Who to Level Next?

djpt05

Hello

Looking for suggestions for the next 3* I should level to go with my Punisher. I don't want to level CMagneto or Spidey because, you know.

Appreciate opinions and reasons for a good 3* companion for Frank.

Thanks!

Unknown

Who else is in your roster? The whole compliment of 3*s?

With my Punisher over 115, I'm looking at bringing my BWGS up to about the same level. I got her 4th purple cover yesterday and in conjunction with her 5 green covers, she's a beast for AOE damage. And I prefer Punisher's red over hers so they work pretty well together.

Unknown

No I don't know. Spidey or c.Mag or BP.

Unknown

I love my punisher ragnarok combo. Much better offensively than the typical hulk punisher but you lose hulks scarecrow effect. BWGS is gonna be losing value soon if characters like BP are gonna be tanky cannons. Still a good cover for the time being but maybe not as good of a long term investment as some others at this time. It would be easier to tell you who not to level rather than who to level.

DO NOT level up
Loki
Daredevil
IM40


Any other 3* will be a reasonable investment IMO.

Unknown

From everything I've read on the boards, you have a lot of viable options, because Punisher fits well into a lot of teams. Maybe it would help to pick a pair of 3* that you like and complement each other well, and then add Punisher as the third team member?

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Psykopathic wrote:

I love my punisher ragnarok combo. Much better offensively than the typical hulk punisher but you lose hulks scarecrow effect. BWGS is gonna be losing value soon if characters like BP are gonna be tanky cannons. Still a good cover for the time being but maybe not as good of a long term investment as some others at this time. It would be easier to tell you who not to level rather than who to level.

DO NOT level up
Loki
Daredevil
IM40


Any other 3* will be a reasonable investment IMO.

Why no DD? His powers take a while to ramp up but he can deal out some pretty beastly damage and steal a whole lot of AP once enough traps are laid. He's also great against Thor/Rag/Wolvie/Juggy or anyone else who rely on red. He's a great compliment to Punisher/Spidey combo if you're into a Marvel Knights thing. Of course he's worthless against Maggia/Hammer drones.

Also if you have a enough yellow covers for IM40, it seems like he'd be great simply to supply the team is a shower of AP. But mine only supplies red and blue at the moment so I'm not totally sure about that.

I had this same question a few days ago when I built up about 40K in iso. I ended up just dividing it between all my 3* heroes to get most of them to lvl 85. I'm afraid to take them any higher until this scaling nonsense gets straightened out. I'm sitting pretty fighting +/- lvl 100-140 enemies in PvE and I'd hate to change that now.

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SUPERTOM wrote:

Psykopathic wrote:

I love my punisher ragnarok combo. Much better offensively than the typical hulk punisher but you lose hulks scarecrow effect. BWGS is gonna be losing value soon if characters like BP are gonna be tanky cannons. Still a good cover for the time being but maybe not as good of a long term investment as some others at this time. It would be easier to tell you who not to level rather than who to level.

DO NOT level up
Loki
Daredevil
IM40


Any other 3* will be a reasonable investment IMO.

Why no DD? His powers take a while to ramp up but he can deal out some pretty beastly damage and steal a whole lot of AP once enough traps are laid. He's also great against Thor/Rag/Wolvie/Juggy or anyone else who rely on red. He's a great compliment to Punisher/Spidey combo if you're into a Marvel Knights thing. Of course he's worthless against Maggia/Hammer drones.

Also if you have a enough yellow covers for IM40, it seems like he'd be great simply to supply the team is a shower of AP. But mine only supplies red and blue at the moment so I'm not totally sure about that.

Daredevil is fine but the OP is just getting into his 3*'s. They need people that are solid core characters. I feel like DD is a cover that wouldn't make my priorities until I had 4-5 other solid 3* covers.


+ nothing he does is reliable.

mags1587

IM40 is a good AP generator at level 3 or 4 yellow. He'd supply Punisher with red and green at level 3. Plus IM40 has high health so he can tank and absorb damage for the rest of your team.

