Another middle finger to the vets...

spccrain

My question is simple. Will it cost the same to level a 3* to 166 and the bulk of the cost will be after the "discount line" or will the overall cost be lower? If it's the former then anyone who leveled their characters above the "discount line" will have to pay extra to raise them to 166 which would be unfair. But if the overall cost of bringing a char up to 166 is lowered then I suppose it's a good thing in the long run. Anyone have a clear answer on this?

Arondite

Mawtful wrote:

If you honestly believe that, OP, you should delete your account and start again.

True, that way he could take advantage of all these benefits.

Lidolas

My game play is in no way affected by other people being able to level up characters cheaper now than before. Because I am now able to level up characters cheaper as well. I have 95% of my 3*s above 100 already, but this change still doesn't bother me. Why? There will always be more 3*s to get and level. It will be nice that they will now have a less expensive path to 100. This change benefits everyone!

Wonko33

I don't get the refund stuff, it would be nice if they did this though

Let's say you spend 50k iso in the old system, just put the character where he would be with 50k iso in the new leveling table. No refunds, nobody gets screwed since they said it would be the same to max the character no?

OnesOwnGrief

The only thing I could care to want is an ISO kickback if they do indeed lower the cost of ISO to level to 166/270. That way I can level more characters to try out new combinations. That's not gonna happen while I still have characters to level up to a usable level.

Eddiemon

shade_tree wrote:

Arondite wrote:

The fact is, you bought the game (leveled your heroes) at the original price, so you felt the value was right for the payout before. If it's getting even better now, you certainly don't deserve a refund for that.

+1 I was typing the same thing when you posted. The easier leveling for new players doesn't detract from the fun I've had playing my roster.

I'd add to that the fun I am going to have by levelling the tail of my roster which means I have more powerful featured characters to use in future, and it may actually be worth using the featured characters instead of my max level guys.

GTannen73

The price drop argument has already been well made in this thread, so I'll come at it another way:

If "compensation" for Iso spent is due, where does it end? You used your Iso to level up your characters to improve your performance. I've had it happen numerous times in PvP, and I know many others have as well, where I'd win a match to reach the next progression award, only to not receive it because I was attacked and lost points during that match. Looking at the retal nodes, I was hit by a considerably stronger team almost every time. Had you not spent your Iso to improve your team, you might not have beaten mine and cost me that progression award, so if you're going to be compensated for Iso you spent, shouldn't I also be given that award I was unable to reach because you spent your Iso? Of course not. That's just entitlement bullkitty.

Also, consider that they expect R75 to drop in early to mid May, which means we've been notified several weeks in advance. You can choose to keep leveling as normal, or hoard your Iso and wait for the price drop, but either way, you're making an informed decision. Now, if they don't post an in-game announcement or do it just a day or two before R75 drops, then non-forumites have a legitimate beef*. But us? Nah.

* My alliance doesn't, because I notified them as soon as I read about it, so that they can make informed decisions too.

Pylgrim

Firebat86 wrote:

So I'm at day 536, 52 roster slots, many two stars fully level'ed/covered since I played before 3* were the meta... And tons of 3* covered/leveled. Now all of a sudden we're making it easier to level up by reducing ISO costs and there will be no retroactive reimbursement for ANY of the ISO spent? How is that fair? With as big of an iso hole we're in, even if you gave us back the difference we're still gonna need more...

D3 is making it harder and harder to stick with em...

Someone please tell me they've heard otherwise...

You are in luck, OP! I made a thread just for you: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27463

MaskedMan

"You pays you money and you takes you chances."

The world isn't fair, when you spend money make sure you are happy with what you are purchasing at that time. Don't complain later, when prices unexpectedly drop, that you are retroactively unhappy. This goes for everything from game purchases and it goes for buying houses. Make you peace at the cash register and don't look back.

Unknown

I agree with all posts saying that a refund is not warranted at all but I think D3 could gain a lot of good will/morale boost if they include a gift of 5,000-10,000 ISO to all players on the day of lower cost with a statement that said something like, "We lowered the cost to level up your charachters; Here is some ISO so you can get a few levels on your favorite!" It would be like a nice gesture for vets without being a refund and an aid to new players. But I'm sure people would whine about free ISO too.

Unknown

I bought PS3 games couple of months ago and now they have the audacity to reduce its price. I should demand reimbursement as well.

