The MMR change during a holiday weekend is a huge **** move

Infrared

A) Vets and newbies are matched separately (MMR based on roster)
Vets and newbies are bracketed separately (death brackets for vets, fluffy brackets for newbies)
C) Vets and newbies are given the same rewards

At least one of the above needs to change.

Azoic

Listen to your own advice Arondite. We have had maybe one slice that sniping was even possible yet, so you can't say it is easier. And if it is as bad as you vets say, you won't climb into top100 at all, since be clawing all over each other. Further, you will be buying craploads of healthpacks to do so. And your season scores will plummet as you likely won't reach 300 pts. That is if it is as bad as all the posts proclaim. Everyone saying 70+ pts is a nightmate, and hit constantly at 300.

So yah, if posts are accurate, sniping will be left to ppl not caring about season or progression rewards, and even then probably not be successful unless hey are lucky enough to nab a fully fresh bracket in the last hour.

Unknown

Azoic wrote:

Listen to your own advice Arondite. We have had maybe one slice that sniping was even possible yet, so you can't say it is easier. And if it is as bad as you vets say, you won't climb into top100 at all, since be clawing all over each other. Further, you will be buying craploads of healthpacks to do so. And your season scores will plummet as you likely won't reach 300 pts. That is if it is as bad as all the posts proclaim. Everyone saying 70+ pts is a nightmate, and hit constantly at 300.

So yah, if posts are accurate, sniping will be left to ppl not caring about season or progression rewards, and even then probably not be successful unless hey are lucky enough to nab a fully fresh bracket in the last hour.

Seriously, you are wrong, there's nothing wrong with being new to the game and not knowing certain things, you seem to not know what sniping is or how it works, so every reference you make to sniping is wrong by default.

It's fine to have an opinion, but your opinion is less informed than that of people who have been playing the game since day one or close to that, just because you haven't been exposed to high end play and haven't bothered to read the many guides on this very forum.

The issue with current changes is that it basically negates months of progress made and hundreds (thousands for some) dollars spent by some players, I understand your personal excitement at being able to reach higher rewards, but the way it's been implemented is completely broken, to the point that the game is borderline unplayable for many vets.

This may make you happy or indifferent, and that's fine, but how you feel is irrelevant when you are factually and logically wrong in your arguments. Due to ignorance.

Unknown

I am getting slightly worried that I may have picked the worst time to lvl my first two characters to 166... Ah well, we will see what happens when I have time to play tonight.

Phillipes

Azoic wrote:

Listen to your own advice Arondite. We have had maybe one slice that sniping was even possible yet, so you can't say it is easier. And if it is as bad as you vets say, you won't climb into top100 at all, since be clawing all over each other. Further, you will be buying craploads of healthpacks to do so. And your season scores will plummet as you likely won't reach 300 pts. That is if it is as bad as all the posts proclaim. Everyone saying 70+ pts is a nightmate, and hit constantly at 300.

So yah, if posts are accurate, sniping will be left to ppl not caring about season or progression rewards, and even then probably not be successful unless hey are lucky enough to nab a fully fresh bracket in the last hour.

I really like to see you roster. You clearly don´t have any clue what are you talking about.
Are you telling me that my 2374 hours played on Steam, in order to score 600 points or less with maxed Xforce and 4Thor is OK?

Developement of this game should be given to another game developer, because D3 (Demiurge) suck at it !!
They are clueless, they implement changes without testing and in absolutely wrong time !!

tanis3303

Azoic wrote:

I like the changes. 2*s dont get hammered constantly by 166+ and you can fight in your own pool. You just aren't happy because you lost easy mode. This is what was intended by the devs, so why not push it out. Of course ppl will be unhappy, but I hope they stick to their guns on this one.

And R.I.P. Snipers!!

I've been tryin to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but dude...you're not looking at the big picture. I have two points to throw at you, and I want you to really think about these.

