The 3 Star Balance Project: The Forum Poll *ENDED*

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  • Unknown
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    Mawtful wrote:
    Quick question:

    How are we defining "buff"? A tweak to the character's existing abilities, or partial/full rework of the character?

    Iron-Man, Spider-Man, and Quicksilver all need fairly comprehensive reworks.
    Psylocke and Hulk really only need some numbers nudged in the right direction.

    Either would apply. Buff = Improvement in character functionality.

    I don't really think any of them need full reworks besides Iron Man, personally.
  • Mawtful
    Mawtful Posts: 1,646 Chairperson of the Boards
    Voted Psylocke.
    It was between her and Hulk for a "numbers tweak" buff, and she needs it more.
    I think the others need more comprehensive work in order to fix them - and that's something I still have to believe the devs will stuff up.
  • Unknown
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    Bump for poll visibility.

    Not really surprised by the poll voting so far, it really shows that Iron Man and Spidey are considered really sub par by the player base.
  • TxMoose
    TxMoose Posts: 4,319 Chairperson of the Boards
    Haetron wrote:
    Bump for poll visibility.

    Not really surprised by the poll voting so far, it really shows that Iron Man and Spidey are considered really sub par by the player base.
    there are other sub-par characters, but those 2 are characters that people WANT to be good, but aren't. it sucks that characters made popular by marvel movie franchises can't get a playable character in a marvel match-3 game.
  • Unknown
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    I don't doubt that's part of the issue. I actually don't feel like Spidey is -that- bad, he just plays differently than most people would expect, and it doesn't really "feel" right.

    Iron Man is just straight busted. From the floor to the roof.
  • El Satanno
    El Satanno Posts: 1,005 Chairperson of the Boards
    Thanks for bumping this, so I could cast a vote that will result in a whole lotta nothing being done. Let's be honest: Demiurge is up to their eyeballs planning their 5* tier. I will be sincerely shocked as all hell if anything at all is done with anything below 4*.

    That being said, Spidey needs help and it is criminal that he sits the way he does. Spider-Man is arguably the tent-pole character for the entire Marvel universe. For him to reside somewhere at the low middle of the pack is just incomprehensible. Boost Spidey. Make him good. No, make him great.
  • LegendReborn
    LegendReborn Posts: 301
    I'm a bit impressed to see Colossus not make the list. I know I've used both Iron Man and Spider Man much more than Colossus once I got a solid number of 3*s covered.
  • Lidolas
    Lidolas Posts: 500
    icon_ironman.png is the only real answer. His only use is to be an undercovered battery. That's it. And that's just plain wrong.
  • Unknown
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    LegendReborn wrote:
    I'm a bit impressed to see Colossus not make the list. I know I've used both Iron Man and Spider Man much more than Colossus once I got a solid number of 3*s covered.

    Colossus was really close, he just wasn't Top (or in this case, more accurately, bottom) 5.

    Im going off memory, but I think he tied with Doc Ock for 6th place.
  • ronin_san
    ronin_san Posts: 980 Critical Contributor
    Haetron wrote:
    LegendReborn wrote:
    I'm a bit impressed to see Colossus not make the list. I know I've used both Iron Man and Spider Man much more than Colossus once I got a solid number of 3*s covered.

    Colossus was really close, he just wasn't Top (or in this case, more accurately, bottom) 5.

    Im going off memory, but I think he tied with Doc Ock for 6th place.

    He's not bad. He just has a worthless black, in the event teammates are dead.

    His red could do a tad more damage, frankly, since it costs 10 yellow AP to make it deal worthwhile damage.
  • udonomefoo
    udonomefoo Posts: 1,630 Chairperson of the Boards
    Spidey is the one I'd most like to see buffed, but had to vote IM because the question wasn't about who I wanted to see buffed the most but who "needed" it the most. As others have said, any character where adding covers makes them worse is busted.
  • Marc_Spector
    Marc_Spector Posts: 628 Critical Contributor
    udonomefoo wrote:
    Spidey is the one I'd most like to see buffed, but had to vote IM because the question wasn't about who I wanted to see buffed the most but who "needed" it the most. As others have said, any character where adding covers makes them worse is busted.