OnesOwnGrief

ExTransporter wrote:

I agree with all posts saying that a refund is not warranted at all but I think D3 could gain a lot of good will/morale boost if they include a gift of 5,000-10,000 ISO to all players on the day of lower cost with a statement that said something like, "We lowered the cost to level up your charachters; Here is some ISO so you can get a few levels on your favorite!" It would be like a nice gesture for vets without being a refund and an aid to new players. But I'm sure people would whine about free ISO too.

5-10k is actually a really small pittance. You can gain that from DDQ in less than 4 days time. That would also probably gain you maybe the first 25 levels at the most. Level 65 3 stars would need more than that to definitely be usable. After the 290 featured buff, I think you need to be around 93-96ish for them to even be level 166 in PvP. Actually, I think I might have just stumbled up to what point they may lower the ISO cost to...

rbdragon

I don't feel we need an refund just because they decided to reconfigure how much it costs to level (and the total will be less since Will said no level will have an increase).

Having said that - if they wanted to give us a gift of "X" /day played, I don't think I'd complain

Tannen

Please disregard my post. I was using outdated information.

Cheers.

Arondite

Tannen wrote:

We don't even know _how_ the iso costs will change. Consider the following example, in which we have characters in a fictitious game that have a maximum level of 10...

Current ISO to 10:
1=100, 2=200, 3=400, 4=650, 5=950, 6=1200, 7=1500, 8=2000, 9=2500, 10=3000.
Total = 12500

Option 1 - They change the ISO to be linear and less.
1=100, 2=150, 3=200, 4=250, 5=300, 6=350, 7=400, 8=450, 9=500, 10=550.
Total = 3250 iso difference = 9250.

Option 2 - They change the ISO so that earlier levels are faster to get, but leave the overall iso to be the same.
1=100, 2=150, 3=250, 4=400, 5=600, 6=1000, 7=1500 8=2000, 9=2750, 10=3750.
Total = 12500, iso difference = 0.

There are probably other ways they could change the iso levelling, but for now let's just concentrate on the 2 options above.

If they choose to do option 1, then yes, all the vets will have overspent on their characters, however, levelling gets easier for everyone and vets can probably insta-max a few characters in their roster. If you're in the middle of levelling your characters, you'll either be given max level, assuming that you'd spent enough, or sit at the current level and proceed with the new iso scheme.

If they choose option 2, the vets that have levelled to 10 have already spent the correct amount of iso to get to 10, so they don't need a refund. The newbies can gain lower levels quicker, the higher levels are more expensive, but not until you pass a change over point, which I assume will be around the top 75% of the levelling process (in the above example, it's at 7/8). If you've spent iso, this option is interesting, as if you're below the changeover point and they give you the level that you should be at given your iso spent, you'll pretty much always go upwards. If however, they leave you where you are, you're worse off, as now the iso costs have been pushed to the last few levels, however, you'll believe that you're levelling faster (if you're over the change-over point and then it's pretty much reversed).

Either way we don't know how they're changing the process, so chill, douse your pitchforks and wait for any details, because at current, we know next to nothing about how they're going to change it other than really vague details (and if I've missed an announcement, then please, disregard the above and point me at it, cos I want to know more)

Cheers.

They've confirmed that the earlier levels will be cheaper with later levels not rising or falling, essentially making the overall cost slightly less. So for example

1=30, 2=50, 3=80, 4=150, 5=220, 6=300, 7=600, 8=1500, 9=2500, 10=3000.
Total = 8.430

Tannen

Fair enough. Can you please link me the post/thread that it was confirmed in?

I've obviously missed it and I'd like to look through it myself.

Cheers.

Eddiemon

MaskedMan wrote:

"You pays you money and you takes you chances."

The world isn't fair, when you spend money make sure you are happy with what you are purchasing at that time. Don't complain later, when prices unexpectedly drop, that you are retroactively unhappy. This goes for everything from game purchases and it goes for buying houses. Make you peace at the cash register and don't look back.

Whenever I upgrade my computer I make sure not to look at any literature for at least 6 months for exactly this reason. New stuff will be released. Prices for older stuff will fall. I've seen people getting enraged and depressed because their top of the line graphics card has been superceded and as an added insult is now cheaper as a result.