1:) Under the old mmr system, vets would chomp on lower level teams during our initial climb, which most of us did very early in the event. Then once we got to around 600 or 700 points, we stopped seeing teams like that and had to start fighting amongst ourselves, and we'd shield hop to whatever score we wanted to hit from there. Now, towards the end we can see you. All. The. Time. We're gonna hit you later in the event, when it actually matters. You're gonna see retals vs 270s and Hoods and Loki's and the like with mere hours left to make up those points. Why? Because we can see your teams, and you're worth the same points as teams that are on our level. Of kitty course we're gonna attack you instead of a 270/270/249 team. The smart thing for vets to do under this new system is to wait for 2* teams and transitioning teams to climb, and then steamroll them in the final hours. You won't be able to win the retals, and we'll leave each other alone for the most part because no one is gonna fight a 270 team when a 94 or an under-covered xforce team is worth the same number of points.

2:) If you're progressing in this game, it's likely that your end goal is to reach the same roster status of us boogeyman vet players. We all went thru the torture of being smacked around by players with better rosters. Yes, it sucked, but when you got thru it, you were rewarded, and could move more easily to the next stage. What are you aiming for now? Look around this forum. All the vets are echoing the same thing: we feel like our progress in the game was reverted. Is that where you want to go in this game?

I swear we're not trying to be **** here. We're trying to help. This new system is bad for the game. You think it's good now, because it directly benefits you. But once you progress to the next stage, you're gonna be grabbing your pitchfork and marching on D3 with the rest of us. You need to see the bigger picture, because I know right now it feels like you're progressing, but trust us, what you're actually doing is going in circles.

Arondite

Azoic wrote:

Listen to your own advice Arondite. We have had maybe one slice that sniping was even possible yet, so you can't say it is easier. And if it is as bad as you vets say, you won't climb into top100 at all, since be clawing all over each other. Further, you will be buying craploads of healthpacks to do so. And your season scores will plummet as you likely won't reach 300 pts. That is if it is as bad as all the posts proclaim. Everyone saying 70+ pts is a nightmate, and hit constantly at 300.

So yah, if posts are accurate, sniping will be left to ppl not caring about season or progression rewards, and even then probably not be successful unless hey are lucky enough to nab a fully fresh bracket in the last hour.

The reason I was advising you not to post is because you've very clearly demonstrated that you have no idea about the subject on which you speak.

Sniping is not joining an event as it closes. Sniping is intentionally targeting a player who has a similar score to your own while he is unshielded so you may reduce his score while advancing your own, increasing your chances to our score him easily.

Unknown

lol, it's not that bad.

You get attacked more but you also get sub 166 teams when you yourself have over 700 pts.

Ark, we've been fighting 270 Xforce/4Thor for how many months straight now...how is this any more difficult?

Unknown

Arondite wrote:

Azoic wrote:

I like the changes. 2*s dont get hammered constantly by 166+ and you can fight in your own pool. You just aren't happy because you lost easy mode. This is what was intended by the devs, so why not push it out. Of course ppl will be unhappy, but I hope they stick to their guns on this one.

And R.I.P. Snipers!!

Sniping is more common and much easier now.

Please stop talking / posting until you've figured out at least the basics of top end play.

It's the same. 2 maybe 3 battles and shield back up. You vets have been spoiled and forgotten how to game.

Phillipes

Switchman wrote:

lol, it's not that bad.

You get attacked more but you also get sub 166 teams when you yourself have over 700 pts.

Ark, we've been fighting 270 Xforce/4Thor for how many months straight now...how is this any more difficult?

Lol, are we playing same game?
Difference is that we are fighting 166/270 teams right after seed teems !!

In previous MMR, we fought 2* up to maybe 500 points.

Unknown

Phillipes wrote:

Switchman wrote:

lol, it's not that bad.

You get attacked more but you also get sub 166 teams when you yourself have over 700 pts.

Ark, we've been fighting 270 Xforce/4Thor for how many months straight now...how is this any more difficult?

Lol, are we playing same game?
Difference is that we are fighting 166/270 teams right after seed teems !!

In previous MMR, we fought 2* up to maybe 500 points.

So a couple extra health packs and an extra shield hop or 2. Again, you vets have been spoiled.

Welcome to fighting for scraps with the rest of us. You are complaining about getting ATTACKED in PVP.

Unknown

Switchman wrote:

Phillipes wrote:

Switchman wrote:

lol, it's not that bad.

You get attacked more but you also get sub 166 teams when you yourself have over 700 pts.