I would level IM40 over DD for sure if those were my 2 choices. I don't like DD's traps at all -- it's way too easy to disarm them and against goons he's useless.

Unknown

I'm with Mags1587 - IM40 is fine and he's still a part of my core lineup. He tanks well, and with Patch, he can tank until Patch is ready to explode (self-stun comes in useful).

I'd still like to know who else is in your roster though.

SUPERTOM wrote:

I had this same question a few days ago when I built up about 40K in iso. I ended up just dividing it between all my 3* heroes to get most of them to lvl 85. I'm afraid to take them any higher until this scaling nonsense gets straightened out. I'm sitting pretty fighting +/- lvl 100-140 enemies in PvE and I'd hate to change that now.

I've got a roster of 3 100+ characters and I'm still fighting at sub-200 levels. Granted, I'm not fighting for all 3 Thor covers, but I'll definitely be getting 2 out of it. Just an FYI.

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mags1587 wrote:

IM40 is a good AP generator at level 3 or 4 yellow. He'd supply Punisher with red and green at level 3. Plus IM40 has high health so he can tank and absorb damage for the rest of your team.

I would level IM40 over DD for sure if those were my 2 choices. I don't like DD's traps at all -- it's way too easy to disarm them and against goons he's useless.

I guess IM40 would work into my punisher rags combo to generate red for rags and green for punisher. ATM the spot is better filled by spidey or the hood or OBW from an offensive standpoint. I guess from a defensive standpoint IM40 kinda makes sense because that's a lot of health to dwindle down between the 3.

Regardless in the OP's position I feel like there's many many better options who aren't so situational.
I find lots of uses for patch / hulk / rags / BP / even some higher 2* like Thor or ares I would take over IM40.

akboyce

I understand the fear for not wanting to dump into Spidey but he still gets my vote. They are color strength BFFs so in you can pair them with anyone and have perfect tile coverage. They are also both Heroes so you can use them in the Hero LRs. It is true Spidey will be nerfed but based on Wolvie and Thor I think they will not Rag him. He will still be good just not omgwtfbbq good.

If you are dead set against Spidey then I vote IM40. He like Spidey is a hero and will help you out in those biweekly Hero LRs. Although GSBW is also a Hero her green and Punisher's green both want your green AP. Punisher's green is so good it would pain me to store up for Widows. If you are not using Widows green then she is just a squishy battery and you could use IM40 for a beefy battery.

Unknown

I'm running 141 Punisher, 120 Hood, 120 Magneto

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akboyce wrote:

If you are dead set against Spidey then I vote IM40. He like Spidey is a hero and will help you out in those biweekly Hero LRs. Although GSBW is also a Hero her green and Punisher's green both want your green AP. Punisher's green is so good it would pain me to store up for Widows. If you are not using Widows green then she is just a squishy battery and you could use IM40 for a beefy battery.

I hadn't thought about the LRs. But by that logic and including villain LRs, only DD, Panther, and Psylocke would never get buffed.

Also, I will often run Punisher and BWGS together (with IM40, oftentimes). I like Punisher's red and black, and BWGS's green and purple. Her purple is amazing for anyone who likes green. I'd use her for that alone.

Phaserhawk

I have been looking at C Mags thinking of the possibilities of what they could to him. We know based on experience that his blue and red will be hit with a set cost, no AP reduction, the question is how high will the set AP be? I'm thinking Blue will be set to 6-9 AP, I'm leaning towards 8, and I think his Red will be 6-8 my gut says 6AP and he will do more damage, but I think 6 minimum. I'm hoping then that they boost Purple's damage to offset the AP increases to blue and red, So if you think you would play C Mags as is but say his blue and red are set at 8 AP, would you still play him, I would, therefore I think he is safe to level. Spiderman, ooo boy, I have no idea how they will funbalance him, he relies so much on web tile creation and his blue and yellow, I don't know where they will go for him, Spiderman I can see you holding off on, but like I said, if you would play C Mags as is but with higher blue and red costs, go ahead and lvl him cuz that's what I think it will end up being.