    Ditto. It's a tough choice, but IM40 needs it way more. Spidey's still quite usable as a niche defensive character in PVE/Gauntlet, especially when buffed... but IM40's use as a battery only is just embarrassing.
  • Unknown
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    It would normally baffle me to see Spidey outpacing Iron Man so much, because Iron Man is so much more fundamentally broken, but at the same time, Spidey's always been a more popular character that more is expected from.

    I still think a way to appease the "Lazy up 1 Star Spidey" crowd would be to add an effect to his yellow that if the team has X Red AP, Spidey throws in a kick for good measure and add damage.

    And that sweet, sweet, web swing animation.

    Make his Purple an Active/Passive like doom, where you can pop his protect tiles for crits, to capitalize on how Spidey exploits his spidey sense when fighting, and he would easily be able to switch from support to offense rolls.

    Iron Man... there's a lot of different things that could be done with him, and almost anything would be an improvement.
  • Unknown
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    Last shameless bump, because the poll closes in 24 hours.
  • BlackSheep101
    BlackSheep101 Posts: 2,025 Chairperson of the Boards
    IM40 has abilities that are completely out of scale with the current metagame. Everything costs too much and does less damage than comparably costed abilities in the same colors. Something that costs 20 AP plus 3 from every other color should be world-ending.
  • Punisher5784
    Punisher5784 Posts: 3,845 Chairperson of the Boards
    BlackSheep101 wrote:
    IM40 has abilities that are completely out of scale with the current metagame. Everything costs too much and does less damage than comparably costed abilities in the same colors. Something that costs 20 AP plus 3 from every other color should be world-ending.

    Um it destroys 3 basic tiles.. that have the chance to do crazy cascades 1% of the time! It's worth the extra 3 additional AP of every color on top of the 20 Blue AP! Don't forget the stun! icon_lol.gif
  • Unknown
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    Punisher5784 wrote:
    BlackSheep101 wrote:
    IM40 has abilities that are completely out of scale with the current metagame. Everything costs too much and does less damage than comparably costed abilities in the same colors. Something that costs 20 AP plus 3 from every other color should be world-ending.

    Um it destroys 3 basic tiles.. that have the chance to do crazy cascades 1% of the time! It's worth the extra 3 additional AP of every color on top of the 20 Blue AP! Don't forget the stun! icon_lol.gif

    Man, I just got his blue to 5 covers and I was so DISSAPOINTED that he still "craters" only 3 basic tiles. That AP cost should be a board wipe ala max Iron Hammer from Modern mags.
  • ronin_san
    ronin_san Posts: 980 Critical Contributor
    Haetron wrote:
    Punisher5784 wrote:
    BlackSheep101 wrote:
    IM40 has abilities that are completely out of scale with the current metagame. Everything costs too much and does less damage than comparably costed abilities in the same colors. Something that costs 20 AP plus 3 from every other color should be world-ending.

    Um it destroys 3 basic tiles.. that have the chance to do crazy cascades 1% of the time! It's worth the extra 3 additional AP of every color on top of the 20 Blue AP! Don't forget the stun! icon_lol.gif

    Man, I just got his blue to 5 covers and I was so DISSAPOINTED that he still "craters" only 3 basic tiles. That AP cost should be a board wipe ala max Iron Hammer from Modern mags.


    Yeah. Beast destroys a HECK of a lot more tiles, for way, way less AP spent. To be fair, I consider it a 9AP cost to do, because free blue timer tiles ala Scarlet Witch, Daredevil's recurring Blue, or a wanton Loki timer tile. Any of these make Beast's green do the extra nasty.
  • Marvelfamily
    Marvelfamily Posts: 208
    IM40.

    Mine is 5/4/4, yellow on 4 now since the weekend.

    Blue needs too much AP. 14 or 16 AP would make sense.

    Yellow now costs more than on lvl 3, why? If I have the luck to get him that far, why do I have to work on more AP? :/

    The extra AP cost should be taken away.

    But I like him. On a combo with OBW and Thor (Marvel now) he's great to use.
  • Unknown
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    Yeah, Im fully voicing my bias here, but Iron Man is leagues behind these other 4 characters. I would say Im surprised Spidey is winning the poll, but I'm not. Despite the fact he's "Functioning" he was a top vote getter in the written poll as well, and went neck and neck with Iron Man for the top vote. I figured by forcing people into one choice, it might cause a swing for one or the other, but seeing them still relatively close convinces me there's a consensus these two characters underperform their expectations from the player base.

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