Can we get an official response on Legendary Tokens changing

mindsuckr
mindsuckr Posts: 154
edited June 2016 in MPQ General Discussion
They said that when Civil War ends that Cap and IM will go into latest legendary tokens. In theory this will push Pheonix and Spider-Man into classics, and thus push down the percentage of everyone in there to 2.5% rather than 3.3%.
Is this 100% going to be the case, or are they working on any other tricks to make things slightly better for us?
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  • Clyve
    Clyve Posts: 91
    I believe they've stated it will work as you describe here.
  • Philly79
    Philly79 Posts: 422 Mover and Shaker
    solid confirmation would be nice icon_e_biggrin.gif
  • mindsuckr
    mindsuckr Posts: 154
    Official word is "After the second run of the event, Steve Rogers (First Avenger) and Iron Man (Mark XLVI) will be added to the Latest Legends packs replacing Jean Grey (Phoenix) and Spider-Man (Back in Black). Spider-Man (Back in Black) will be added to the Classic Legends pack." We can still hold out hope on percentages changing, or maybe some other thing to keep things reasonable on pulling 5s you need.
  • mpqr7
    mpqr7 Posts: 2,642 Chairperson of the Boards
    Eh, who needs OML anyway. I'm already getting more into BSS. I have 4 covers for him. If I can just get a purple cover and two more, I'll be able to level him up to 360 and cause some real havoc!
  • MarvelMan
    MarvelMan Posts: 1,350
    Philly79 wrote:
    solid confirmation would be nice icon_e_biggrin.gif

    Always is, rarely happens.
  • MarvelMan
    MarvelMan Posts: 1,350
    Malcrof wrote:
    Pretty sure the announcement quoted above is official confirmation.. not sure what more you want.. PNX is in both, so no change to her other than only in the cheapies, BSSM to the cheapies.. after CW ends, which coincides with season end. So expect all tokens to update on the normal seasonal schedule.

    But what happens to percentages? Do they stay the same and the total bumps up, or do they drop keeping the total at 10%? That is a pretty big crux to the matter....
  • Malcrof
    Malcrof Posts: 5,971 Chairperson of the Boards
    MarvelMan wrote:
    Malcrof wrote:
    Pretty sure the announcement quoted above is official confirmation.. not sure what more you want.. PNX is in both, so no change to her other than only in the cheapies, BSSM to the cheapies.. after CW ends, which coincides with season end. So expect all tokens to update on the normal seasonal schedule.

    But what happens to percentages? Do they stay the same and the total bumps up, or do they drop keeping the total at 10%? That is a pretty big crux to the matter....

    OP was edited to a different question, my answer no longer applies. Removed it.
  • vudu3
    vudu3 Posts: 940 Critical Contributor
    What's not known yet is if the 5* odds will change in the Classic token. There are two options--

    1. Individual 5* odds will drop to 2.5% so the overall 5* odds remain at 10%
    2. Individual 5* odds will remain at 3.3% so the overall 5* odds will increase to 13.3%

    If it's the first--and more likely--one then anyone hoping to get their hands on OML or Phoenix covers will be better off opening tokens before the change. But if it's the second option then everyone is better off waiting until after the change because there's no downside other than waiting a week.

    EDIT--Dang it. And now Malcrof edited his post so mine is no longer necessary.
  • mindsuckr
    mindsuckr Posts: 154
    Maybe we'll get a new token type, Classic-er. SS/OML can go there, and BSSM/PHX can stay in classic. That way they never have to increase odds above 10%. Then in a few months they can add Classic-est tokens. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
  • Chief270
    Chief270 Posts: 137
    Is anyone actually expecting something different than 10% chance of pulling a purple cover, spread evenly among all 5* the characters in it?
  • FaustianDeal
    FaustianDeal Posts: 760 Critical Contributor
    They have always said that the legendary tokens would remain at 10%. That was stated when OML was introduced, and reiterated when Phoenix was added. I wouldn't hold out hope for any change here. With no confirmation of a policy change, you should just assume the existing policy will continue.

    One other thing to mention:
    I looked at the odds in the classic tokens and, ironically, you have better odds of pulling a Logan or Phoenix from a classic than you do any given 4* character (3.3% for each 5* and only 3.1% for each 4*). Right now you are more likely to get OML than XFW, or Phoenix than JG. I'm sure that crossing that inflection point was noticed, and having the odds in classics drop to 2.5% / 5* is their desired outcome at this moment.
  • udonomefoo
    udonomefoo Posts: 1,630 Chairperson of the Boards
    Chief270 wrote:
    Is anyone actually expecting something different than 10% chance of pulling a purple cover, spread evenly among all 5* the characters in it?

