A simple question to D3 regarding 2* essentials

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  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    Master025 wrote:
    Non-goons max level 190-200, still really high for a level 90 roster, 1 shotting my characters with 1 ability. What's your max level? Of course i'm not going to see lvl300+ with my current roster, that would be insane.
    In sub 2, Ares started at lv278. This is insane no matter WHAT your roster is...
  • ZootSax
    ZootSax Posts: 1,819 Chairperson of the Boards
    Master025 wrote:
    simonsez wrote:
    Master025 wrote:
    Scaling benefit really? Are you sure? My roster is full of level 90 characters and sometimes i'm getting level 250+ enemies
    You didn't say, but I KNOW you're talking about goons. They could be level 1000, and it wouldn't matter. It'd just make the node more tedious. Get back to me when you see a lv300+ Fist/Blade/Daken

    Non-goons max level 190-200, still really high for a level 90 roster, 1 shotting my characters with 1 ability. What's your max level? Of course i'm not going to see lvl300+ with my current roster, that would be insane.

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but with a maxed 2* roster you'll see 300+, non-goon nodes in the third sub of Gauntlet & Simulator: Hard pretty much every time they run those events. It used to be a LOT more frequent in the last 3-6 hours of a sub in other events, too, before they went away from 3hr refreshes, but now the community scaling changes during an event are a shadow of what they used to be (my first level 395, non-goon node actually happened in a Heroic when my second highest character was 1* Iron Man, if you can believe that--my highest was an ~level 70 MNThor).

    That said, scaling in its current form does appear to really favor people who max-cover, under-level 3*'s, so the people who max their 3* & 4* rosters do have a legitimate gripe on this---some of them just tend to lump the under-leveled 3* crowd with true 2* players, which isn't really the same, at all, particularly when it comes to the tools at their disposal.
  • optimus2861
    optimus2861 Posts: 1,233 Chairperson of the Boards
    SlamDunc wrote:
    Not that they care to, but the way they should be doing it is not requiring a star rating or specific character but someone from a team in the Marvel universe.

    Guardian of the galaxy required
    Avenger required
    X-Men character required

    that way pretty much everyone is included and we don't need to keep throwing away ISO on standard tokens hoping to get a single cover for x character, because a 2* requirement is basically all that promotes.
    Unfortunately your idea of a broad base of essentials wouldn't drive token sales, which they've admitted more than once are a substantial revenue source.
  • generalTsobot
    generalTsobot Posts: 65 Match Maker
    Anyone else notice that you can use either the 2 or 3 star Cap in the essential node in Scotland Yard? Was this a stealth change?
  • PuceMoose
    PuceMoose Posts: 1,445 Chairperson of the Boards
    generalTsobot wrote:
    Anyone else notice that you can use either the 2 or 3 star Cap in the essential node in Scotland Yard? Was this a stealth change?

    Huh, good catch - I didn't even bothering entering the fight since I don't have 2* Cap.
  • Kiamodo
    Kiamodo Posts: 423 Mover and Shaker
    generalTsobot wrote:
    Anyone else notice that you can use either the 2 or 3 star Cap in the essential node in Scotland Yard? Was this a stealth change?




    Yep just noticed it! Awesome!
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    generalTsobot wrote:
    Anyone else notice that you can use either the 2 or 3 star Cap in the essential node in Scotland Yard? Was this a stealth change?
    I'd bet it was not a stealth change, since in another thread angry about this someone added in to complain about how D3 said they would make 2*s and their gold 3* counterpart interchangable but they assumed that the thread getting angry about a 2* essential was infallible and no way, these guys know exactly what they're talking about.

    just seems that people like to jump on the Angsty/edgy "imbeingtakenadvantageof" band wangon so they don't even check to see.

    I do not have 2* cap but I do have a 13 cover 3* cap and I entered the node to make sure and was pleased that I could use him so to see these threads where only maybe 4 people actually realized that they could use their 3* instead is a little funny.