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Riggy wrote:

akboyce wrote:

If you are dead set against Spidey then I vote IM40. He like Spidey is a hero and will help you out in those biweekly Hero LRs. Although GSBW is also a Hero her green and Punisher's green both want your green AP. Punisher's green is so good it would pain me to store up for Widows. If you are not using Widows green then she is just a squishy battery and you could use IM40 for a beefy battery.

I hadn't thought about the LRs. But by that logic and including villain LRs, only DD, Panther, and Psylocke would never get buffed.

Also, I will often run Punisher and BWGS together (with IM40, oftentimes). I like Punisher's red and black, and BWGS's green and purple. Her purple is amazing for anyone who likes green. I'd use her for that alone.

BWGS pink works on offense. Defense she's worthless. Punisher already has the green attack. Im40 and rags are both gonna be green generators that provide hp for defense when pairing with punisher.

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Phaserhawk wrote:

I have been looking at C Mags thinking of the possibilities of what they could to him. We know based on experience that his blue and red will be hit with a set cost, no AP reduction, the question is how high will the set AP be? I'm thinking Blue will be set to 6-9 AP, I'm leaning towards 8, and I think his Red will be 6-8 my gut says 6AP and he will do more damage, but I think 6 minimum. I'm hoping then that they boost Purple's damage to offset the AP increases to blue and red, So if you think you would play C Mags as is but say his blue and red are set at 8 AP, would you still play him, I would, therefore I think he is safe to level. Spiderman, ooo boy, I have no idea how they will funbalance him, he relies so much on web tile creation and his blue and yellow, I don't know where they will go for him, Spiderman I can see you holding off on, but like I said, if you would play C Mags as is but with higher blue and red costs, go ahead and lvl him cuz that's what I think it will end up being.

You know what they say about assumptions. Offering advice because you assume they will balance him in 1 way when there are 1000's of possibilities is probably not very good advice. He's probably not gonna be that bad but there is 0 way of knowing until it happens.

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Psykopathic wrote:

BWGS pink works on offense. Defense she's worthless. Punisher already has the green attack. Im40 and rags are both gonna be green generators that provide hp for defense when pairing with punisher.

Don't disagree with you about her worth on defense at all. It's easily mitigated if shielding. If I'm not shielding, I'll swap her out for Hulk in the last battle (go for the intimidation factor of a deep health pool) and hope that not too many peeps I hit earlier retaliate.

akboyce

Psykopathic wrote:

Phaserhawk wrote:

I have been looking at C Mags thinking of the possibilities of what they could to him. We know based on experience that his blue and red will be hit with a set cost, no AP reduction, the question is how high will the set AP be? I'm thinking Blue will be set to 6-9 AP, I'm leaning towards 8, and I think his Red will be 6-8 my gut says 6AP and he will do more damage, but I think 6 minimum. I'm hoping then that they boost Purple's damage to offset the AP increases to blue and red, So if you think you would play C Mags as is but say his blue and red are set at 8 AP, would you still play him, I would, therefore I think he is safe to level. Spiderman, ooo boy, I have no idea how they will funbalance him, he relies so much on web tile creation and his blue and yellow, I don't know where they will go for him, Spiderman I can see you holding off on, but like I said, if you would play C Mags as is but with higher blue and red costs, go ahead and lvl him cuz that's what I think it will end up being.

You know what they say about assumptions. Offering advice because you assume they will balance him in 1 way when there are 1000's of possibilities is probably not very good advice. He's probably not gonna be that bad but there is 0 way of knowing until it happens.

Oh man I have to....

http://xkcd.com/1339/

Today's XKCD is super relevant.

