Linkster79 wrote: teknofyl wrote: This gets back to the question "What purpose does the 5-star tier serve?"
teknofyl wrote: This gets back to the question "What purpose does the 5-star tier serve?"
rkd80 wrote: I think the only real failure that D3 has done is to add command points to $$ purchases. If we only had data on who owned 5*, I am confident that days after the CP introduction the 5* covers saw a massive spike and continue to do so today. In fact there were two major intervals. 1) The LT exploit 2) The CP => $$ feature. Otherwise the 5* themselves were fine, they represented the elite of the elite and were really something awe inspiring. They were meant to be super rare and obnoxiously powerful characters that one would eventually stumble into.However CPs brought along buyers clubs and that in turn distorted the entire picture. Perhaps D3 did not imagine people getting together and dropping $500 in one swoop, but it happened. Now the game is broken. That was the failure. Although failure in our eyes is probably jaw dropping success in the eyes of Demiurge who most likely see no reason to change this broken system that fills their coffers daily. Of course in time they will realize the folly of their ways as the game once again becomes stagnant and whales will want more and more and more, while middle tier players give up and leave. Oops.
PeterGibbons316 wrote: Jamie Madrox wrote: I know of at least one F2P player with a maxed (and championed) OML and a very usable SS. It's not impossible, you just need to place well in every PVP and PVE, get as much CP as you can for tokens, and have a horseshoe shoved so far up where the sun don't shine that you can spit nails. I don't think you read much beyond the title. With new 5* releases it goes from needing you to be really really lucky, to being impossible.
Jamie Madrox wrote: I know of at least one F2P player with a maxed (and championed) OML and a very usable SS. It's not impossible, you just need to place well in every PVP and PVE, get as much CP as you can for tokens, and have a horseshoe shoved so far up where the sun don't shine that you can spit nails.
Unreallystic wrote: However dot dot dot If you are transitioning the way the game is designed, you most likely have a stable of 2*, a stable of 3*, and before you are working on a 5* 'roster' you have a stable of 4*s at 'some' leveled interval, most likely a couple or few maxed 4s before working on 5s. If that's the case, then you can get a LT a DAY for close to two months, you can EASILY get LTs from the 2*s, most likely you have a large group of 3*s that can be championed, and may even have 4*s...so for all the complaining about "well a new 5* will come out and reduce the %s", fine, get your 5*s now via championing and it won't be an issue. I'm casual, I don't own a single maxed 4 (I soft capped at 209, but do have max covered 4s). I do own a healthy number of maxed 3* and 2*s though. I have never earned an LT in PvP or PvE - I said screw PvE a long time ago, its too much of a time sink along wiht DDQ and PvP, and in PvP, anything more than 1000 is a pipe dream. Yet with Championing being a thing, I've gone from only having 1 SS cover due to days played, to having 7 or 8 5* covers...all from just doing a champion a day. Tha'ts not bragging - its the opposite, if "I" 'Casual Unreall' can get that many covers from championing (and one LT was bought via points), then I'm POSITIVE that you guys who do get 1300 in PvP and can do 3 runs in each PvE node - and have maxed IMHB or RHulks or JG or Icemans - can shoot FAR BEYOND what I've collected, thus this amounts to nothing more than complaining about not being able to progress at 2* speed, into a 5* 'roster' that frankly doesn't truly exist yet. -Unreall * - My own asteriks is that while I'm conceptually fine with it being a long duration to get such OP characters, I am very annoyed that I now have 4 slots I have had to clear/buy with HP for characters that not only ruined my scaling (again, I was soft capped at 209, now I have 4 at 255), but won't be of ANY use for much of anything. Someone said I can use them for PvE, but just using their match dmg is as slow as relying on IF's attack tile to wilt someone down.
Unreallystic wrote: How many 3* are there? Like 40 or 50? ... Yet with Championing being a thing, I've gone from only having 1 SS cover due to days played, to having 7 or 8 5* covers...all from just doing a champion a day.