    I did notice that during Ultron rounds, the essential character nodes had forgone the specific version, and it was simply Captain America, or Black Widow, and I was able to use either my 2* OBW or 3* GSBW, maybe a little more digression to enable this type of thing during these PVEs would be improve the playerbase's clarity of what each essential node is. Or Alternatively I had seen a person or two mention having a specific team being the essential node, Such as an X-men, or Avengers, or guardians of the Galaxy. Probably would almost be like the Keywords in Heroclix if it went that far.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    No matter what way u look at it , one thing is way too obvious .
    We all are Greedy .
    Yea from the game devp. to us players .
    they want more crowd to play their game for sure , more money for them in that ,and as long as the majority of the time the game keeps on attracting new players , they're good , but how achieve that ,well , frankly , it's up to them to figure it out , and looking how long this game have been running and not losing too many players but in fact gaining more ,that says to them , they're on the right tracks.
    Now , comes the players greediness part ,which is normal and expected , we want every thing the game have to offer ,and if it is free the better ,i hold a 42 roster now , 6-8 3 stars well on their way to becoming a full 166 , and 6 maybe 2 stars and a lonely 1 star would have i loved to keep each cover i got ? , ofc , and i mean all of them , but the sad fact is that we must here make choices , whom to let go and whom to keep ,which in itself defies our natural love for hording stuff ,why do we all want to get that certain 3 star hero to level 166 ? ,why not just to level 165? , easy , we get a nice satisfaction boost to our psyche from completions , not because a 166 is 1 level tougher than 165 .

    Lots of new comer players end up with a good starting 2 star heros , and when thy start thinking seriously to go the next step <3 stars> , they have to face the same thing , whom to keep and who goes , and if by luck chance or great design they end up with a boosted for 1 lousy event or nod hero , as a vet. in this game i wouldn't have really expect to hold it against them .
    it is a bad funny thing to see vet.s complaining about that , so what if u miss out on a single nod . that cover will never be offered again in the game ? ,as far as i know ,there is no limited edition heros in this game , as long as u keep playing and getting tokens , u have a chance .

    So , am gonna stop rambling nonsense now and say this , D3 is doing an ok job , vets who get a lil upset over such a trivial thing , get ur greed in check , new comers who gets lucky with that boosted something , hurrah ,grats ,was a nice luck roll for u , the rest of us , better luck next event or week .

    Check ur greed , be happy for ur fellow gamers , and try to enjoy the game .
  • dr tinykittylove
    dr tinykittylove Posts: 1,459 Chairperson of the Boards
    japhle wrote:
    generalTsobot wrote:
    Anyone else notice that you can use either the 2 or 3 star Cap in the essential node in Scotland Yard? Was this a stealth change?
    I'd bet it was not a stealth change, since in another thread angry about this someone added in to complain about how D3 said they would make 2*s and their gold 3* counterpart interchangable but they assumed that the thread getting angry about a 2* essential was infallible and no way, these guys know exactly what they're talking about.

    just seems that people like to jump on the Angsty/edgy "imbeingtakenadvantageof" band wangon so they don't even check to see.

    I do not have 2* cap but I do have a 13 cover 3* cap and I entered the node to make sure and was pleased that I could use him so to see these threads where only maybe 4 people actually realized that they could use their 3* instead is a little funny.

    I didn't comment on the topic because I have 2* Cap. LCap can be used in Scotland Yard. He was locked out in previous subs because 2* Cap was essential. I checked.
  • sinnerjfl
    sinnerjfl Posts: 1,276 Chairperson of the Boards
    japhle wrote:
    I'd bet it was not a stealth change, since in another thread angry about this someone added in to complain about how D3 said they would make 2*s and their gold 3* counterpart interchangable but they assumed that the thread getting angry about a 2* essential was infallible and no way, these guys know exactly what they're talking about.

    just seems that people like to jump on the Angsty/edgy "imbeingtakenadvantageof" band wangon so they don't even check to see.

    You could not use star.pngstar.pngstar.png Cap in the first two subs and was forced to use the star.pngstar.png version. Either it's a stealth change or a really silly way to implement whatever they said about gold versions being interchangeable.
  • DrNitroman
    DrNitroman Posts: 966 Critical Contributor
    sinnerjfl wrote:
    You could not use star.pngstar.pngstar.png Cap in the first two subs and was forced to use the star.pngstar.png version. Either it's a stealth change or a really silly way to implement whatever they said about gold versions being interchangeable.
    I didn't notice this change immediately, an alliance fellow pointed this for me.
    I'd tend to think that it's a stealth change or rather a stealth correction. 2* and 3* Cap should have been interchangeable since the start because it's the spirit of the characters with common and gold versions. Well, devs said it should be this way.

