Aw Sweet, They Nerfed A 4*!

Square

Budget Player Cadet wrote:

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Budget Player Cadet wrote:

Dafuq, guys? Yeah, pre-nerf 4thor could straight-up one-shot anyone in the game. For 10 red and 9 blue AP. Single target.

Without addressing your other points, 4hor wasn't exactly one target. It stunned another target, and left the board primed to power up more.

I'm apathetic about the nerf, but 4hor had a very similar likelihood of success on defence as others.

Surgical strike is great, but it is reliant on the opponent having a top offence that the team can use, and those being on the board. I'm not an anal retentive player (compared to many, at least) and now and again, like in this GSBW PVP, I've surgical strike purple and been somewhat out of luck. X-force vs XF or 4hor, it's great (green or red), but it can be a ****-shoot against others. I hate surgical striking LThor and getting a pile of yellow, then he Call the Storm on me.

It's the GSBW PVP. If you surgical strike purple you can generate 10+ green, and use that to do ridiculous team damage or nuke someone with X-Force's green (which is also phenomenally underpriced, by the way). I've been running LThor as my third, so basically the only things that don't lead to an instant "tinykitty you" are blue and red (and red is still pretty good) - purple gets me Deceptive Tactics -> Sniper, yellow gets me Thunder Strike -> Sniper, green gets me Sniper, black gets me another surgical strike, and presumably whoever was tanking black mostly dead.

That's true, in this case, the purple is usable. Sometimes, it nets you purple when you can't use it. Sometimes it gets you yellow. It's a case by case thing, so using a single PVP as proof of something doesn't mean much. On top of that, half the use of surgical strike is taking a valuable color away from an enemy, so I want to take green from XF or red from 4hor. The computer can't use GSBW's purple well, so it's not a colour I'm looking to drain. But you were correct, in the case of GSBW's PVP, you can use it.

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As it stands, though, 4* progression is completely broken, which means that if 4*s are the top, most powerful characters, then the game's progression is broken.

so basically we agree on the cause of the problem, but disagree on the solution. Your solution would be to reduce 4* to nearly useless stuff like IW (let's face it, the only reason people grind for her is because they think at one point she'll be buffed/fixed). Instead of dragging 4* down to the level of 3* (at a much bigger cost both in effort7hp and iso) wouldn't it be much better to fix progression to make acquiring them somewhat easier and make them less rare (maybe add a new 4* progression reward in pve's too, etc).

I didn't say "nearly useless". You know who I don't have a problem with? Nick Fury. Last character ranking had him at 4th. The reason I don't have a problem with him? Because he's not ridiculously OP. That said, making them easier to get would have a similar effect. Make progression less broken, and 4*s can be significantly stronger.