This moves you from genially clueless to something less so

scottee

Kiamodo wrote:

Kratos you know as well as anyone that it's not just this pve event. Ole Wilson Fisk will be boosted for another event pretty soon after so you are slowing yourself down for future events. Everyone who is saying that it's your choice to play you are completely correct. But it does make me think of a teacher that assigns her students homework over spring break. Sure you don't have to do it. Just if you want to do well later. And forget about enjoying what for a majority of people is time off.

This is much more akin to blaming Beanie Babies for releasing too many new stuffed animals than it is to a teacher assigning homework. If your alliance is demanding more than you can deliver, then maybe it's time to make the hard decision of whether or not you should continue to be in it.

As for all of the comments on the individual choice (not just yours Kiamodo), the devs are content providers and we are consumers. It's not Starbucks fault so many people are addicted to coffee. It's their smart business plan to open one on every freakin tiny-kitten corner to take advantage of it.

Hmm, I wonder if we were able to buy stock in MPQ if many would sign a different tune. (More events! Make a 200-token pack! Make them pay 1 HP everytime they check the leader board!)

NighteyesGrisu

Kiamodo wrote:

Kratos you know as well as anyone that it's not just this pve event. Ole Wilson Fisk will be boosted for another event pretty soon after so you are slowing yourself down for future events. Everyone who is saying that it's your choice to play you are completely correct. But it does make me think of a teacher that assigns her students homework over spring break. Sure you don't have to do it. Just if you want to do well later. And forget about enjoying what for a majority of people is time off.

hm, times might have changed a bit since I went to school, but homework was something you actually had to do.

Kiamodo

Last time I checked buying a beanie baby didn't take monitoring refreshes on nodes or grinding at the end of each sub. This is also something they have previously acknowledged was something the player base was against and they wouldn't be releasing characters back to back anymore. I personally don't participate in most PVEs for this reason. But I want to play the game honestly! I shouldn't have to avoid something I want to do!

scottee

Kiamodo wrote:

Last time I checked buying a beanie baby didn't take monitoring refreshes on nodes or grinding at the end of each sub. This is also something they have previously acknowledged was something the player base was against and they wouldn't be releasing characters back to back anymore. I personally don't participate in most PVEs for this reason. But I want to play the game honestly! I shouldn't have to avoid something I want to do!

Buying a Beanie Baby is optional. Playing an MPQ event optimally for top rewards is optional. Drinking coffee is optional. Thinking it's not is addiction.

Oldboy

You know what may help? If B.east is the regular top 100 placement rewards for next event. That would help a lot At least then i'm thinking we wont feel so bad about missing out on Fisk for next event where he'll be essential.
Right now,even if i dont want Fisk, i may want the next 3* "old" covers given out. So i have to grind for Fisk on the offchance that the next reward cover is what i want.
Perhaps it would be helpful to know the rewards for next pve as well.

Kiamodo

scottee wrote:

Kiamodo wrote:

Last time I checked buying a beanie baby didn't take monitoring refreshes on nodes or grinding at the end of each sub. This is also something they have previously acknowledged was something the player base was against and they wouldn't be releasing characters back to back anymore. I personally don't participate in most PVEs for this reason. But I want to play the game honestly! I shouldn't have to avoid something I want to do!

Buying a Beanie Baby is optional. Playing an MPQ event optimally for top rewards is optional. Drinking coffee is optional. Thinking it's not is addiction.

You aren't wrong. I'm just saying it's not right.

scottee

Kiamodo wrote:

scottee wrote:

Kiamodo wrote:

Last time I checked buying a beanie baby didn't take monitoring refreshes on nodes or grinding at the end of each sub. This is also something they have previously acknowledged was something the player base was against and they wouldn't be releasing characters back to back anymore. I personally don't participate in most PVEs for this reason. But I want to play the game honestly! I shouldn't have to avoid something I want to do!

Buying a Beanie Baby is optional. Playing an MPQ event optimally for top rewards is optional. Drinking coffee is optional. Thinking it's not is addiction.

You aren't wrong. I'm just saying it's not right.

Oh, I totally understand. I'm pretty sure these match-3 games have figured out some addiction formula that they could sell to the Mexican drug cartels. Whatever they're doing, it's got people crying out death cries as if we're being tortured to death, and then picking their phones/tablets back up to play again. It's absolutely brilliant, and disturbing at the same time.

Dauthi

GothicKratos wrote:

Yes, he's a new 4*. Yes, 4*s are hard to cover. You know what though? They're not going anywhere. Either you were going to grind the Hell out or PvE (to let him sit or sink a bunch of HP into it to max it), smash the PvP to get it (and let it sit or use HP to max it), a combination of the former (to let them sit or throw HP at it to max it), or you weren't going to try very hard at all. Chances are, for most of us, he's gunna just sit there and take forever to cover either way.
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Say this to all the single alliances out there trying to get by. This is going to rip apart my alliance, because many are tired, and those who aren't will end up leaving to something that can offer a stable situation in all events. This does not effect the big Walmart alliances of course, as they situate their alliance as needed, that is where they will go.