Malcrof wrote: 5* pulls seem to be spurty.. but the transition is going along well. I have over 1/2 of the 4*s fully covered (but still need millions of iso), so really don't mind getting one i don't need, so i can sell it for 1k iso.. but 5*s, even though i am behind the 10%, they are coming along nicely, and to be honest, faster than they probably should, as i can't put too much iso into them yet. OML 2/2/2, SS 4/1/1, PNX 1/2/0, BSSM 1/0/0
cyineedsn wrote: Malcrof wrote: 5* pulls seem to be spurty.. but the transition is going along well. I have over 1/2 of the 4*s fully covered (but still need millions of iso), so really don't mind getting one i don't need, so i can sell it for 1k iso.. but 5*s, even though i am behind the 10%, they are coming along nicely, and to be honest, faster than they probably should, as i can't put too much iso into them yet. OML 2/2/2, SS 4/1/1, PNX 1/2/0, BSSM 1/0/0 No...please, please don't say it's moving faster than they should. I'm in the same boat as you with lots of 4* fully covered or with 12 covers, and I've managed a 1/1/1 oml and 2/0/0 SS. The 5* rate is just totally random. (Kudos to you on your pulls though)
Jamie Madrox wrote: PeterGibbons316 wrote: Jamie Madrox wrote: I know of at least one F2P player with a maxed (and championed) OML and a very usable SS. It's not impossible, you just need to place well in every PVP and PVE, get as much CP as you can for tokens, and have a horseshoe shoved so far up where the sun don't shine that you can spit nails. I don't think you read much beyond the title. With new 5* releases it goes from needing you to be really really lucky, to being impossible. I guess I should have finished what I was originally going to say. The same player has one other 5* nearly complete, and at least one of each colour for the rest. So yes, it's not likely that the F2P player will ever be competitive again, but it's not impossible.
Unreallystic wrote: Tha'ts not bragging - its the opposite, if "I" 'Casual Unreall' can get that many covers from championing (and one LT was bought via points), then I'm POSITIVE that you guys who do get 1300 in PvP and can do 3 runs in each PvE node - and have maxed IMHB or RHulks or JG or Icemans - can shoot FAR BEYOND what I've collected, thus this amounts to nothing more than complaining about not being able to progress at 2* speed, into a 5* 'roster' that frankly doesn't truly exist yet. -Unreall
Matthew G wrote: I was never around to experience the introduction of the 4*s but I feel like this is similar to that original transition back in the day. Those who were ready to make the transition into 4* territory at their release were able to grow their 4* roster much, much faster than those that were still in the 3* transition. While it was possible to gain a few covers here and there for them either from lucky pulls or from major pushes in events, they wouldn't, couldn't, and shouldn't have been able to keep up with the high tier players. Those saying that they are having a hard time building up their 5* roster while sitting on an under-leveled or soft capped 4* roster are acting like they are ready to be moving into the 5* realm with even relatively moderate speed when compared to whales or top tier players.
Raffoon wrote: What about those that are having a hard time building up their 5* roster, but are hitting every PVP progression, every 4* DP, and half the PVEs? Are they ready?
fickle wrote: I'm wondering if anyone else is considering buying 5* covers with CP?
Matthew G wrote: I was never around to experience the introduction of the 4*s but I feel like this is similar to that original transition back in the day. Those who were ready to make the transition into 4* territory at their release were able to grow their 4* roster much, much faster than those that were still in the 3* transition. While it was possible to gain a few covers here and there for them either from lucky pulls or from major pushes in events, they wouldn't, couldn't, and shouldn't have been able to keep up with the high tier players. Those saying that they are having a hard time building up their 5* roster while sitting on an under-leveled or soft capped 4* roster are acting like they are ready to be moving into the 5* realm with even relatively moderate speed when compared to whales or top tier players. What about those that are having a hard time building up their 5* roster, but are hitting every PVP progression, every 4* DP, and half the PVEs? Are they ready? No one is asking for an easier system to get 5*s, we want a more consistent system. Whether or not you're able to progress and compete shouldn't be determined almost completely by chance.