Decide on what a thing is worth to you at the time and pay the price or don't. But all this 'compensation' talk because the future happened just show a lack of understanding of reality.

The walkman was replaced with the ipod and people didn't get compensation. Then the iphone made the ipod redundant and people didn't get compensation. They changed the interface on the iphone and people who had older peripherals didn't get compensation. And so on....

Unknown

Arondite wrote:

Firebat86 wrote:

So I'm at day 536, 52 roster slots, many two stars fully level'ed/covered since I played before 3* were the meta... And tons of 3* covered/leveled. Now all of a sudden we're making it easier to level up by reducing ISO costs and there will be no retroactive reimbursement for ANY of the ISO spent? How is that fair? With as big of an iso hole we're in, even if you gave us back the difference we're still gonna need more...

D3 is making it harder and harder to stick with em...

Someone please tell me they've heard otherwise...

This is like, the only change that I feel complaining about is kind of silly.

Do you gripe or get mad when the price of a physical good goes down with age, particularly if it's one that you continually purchase in the future?

Imagine that tomorrow all video games go from ~65.95 for New Releases (3 Star Heroes) to 44.95 for New Releases (3 Star Heroes). More and less expensive games drop as well, but just as new releases are the cornerstone of the videogame market, 3 Stars appear to be the cornerstone of our game so we will focus on this.

You will directly benefit from this change if you continue to purchase these games going forward (read, if you continue to play MPQ). Sure, the same games will cost newer players less, but that also doesn't account for all the benefit you've already wrought from those games (heroes). Even if you hadn't gained any benefit from it, hey, you will going forward so it's all good, and it's not like it actually takes away from what you've already done. It's not like your heroes will suddenly be unleveled because of this.

The fact is, you bought the game (leveled your heroes) at the original price, so you felt the value was right for the payout before. If it's getting even better now, you certainly don't deserve a refund for that.

Seems to me you're too focused on relative progress to notice the boon to absolute progress this provides. I mean, this is essentially like being mad that DPD gives 3 stars / iso so easily when you had to work so hard to get them in the past.

To be fair, they did reimburse for alliance slots.

If they don't want to get requests like this one, they should never have set that standard.

Pylgrim

onimus wrote:

Arondite wrote:

Firebat86 wrote:

So I'm at day 536, 52 roster slots, many two stars fully level'ed/covered since I played before 3* were the meta... And tons of 3* covered/leveled. Now all of a sudden we're making it easier to level up by reducing ISO costs and there will be no retroactive reimbursement for ANY of the ISO spent? How is that fair? With as big of an iso hole we're in, even if you gave us back the difference we're still gonna need more...

D3 is making it harder and harder to stick with em...

Someone please tell me they've heard otherwise...

This is like, the only change that I feel complaining about is kind of silly.

Do you gripe or get mad when the price of a physical good goes down with age, particularly if it's one that you continually purchase in the future?

Imagine that tomorrow all video games go from ~65.95 for New Releases (3 Star Heroes) to 44.95 for New Releases (3 Star Heroes). More and less expensive games drop as well, but just as new releases are the cornerstone of the videogame market, 3 Stars appear to be the cornerstone of our game so we will focus on this.

You will directly benefit from this change if you continue to purchase these games going forward (read, if you continue to play MPQ). Sure, the same games will cost newer players less, but that also doesn't account for all the benefit you've already wrought from those games (heroes). Even if you hadn't gained any benefit from it, hey, you will going forward so it's all good, and it's not like it actually takes away from what you've already done. It's not like your heroes will suddenly be unleveled because of this.

The fact is, you bought the game (leveled your heroes) at the original price, so you felt the value was right for the payout before. If it's getting even better now, you certainly don't deserve a refund for that.

Seems to me you're too focused on relative progress to notice the boon to absolute progress this provides. I mean, this is essentially like being mad that DPD gives 3 stars / iso so easily when you had to work so hard to get them in the past.

To be fair, they did reimburse for alliance slots.

If they don't want to get requests like this one, they should never have set that standard.

Back when I was learning English, the idiom "no good deed goes unpunished" confused me a lot. It's no longer the case.

Stax the Foyer

Tannen wrote:

Fair enough. Can you please link me the post/thread that it was confirmed in?

I've obviously missed it and I'd like to look through it myself.

Cheers.

They updated the original announcement post to clarify.