Ark, we've been fighting 270 Xforce/4Thor for how many months straight now...how is this any more difficult?

Lol, are we playing same game?
Difference is that we are fighting 166/270 teams right after seed teems !!

In previous MMR, we fought 2* up to maybe 500 points.

So a couple extra health packs and an extra shield hop or 2. Again, you vets have been spoiled.

Welcome to fighting for scraps with the rest of us. You are complaining about getting ATTACKED in PVP.

It's always nice when the people arguing against you clearly have no clue what they're talking about.

I don't feel like discussing this with contrarians.

Edit - btw Switchman, what's your alliance? I wanna take a look at your roster, see if I get a feel for the level of pvp you have played.

Unknown

tanis3303 wrote:

Azoic wrote:

I like the changes. 2*s dont get hammered constantly by 166+ and you can fight in your own pool. You just aren't happy because you lost easy mode. This is what was intended by the devs, so why not push it out. Of course ppl will be unhappy, but I hope they stick to their guns on this one.

And R.I.P. Snipers!!

I've been tryin to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but dude...you're not looking at the big picture. I have two points to throw at you, and I want you to really think about these.

1:) Under the old mmr system, vets would chomp on lower level teams during our initial climb, which most of us did very early in the event. Then once we got to around 600 or 700 points, we stopped seeing teams like that and had to start fighting amongst ourselves, and we'd shield hop to whatever score we wanted to hit from there. Now, towards the end we can see you. All. The. Time. We're gonna hit you later in the event, when it actually matters. You're gonna see retals vs 270s and Hoods and Loki's and the like with mere hours left to make up those points. Why? Because we can see your teams, and you're worth the same points as teams that are on our level. Of kitty course we're gonna attack you instead of a 270/270/249 team. The smart thing for vets to do under this new system is to wait for 2* teams and transitioning teams to climb, and then steamroll them in the final hours. You won't be able to win the retals, and we'll leave each other alone for the most part because no one is gonna fight a 270 team when a 94 or an under-covered xforce team is worth the same number of points.

2:) If you're progressing in this game, it's likely that your end goal is to reach the same roster status of us boogeyman vet players. We all went thru the torture of being smacked around by players with better rosters. Yes, it sucked, but when you got thru it, you were rewarded, and could move more easily to the next stage. What are you aiming for now? Look around this forum. All the vets are echoing the same thing: we feel like our progress in the game was reverted. Is that where you want to go in this game?

I swear we're not trying to be **** here. We're trying to help. This new system is bad for the game. You think it's good now, because it directly benefits you. But once you progress to the next stage, you're gonna be grabbing your pitchfork and marching on D3 with the rest of us. You need to see the bigger picture, because I know right now it feels like you're progressing, but trust us, what you're actually doing is going in circles.

And all of that grind for vets was pre- DDQ helping players get covers without having to play strategically for days on end to cover 3*s.

I'm not an expert and don't pretend to be one, but it seems to me, now that everyone can see you after you climb high in the event, that strange feeling in people who have spent large amounts of time and/or money on this game are feeling in their back is the combo of the giant bullseye D3 just slapped on them along with the D3 knife twisting after the nerf of 4Thor, MNM, Mystique & IF.

Unknown

Phillipes wrote:

Azoic wrote:

Listen to your own advice Arondite. We have had maybe one slice that sniping was even possible yet, so you can't say it is easier. And if it is as bad as you vets say, you won't climb into top100 at all, since be clawing all over each other. Further, you will be buying craploads of healthpacks to do so. And your season scores will plummet as you likely won't reach 300 pts. That is if it is as bad as all the posts proclaim. Everyone saying 70+ pts is a nightmate, and hit constantly at 300.

So yah, if posts are accurate, sniping will be left to ppl not caring about season or progression rewards, and even then probably not be successful unless hey are lucky enough to nab a fully fresh bracket in the last hour.

I really like to see you roster. You clearly don´t have any clue what are you talking about.
Are you telling me that my 2374 hours played on Steam, in order to score 600 points or less with maxed Xforce and 4Thor is OK?

Developement of this game should be given to another game developer, because D3 (Demiurge) suck at it !!
They are clueless, they implement changes without testing and in absolutely wrong time !!