    My thought exactly. When have they ever done anything that would lead one to believe they would increase the overall percentage? When was the last time they changed heroic or event token percentages for the additional 30 4* characters?
  • sinnerjfl
    sinnerjfl Posts: 1,276 Chairperson of the Boards
    You really think they would raise the 10% chance of 5*'s in the classic LT's? icon_lol.gif

    Have a look at all the other tokens and you have your answer.
  • vudu3
    vudu3 Posts: 940 Critical Contributor
    sinnerjfl wrote:
    You really think they would raise the 10% chance of 5*'s in the classic LT's? icon_lol.gif

    Have a look at all the other tokens and you have your answer.

    They increased the draw rate of 3* and 4* characters from heroic tokens multiple times in the past. It happens.
    aesthetocyst wrote:
    Was announced when 5*s were introduced that the initial odds in LTs for 5*s would be 5%, so long as Surfer was the only one. Once a second 5* dropped that would be increased to 10%, there to remain, no matter how many 5*s were added.

    When the LTs were split into Classic and Latest, it was stated that the odds for 5*s in both tokens would always be 10%. The 3 latest 5*s in the Latest tokens, and ALL the other 5*s crammed into 10% in the Classics.

    When legendary tokens launched they said that there would never be a way to purchase them and that they could only be earned by playing the game. Then they started giving away a free legendary token with the purchase of a 40-pack. A couple weeks ago they sent our surveys indicating the possibility of being able to outright buy two legendary tokens per month for $10 or $15. What was said six months ago may no longer apply. Things change.
  • firethorne
    firethorne Posts: 1,505 Chairperson of the Boards
    I wish they would just wish they would keep creating new packs, each with only three 5*s, and let the users select. By continuing to put all of the characters in one, you make it harder and harder with ever shrinking odds. This only further screws over the people who were already screwed over by not getting the covers when only the odds west just poor instead of complete garbage. It's the exact opposite of what it should be.

    As content gets older, it should be easier and easier to obtain. They make it harder and harder. I cannot put into words how misguided some of their development choices are.
  • mindsuckr
    mindsuckr Posts: 154
    I thought I remembered them saying something before about evaluating things as more 5s came out. Guess that's the small hope I'm clinging to.
  • Argon Flame
    Argon Flame Posts: 98 Match Maker
    Statistically you won't even notice the drop in chance of drawing a specific 5*.
    Going from 3.3% to 2.5% is like 8 per 1000 Classic LT draws.
  • firethorne
    firethorne Posts: 1,505 Chairperson of the Boards
    Argon Flame wrote:
    Statistically you won't even notice the drop in chance of drawing a specific 5*.
    Going from 3.3% to 2.5% is like 8 per 1000 Classic LT draws.

    Until they add another, and another, and another, and eventually you end up with a scenario like the Brotherhood tokens, where the draw rate for any particular 4* is 0.1 percent.

    It isn't so much any one drop that is a significant problem, it is the knowledge that that number will forever be going in the wrong direction, and the odds of getting the thing you really want will forever get worse. It's a bad solution, it's lazy development.
  • PeterGibbons316
    PeterGibbons316 Posts: 1,063
    firethorne wrote:
    Argon Flame wrote:
    Statistically you won't even notice the drop in chance of drawing a specific 5*.
    Going from 3.3% to 2.5% is like 8 per 1000 Classic LT draws.

    Until they add another, and another, and another, and eventually you end up with a scenario like the Brotherhood tokens, where the draw rate for any particular 4* is 0.1 percent.

    It isn't so much any one drop that is a significant problem, it is the knowledge that that number will forever be going in the wrong direction, and the odds of getting the thing you really want will forever get worse. It's a bad solution, it's lazy development.
    Exactly. It's already hard to overcome a streak of bad luck, as LTs become more and more diluted it will become next to impossible.
  • ClydeFrog76
    ClydeFrog76 Posts: 1,350 Chairperson of the Boards
    mindsuckr wrote:
    are they working on any other tricks to make things slightly better for us?

    icon_lol.gif

    Good one.

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