Tannen wrote:

Having just come back from a break I notice that there's a ... false dichotomy in how people are reacting to new characters.

When I was playing before I distinctly remember going a month+ without any new characters, people complaining that whichever pvp/pve was being run, was being run again with the same character (pun pun) and that they'd leave for greener pastures unless some new characters were released.

Now we appear to be on the complete flip side of that, where characters are being released far more regularly but we have people complaining that it's a cash grab and now people are going to leave for greener pastures unless the character release schedule is slowed down.

Heh. Carry on good people, carry on. I don't really have anything to add to the conversation other than that observation and that personally I'm kinda liking the new release schedule myself, but that's because of what I remember from the past and I guess because I'm not (currently) pushing that hard for all 3 covers on every new release.

Cheers.

Please, there is a huge difference between releasing a character every two months compared to once a week. Glad you got your break, now imagine those who have not, and have been here the whole time to stay competitive.

Quebbster

Here's what rubs me the wrong way a little:
Story-wise, Thick as Thieves comes before ISO-8 Brotherhood. OK, not a big deal since the episodes tend to be a bit jumbled these days (technically The Hulk should have run before either).
But then they run a compressed Brotherhood with 12 hour subs introducing a new character, and follow it up with Thick as Thieves with subs at least 2 days long (haven't checked exactly) also introducing a new character.
If they wanted a 3½ day story PvE followed by a ~7 day story PvE I would definitely have prefered if Thick as Thieves had been the 3½ day PvE (1 day for each sub + 12 hours for the final showdown. It can work.) and Brotherhood had been the 7 day PvE with 24 hour subs.
But I guess if they had done it that way people might have enjoyed it or something...

GothicKratos

@scottee: The addictive juice is simplicity. Angry Birds, Farmville, Puzzle Quest, Candy Crush, et al. Simple, yet engaging.

Dauthi wrote:

Say this to all the single alliances out there trying to get by. This is going to rip apart my alliance, because many are tired, and those who aren't will end up leaving to something that can offer a stable situation in all events. This does not effect the big Walmart alliances of course, as they situate their alliance as needed, that is where they will go.

Chances are, for most of us, he's gunna just sit there and take forever to cover either way.

Point is even more potent on small Alliances. You're going to get 2 covers? Maybe 1? You couldn't even whale it up if you wanted to. It's going to take you ages to get that guy covered anyways. You can maybe huff it on the PvP, if they covers line up right, and get all three. Maybe. Chances are you're sitting on dead covers for awhile.

Dauthi wrote:

Please, there is a huge difference between releasing a character every two months compared to once a week. Glad you got your break, now imagine those who have not, and have been here the whole time to stay competitive.

His point was not how hard it was for him before his break, his point is everyone bemoaned the slow pace of characters before, and now that they're coming in steadily, everyone wants to complain about it.

If this game is causing you too much stress, you probably need to reevaluate your priorities. He talked about how he stepped away and made a statement in light of that, there's no need to throw it in his face that you begrudgingly stuck around.

Unknown

So what are the odds this is just MPQ's april's fools for the year and the real rewards will be Beast covers?

...

I am being overly optimistic aren't I? Sigh.

Roswulf

GothicKratos wrote:

They have a release cycle. We know how it rolls.

Isn't the primary source of frustration here the deviation from the more or less fortnightly release cycle with consecutive new character PvEs?

I do think there is a limit to how quickly d3 can release new characters without damaging the game playing experience (for a number of reasons- roster slot pricing, PvE grind issues, Alliance continuity, the basic math that only heavily covered characters are useful, the snow-balling nature of essentials, etc.). Now, it may be that this is a minor deviation for promotional reasons. Kingpin had to be released a week early for Netflix Daredevil synergy, and now there will be a gap of three weeks before the next character release. But if this instead signals a shift in the release cycle to more frequent releases on a regular basis...it makes the game less fun for many (most?) players.

Heartburn

I'm not playing this event, i'm tired of grinding in recycled events. it would of been nice to get some new content that can breath some new life into the game. I can see where you guys are all coming from. we can almost all agree that 7 day events are taxing for most players introducing 2 characters back to back right out of a season is burning out players. I have been on the forums this whole week and there was no clamoring for increasing character releases to weekly(unless it was the intorducion of 4*s in DDQ), if anything there was urges to slow down after IF was nerfed a week out of release. While i do like more characters this is not the way to do it. they set their 2 weeks schedule to avoid this problem and are going back on what they said, more trust lost. Their choices of late are driving players away. I have always found things to spend my hp on but lately i am hesitant to spend it on anything and have just let it pile up.

Is it just me or did the rewards get smaller and now the brackets are bigger i thought they were 500 ppl brackets now 1000 with only T50 cover rewards.