Unknown

Forgot about Thor's awesome green generation. Really wishing I hadn't sold him. I'm gonna rebuild 1 of the thor, lazy Thor probably. I'm think my 5/5/3 punisher with a 3/5/5 Thor and a 5/5 rags.


Red - would be purely for ragnarok - it's fairly cheap. Does moderate damage. Generates green.

Yellow- this is only for Thor. Generating green with a little extra damage. Not priority but will become massive with strike tiles and cascades.

Black - Aoe for punisher after strike tiles. Adds attack tile which adds to strike tiles.

Green - rags green is ignored. Punishers will be for early on pumping out tiles. Thor's can be a late game finishing move. With a few tiles it'll be doing 3k/2k/2k damage for reasonable cost.



Pink and blue are dead colors but 4 is more than enough to work around. Also when any member goes down there is always a green and red backup so no AP is ever wasted. This team is very easily ran by the AI with the 1 downside of it may activate rags before punisher on green sometimes. With it's massive health you still aren't walking away easy.

Hulk obviously can hop in place of Thor and if necessary rags.

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akboyce wrote:

Psykopathic wrote:

Phaserhawk wrote:

I have been looking at C Mags thinking of the possibilities of what they could to him. We know based on experience that his blue and red will be hit with a set cost, no AP reduction, the question is how high will the set AP be? I'm thinking Blue will be set to 6-9 AP, I'm leaning towards 8, and I think his Red will be 6-8 my gut says 6AP and he will do more damage, but I think 6 minimum. I'm hoping then that they boost Purple's damage to offset the AP increases to blue and red, So if you think you would play C Mags as is but say his blue and red are set at 8 AP, would you still play him, I would, therefore I think he is safe to level. Spiderman, ooo boy, I have no idea how they will funbalance him, he relies so much on web tile creation and his blue and yellow, I don't know where they will go for him, Spiderman I can see you holding off on, but like I said, if you would play C Mags as is but with higher blue and red costs, go ahead and lvl him cuz that's what I think it will end up being.

You know what they say about assumptions. Offering advice because you assume they will balance him in 1 way when there are 1000's of possibilities is probably not very good advice. He's probably not gonna be that bad but there is 0 way of knowing until it happens.

Oh man I have to....

http://xkcd.com/1339/

Today's XKCD is super relevant.

Lmao.

Phaserhawk

Psykopathic wrote:

Phaserhawk wrote:

I have been looking at C Mags thinking of the possibilities of what they could to him. We know based on experience that his blue and red will be hit with a set cost, no AP reduction, the question is how high will the set AP be? I'm thinking Blue will be set to 6-9 AP, I'm leaning towards 8, and I think his Red will be 6-8 my gut says 6AP and he will do more damage, but I think 6 minimum. I'm hoping then that they boost Purple's damage to offset the AP increases to blue and red, So if you think you would play C Mags as is but say his blue and red are set at 8 AP, would you still play him, I would, therefore I think he is safe to level. Spiderman, ooo boy, I have no idea how they will funbalance him, he relies so much on web tile creation and his blue and yellow, I don't know where they will go for him, Spiderman I can see you holding off on, but like I said, if you would play C Mags as is but with higher blue and red costs, go ahead and lvl him cuz that's what I think it will end up being.

You know what they say about assumptions. Offering advice because you assume they will balance him in 1 way when there are 1000's of possibilities is probably not very good advice. He's probably not gonna be that bad but there is 0 way of knowing until it happens.

Agreed with the assumptions, but also looking at it from a Dev to player mentalitiy. They have said they don't like decreasing AP costs as lvl's go up, so we know Blue and Red are gonna take a hit, judging by what they did to Rags, Thor, Wolvie, etc. your looking at blue and red going to at least 6 AP if not more, I figure they will make blue and red cost what they do at lvl 1 and be a flat rate, as for purple, I'm thinking it will either get a Damage nerf or an AP cost increase or both. I could see him being close to damage on his Purple as Patch is for his Red, which means Purple will cost about 14 AP