Didn't they mention that they have to cater to newer players first before the veterans. Primarily the people on the forums? They do make changes when the uproar came about nerfs (early QA video), but they never went back on them, so they still have the noobs to cater to in the end.

Unknown

Switchman, I saw your roster from your failed attack on me.

You have a 100% sub-200 pve roster with a bunch of clearly bought covers. I don't think you're aware of the kind of pvp the people complaining are talking about.

You absolutely have not "been fighting 270/270 teams for months".

Arondite

Switchman wrote:

Phillipes wrote:

Switchman wrote:

lol, it's not that bad.

You get attacked more but you also get sub 166 teams when you yourself have over 700 pts.

Ark, we've been fighting 270 Xforce/4Thor for how many months straight now...how is this any more difficult?

Lol, are we playing same game?
Difference is that we are fighting 166/270 teams right after seed teems !!

In previous MMR, we fought 2* up to maybe 500 points.

So a couple extra health packs and an extra shield hop or 2. Again, you vets have been spoiled.

Welcome to fighting for scraps with the rest of us. You are complaining about getting ATTACKED in PVP.

Do you understand the problem with requiring shields / shield hopping starting at 200 points as opposed to starting at 600? Getting to 1K now is one hell of an HP Sink. You have to shield with literally twice as much green to go if you don't want to be slogging up through points you've already scored.

Fighting for scraps is fine when you've reached the score where you generally should or will stall out. 1 Stars may stall out at 150 points and start scrapping with each other, eating wins and losses and not seeing progress. That's fine. That's still income to them - that's still progress.

For 2 stars to stall out at 400/500 points is fine - the HP and Token gained at that point will mean progress for you. That's income. It's acceptable to sputter out at that point.

Giving vets the choice between stalling out at 400/500 by having to eat wins and losses at equivalent rate OR spending twice as much HP as before for actual progress is a non-choice. For vets, progress doesn't occur untill 800 or 1000 (for most, it's 1000). Tokens hardly mean anything to us, as there's an overwhelming probability we're gonna scrap whatever comes out for Iso. If you're hunting 4 Stars only, you're literally getting something useful from a token about 1/10th as often as someone who's seeking 3 and 4 stars. So where do we get our progression? How do we advance? 1st place or 1,000 points.

1st place is only .2% of all players. It doesn't happen much, and it won't happen much. But that's always been that way, and it's fine for that to continue to be the case. What's not okay is literally doubling the shield-cost to advance in the other way - reaching 1,000 points. Why is it fair for progress to cost roughly the same investment (time) for 1 star and 2 star players for the same or greater pay out than before, while simultaneously making it virtually impossible for transitioners and twice as expensive for veterans?

Unknown

@Arondite

Your last comment was dead on. I burned through double the HP on shields in this event compared to any before it.

I used to gain enough between alliance, progress, and my own finish to "pay" for shields -- doesn't seem that will work unless the system gets re-worked or put back to how it was at the end of Season 12.

Arondite

ark123 wrote:

Switchman, I saw your roster from your failed attack on me.

You have a 100% sub-200 pve roster with a bunch of clearly bought covers. I don't think you're aware of the kind of pvp the people complaining are talking about.

You absolutely have not "been fighting 270/270 teams for months".

This man is a savage. +1

Unknown

It's always funny that some people we've never seen in the game keep talking about high level pvp and we know for a fact they have never been in a top10. People in bcs post their top10s all the time. We discuss everyone in the top ranks. There is no way someone has been scoring over 1k with regularity over the last months and we've never seen them. It's always obvious who is buying their way into certain alliances

puppychow

Arondite wrote:

Azoic wrote:

I like the changes. 2*s dont get hammered constantly by 166+ and you can fight in your own pool. You just aren't happy because you lost easy mode. This is what was intended by the devs, so why not push it out. Of course ppl will be unhappy, but I hope they stick to their guns on this one.

And R.I.P. Snipers!!

Sniping is more common and much easier now.

Please stop talking / posting until you've figured out at least the basics of top end play.

No, I think he should feel free to talk as much as he wants. Clearly he's not an experienced veteran player. He'll learn in time. Or else, quit in frustration when he can't move beyond the wall.