I think we might be seeing the starts of a death spiral. They are taking frantic steps, the the future of the game is grim, and the whales are upset and leaving.

Unknown

After skimming through this thread, it is painfully obvious that some people have lost sight that this is just a game and can/should be a great means of entertainment. There's always the option to not let the game ruin your life. Thanks for new content devs. This is by far the best mobile game I've ever played. Keep up the good work.

Quebbster

Roswulf wrote:

GothicKratos wrote:

They have a release cycle. We know how it rolls.

Isn't the primary source of frustration here the deviation from the more or less fortnightly release cycle with consecutive new character PvEs?

I do think there is a limit to how quickly d3 can release new characters without damaging the game playing experience (for a number of reasons- roster slot pricing, PvE grind issues, Alliance continuity, the basic math that only heavily covered characters are useful, the snow-balling nature of essentials, etc.). Now, it may be that this is a minor deviation for promotional reasons. Kingpin had to be released a week early for Netflix Daredevil synergy, and now there will be a gap of three weeks before the next character release. But if this instead signals a shift in the release cycle to more frequent releases on a regular basis...it makes the game less fun for many (most?) players.

They have deviated from the cycle before and then returned to it. I am not happy about the situation, but I'll manage. I want the Kamala progress reward and I'll probably be able to grind up to a top 50 finish to get one cover at least. Hopefully we'll get some fun PvEs afterward.

El Satanno

I'm going to agree with Colog on this one. Not entirely though, as there are plenty of valid opinions on both sides of the issue. It might be nice if we could collectively stop being **** to one another.

It's easy to lose sight of one simple thing which I really believe we all have in common: We all love this game. Maybe there are some who will simply cry and try to get their way, but Colog among many others have proven through their posts that they are actively interested in the health of the overall game. Sure it does smack a bit of entitlement, but it smacks more of "I really love this game, but they're making it really hard."

I empathize with that sentiment a great deal. We're only lying to ourselves if we say that this game is anything but hyper-competitive. Is it not a clear indication of fatigue that DDQ was met with almost universal praise for it's non-competitive format? Constant, unrelenting, time-intensive events are making us all nuts. And I'm a guy who actually took a step back to say "Hey, I won't die if I don't get this new character." But it sure doesn't feel good to have to say that. Hell, that fact that I did have to say that is pretty telling.

Unknown

GothicKratos wrote:

I have mad respect for you, you do a lot for the game, even beyond financial support, as some of your posts are literally the most informative posts on the forums, but man, this screams "entitlement" to me.

Please explain how someone who does the following is "entitled":
1. Has not missed a top5 finish for a new character PvE since 2* Cap.
2. Maxes out all of his characters cover-wise with HP as soon as he gets the first three (even 2*s like Lazy Ms. Marvel).
3. Buys Stark Salaries on a regular basis.
4. Finishes as the top PvP scorer in the alliance every single season.

If this counts as entitled, then I guess all the F2P players and their opinions can be tossed aside like street beggars.

They have a release cycle. We know how it rolls.

They broke from their release cycle in this case. That is part of the reason people have made these threads.

Honestly, I have mad respect for you, but the condescending "I know what's good for you and this is how you should have fun" tone in your post makes me question how much respect you truly have for the OP.

Arondite

Kind of a turd move on d3's part but at the end of the day it's not that big a deal really.

Grind now, grind later, you're still grinding

Phillipes

taloncarde wrote:

Been playing since near day one, not planning to get out, and not upset about more releases. I hope we get another one next week!

I wish people would stop trying to blame the game for their own inability to handle their affairs. No one is forcing you to play but yourself! I'm still having a blast and enjoying the game, and that's not changing for me anytime soon.

What an idiotic post !!
-1

Be so kind and post your complete roster. Do you alteast have some maxed 3* ??

If you are so casual, tell us, how much did you spend to keep this game alive?

Square

I was annoyed to see this come. I don't have to play, and was kind of relaxed with Prof X's PVE (top 50). I have Kamala Khan, and don't celebrate Easter, so that's not the problem.

The Kamala PVE sucked. The scaling was higher than usual, or at least, back to what it used to be. Then, this PVE is a 4* less than a month after the last, it lasts a week... It's optional, but it sucks to miss out on the easiest chance to get two 4* covers, that will be essential in upcoming events. Didn't get Kamala? No way to get Kingpin.

The complaints about Easter mean little to me even with me not celebrating: if anything, people have more free time on a four day weekend, and honestly, who wants to spend four days straight interacting with their family? People take breaks.

For me personally, it's having one grindfest next to another. That makes things un-fun. A week's space between new characters seems the reasonable way to run things.

The only thing that makes sense about this timing to me is that D3 was 'nudged' by Marvel to have Kingpin released to lead up to the Daredevil Netflix release, and possibly 'nudged' to release Kamala within Marvel's women's month... It's still a scheduling issue of D3 though. They should have postponed Prof X until the end of May to keep the pace breathable.