    So I'm glad to see this correction, it's a positive one and it's consistent with what we were told before.
    (And I'm OK to assume it was an error since the start and not a silly experiment icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif )
  • Mawtful
    Mawtful Posts: 1,646 Chairperson of the Boards
    Nope. Back to 2* only in the final sub...

    "Developers" implies competency in coding, perhaps we should refer to demiurge staff as "warm bodies" or "air breathers"?
  • DrNitroman
    DrNitroman Posts: 966 Critical Contributor
    Mawtful wrote:
    Nope. Back to 2* only in the final sub...
    Oh, Really? It's ... disappointing to say the least. icon_e_sad.gif
  • Dauthi
    Dauthi Posts: 995 Critical Contributor
    Yeah, it appears that they intentionally created this major change with no warning or response as to why. As it stands you either cough up the HP for the slots so you can compete in PVE, or don't and give up being competitive. The 2* characters taking these slots do not provide anything to veteran rosters, so this is a direct cash grab aimed at competitive players.

    D3 states that roster slots are a "top issue" in this video commentary about the issue, around 4 minutes in. I just don't understand why they would state that it is an issue then make it worse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6FSezFt5as

    Can we get a fix for rosters slots please? It would at least make keeping useless characters tolerable depending on how generous the fix is.
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2015
    2/3/4* essentials directly contradicts their "you don't need everyone" model becoming a "must have then all" model. Roster pricing must be addressed with this change
  • Pongie
    Pongie Posts: 1,412 Chairperson of the Boards
    Dauthi wrote:
    Go to the current Alliance PVE rankings and check out the #1 spot Hatsune Miku. There are some great examples there, but check out Seekie especially (scroll ALL the way through the roster). This roster is a great example of someone manipulating this issue to their advantage. The only reason everyone doesn't do this is because it makes you're roster useless in PVP. Note that this is a commander from a #1 alliance.

    That's an eye opener. No need for ISO, just HPs for more slots. Probably wouldn't even need health packs too with all the duplicates at low levels that heal to full alot quicker.
  • DrNitroman
    DrNitroman Posts: 966 Critical Contributor
    fmftint wrote:
    2/3/4* essentials directly contradicts their "you don't need everyone" model becoming a "must have then all" model. Roster pricing must be addressed with this change

    I totally agree with you. I can deal with changes but I'd really wish that the devs were clear about their intentions for the game. And as I'm lazy, I'm going to quote myself from another thread! icon_redface.gif
    http://www.d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29387&p=355381#p355381
    DrNitroman wrote:
    What I don't like it's that devs aren't clear about their own vision of the game (the vision that should be reflected by the rules).

    I mean, when asked about roster cost issue, they replied more or less that it was not an issue because:
    1. the flow of HP has increased (DDQ).
    2. they wanted that the players had to make choices about who to keep in their roster
    I understood the point 1., they have to monetize the game, they want us to spend on roster slots, fair enough. But with the point 2. they suggested that we didn't need to have all the same roster and only the most hardcore collector gamer would have to buy a spot for each character. Now, this new 4*/3*/2* essentials thing in PvE says another philosophy: if you want to do well (be competitve) in PvE you have to keep every character.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Yah this is really not cool. The weirdness of the 2* cap requirement being ok to use 3* for one random sub? And now doing it again with Thor in the latest PVE? Can someone from the devs please comment? I've sold off 2* cap, Daken and Thor once I got the 3* versions up to speed a bit. Is this a running thing now? Do I need to recollect them all if I want to play these nodes going forward? Can someone at D3 please enlighten us?

    If that's the case I agree it totally goes against the idea that you don't need to "collect them all." The only 2*'s I've kept around are Black Widow, Ares, Storm & Magneto, and those are mostly to use in DDQ and random times they are buffed. They're so easy to get with normal tokens and PVP but I'd rather not waste roster slots (HP$$$) and iso on them.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Am I the only one seeing 3*Mag as a "pseudo-essential" in the current PvE?

    I tried to switch him out for my (better covered) 2* Mag, but it won't allow me to?

    DBC
  • Malcrof
    Malcrof Posts: 5,971 Chairperson of the Boards
    Drummerboycroy wrote:
    Am I the only one seeing 3*Mag as a "pseudo-essential" in the current PvE?

    I tried to switch him out for my (better covered) 2* Mag, but it won't allow me to?

    DBC

    Most of my roster is locked out of this PVE, no clue why

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