, Ms Marvel and Torch. If I can win with that, you can survive without Stormento.

Calnexin

Orion wrote:

If I can win with that, you can survive without Stormento.

Speed is a factor. I'm sure I won't lose with constant cycling, but if I have to spend an extra ten minutes between those nodes I might not be able to finish the DDQ before work.

I recently swapped Thor for Ares and it hasn't made a lick of difference. Storm seems like a bigger deal. That windstorm turns the 2nd tier node 2 into three taps, and with a favorable board makes the 3rd node much faster. Mags is just there to boost Storm, but it's been handy in a speedy way frequently.

Fightmastermpq

Orion wrote:

Calnexin wrote:

I'm farming. I'm reticent to sacrifice the sacred cows (Magento and Storm), but everyone else is fair game.

Don't be worried. The scaling on 2* essentials is low enough that you can easily beat them 2-on-3 with your roster. And 2* DDQ can be beaten with any 3 champion 2*s. Heck, when this whole business of selling 2*s for big ISO first came out, I sold 10 of them right off the bat. I had to beat both DDQ nodes with level 94 Bullseye, Ms Marvel and Torch. If I can win with that, you can survive without Stormento.

I can beat that. I had Bagman, Ms. Marvel, and Cap for a while!

Orion

Fightmastermpq wrote:

Orion wrote:

Calnexin wrote:

I'm farming. I'm reticent to sacrifice the sacred cows (Magento and Storm), but everyone else is fair game.

Don't be worried. The scaling on 2* essentials is low enough that you can easily beat them 2-on-3 with your roster. And 2* DDQ can be beaten with any 3 champion 2*s. Heck, when this whole business of selling 2*s for big ISO first came out, I sold 10 of them right off the bat. I had to beat both DDQ nodes with level 94 Bullseye, Ms Marvel and Torch. If I can win with that, you can survive without Stormento.

I can beat that. I had Bagman, Ms. Marvel, and Cap for a while!

At least Ms Marvel has an AoE. I would think that Bagman, Cap and Bullseye would be the worst.

And I just flipped Ares. He's the first one that I've flipped twice.

CT1888

Fightmastermpq wrote:

Orion wrote:

Calnexin wrote:

I'm farming. I'm reticent to sacrifice the sacred cows (Magento and Storm), but everyone else is fair game.

Don't be worried. The scaling on 2* essentials is low enough that you can easily beat them 2-on-3 with your roster. And 2* DDQ can be beaten with any 3 champion 2*s. Heck, when this whole business of selling 2*s for big ISO first came out, I sold 10 of them right off the bat. I had to beat both DDQ nodes with level 94 Bullseye, Ms Marvel and Torch. If I can win with that, you can survive without Stormento.

I can beat that. I had Bagman, Ms. Marvel, and Cap for a while!

Sometimes, all you need is Ares at 144. I've beaten both nodes with him plus two undercovered level 15s before. I'va had to take him in solo fight the 3 *s. Its good fun.