Stop chasing the carrot

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To all players of MPQ and those who religiously read this forum or who have stumbled upon it...

Today I think a lot of us realized a sick truth of this game...we work extremely hard for characters, whether it be a 2*, 3*, or 4* depending on your position in the game...and for what? We chase that carrot, and at one point eventually achieve it, fully covering a character or max leveling a character. The next thing you know, another character has been released and you are chasing a new one.

That has been a part of the game since its inception, but here is the really crummy part of today: Those who have achieved some highly desirable "carrots" have realized they aren't what they were during the chase, and in fact are a lot less. This is especially true for anyone who grinded like crazy for Iron fist, even bought covers, and then ended up with something much worse than they worked/paid for. Kind of like buying a Porsche and driving it off the lot, only to find out it is a Ford, and being stuck with it. This also applies to Thor Goddess, albeit in a longer time frame.

The changes today will benefit a lot of players without some of the "overpowered" characters, giving them a more fair fight for the time being. But rest assured, whether you are a 1*, 2*, 3*, or 4* player, that newly released character you really want, and spend 20+ hours getting 3 covers for, or sinking money into, may not be the end product, and only an illusion.

Today, D3 has disrespected not only its veteran player base, but everyone who plays the game.

What a shame.

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Something to keep in mind for those that are sacrificing family time, ruining relationships, letting health degrade, killing sleep cycles, letting works slip, etc etc.

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Switchman wrote:

Something to keep in mind for those that are sacrificing family time, ruining relationships, letting health degrade, killing sleep cycles, letting works slip, etc etc.

What? Who is doing that? It is still a game.

Dartmaster01

That's why I'm going to finish the hunt for my alliance and to see if they amend any of these changes. After that I'm done with this B.S., I don't mind chasing the carrot. What I don't like is someone stomping all over the ones I have already chased and acquired/bought.

Thanks D3, you made this a very easy decision.

grifterx777

I for one have spent money on this game and have bought covers. I work hard for my cash and have spent it on something that I enjoy. With this update...I just feel robbed. My 4hor was one of the characters that I sank money into and now she does less damage than luke cage for MORE ap. ****! Never again, D3. This is bad business practice and screw you for swindling your customers.

MarvelMan

Much preferable to run from the nerf bat (stick) that D3 is wielding.

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grifterx777 wrote:

I for one have spent money on this game and have bought covers. I work hard for my cash and have spent it on something that I enjoy. With this update...I just feel robbed. My 4hor was one of the characters that I sank money into and now she does less damage than luke cage for MORE ap. ****! Never again, D3. This is bad business practice and screw you for swindling your customers.

You said it right! You are being robbed, swindled, whatever you want to call it. It is never a good business practice to sell someone something that in the end is something else entirely.

For anyone who has benefited from these impending changes, just know I am not trying to say the game should belong entirely to the veterans. I am simply trying to prove a point that character changes literally rob people of hard spent time and money, something nobody wants.

We need to all stand together against practices like this. So who else is with me? Post away!

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Yeah in a way they helped, i think i'll play it more relaxed and stop hunting for 4* all the time, or even considering using hp to buy covers, by the time i manage to fill a 4* they will nerf it so no need to bother

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I rely 100% on 4thor. I bought 8 covers for her. She kept me from quitting a month back. She was the only reason I could compete for anything more than scraps for the amount of time I was wasting on this game.

I think she deserved a nerf. Blue was too much of a nerf but MPQ gonna MPQ.

I feel cheated, but I knew the risk in putting $$ into this game. Nerfs happen all the time. It's reality, it's part of life. The hilarious part to me, I was only ever to get an Xforce Yellow out of it. No green, no black, still sitting at 0/0/3 yellow. Tomorrow I get my first green from daily. Do I put $$$ into him like I was planning? I don't know, probably not. MPQ gonna MPQ afterall.

It's more concerning how they completely dropped the ball on IF, compared to the nerf of 4Thor. We shouldn't be putting $$ into incompetence and/or shady practices.

Carnage_78

Dartmaster01 wrote:

I don't mind chasing the carrot. What I don't like is someone stomping all over the ones I have already chased and acquired/bought.

I am with you on this...I don't mind playing the game to improve my roster by chasing the carrot a cover at a time but getting a raw deal once you've actually achieved something, which in this case is seeing the rules change under your feet, is a sour feeling.

My comment here aside from the sadness of losing Strom / Magneto to combat the sometimes crazy PvE scaling would be that as a community we need to be careful...

The fact that the development team is listening to us is a double edge sword...we do get a lot of upside from it as we get things changed for the better...proof is that some of the improvements over the last few months were significantly good for all of us...

...but the very vocal minority on this forum that seems only aimed at serial complaining about everything unfortunately also gets listened to. There had been an increasingly bigger & bigger trend of those lately and today we get this character update that the vast majority is unhappy about.

Coincidence? I think not...

scottee

Carnage_78 wrote:

The fact that the development team is listening to us is a double edge sword...we do get a lot of upside from it as we get things changed for the better...proof is that some of the improvements over the last few months were significantly good for all of us...

...but the very vocal minority on this forum that seems only aimed at serial complaining about everything unfortunately also gets listened to. There had been an increasingly bigger & bigger trend of those lately and today we get this character update that the vast majority is unhappy about.

Coincidence? I think not...

This needs to be anthologized somewhere.

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Switchman wrote:

I rely 100% on 4thor. I bought 8 covers for her. She kept me from quitting a month back. She was the only reason I could compete for anything more than scraps for the amount of time I was wasting on this game.

I think she deserved a nerf. Blue was too much of a nerf but MPQ gonna MPQ.

I feel cheated, but I knew the risk in putting $$ into this game. Nerfs happen all the time. It's reality, it's part of life. The hilarious part to me, I was only ever to get an Xforce Yellow out of it. No green, no black, still sitting at 0/0/3 yellow. Tomorrow I get my first green from daily. Do I put $$$ into him like I was planning? I don't know, probably not. MPQ gonna MPQ afterall.

It's more concerning how they completely dropped the ball on IF, compared to the nerf of 4Thor. We shouldn't be putting $$ into incompetence and/or shady practices.

The real question is why did you invest so much into a 4* when clearly you aren't ready for 4* territory if you still haven't gotten your first XF daily cover.

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Yeah, I wasn't affected by this really but it truly baffles my mind why a company thinks devaluing its product is a good idea from a business standpoint. Lol makes no sense. I'm not talking specific covers by this nerfing...I'm talking about the loud and clear message that these 4*s priced at 2500hp a piece will more than likely be neutered at a future date. Heck in some cases like a 3* IF one week after release. Pre-launch I got no problems with, after launch...that's just vandalism. They are not only devaluing covers...they are devaluing the "chase". But hey, they have made a boat load of cash so far so maybe they are happy to rest on their laurels and maybe they got a clever master plan. I just don't see it, as a paying customer, this had the complete opposite effect.

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Lerysh wrote:

Switchman wrote:

I rely 100% on 4thor. I bought 8 covers for her. She kept me from quitting a month back. She was the only reason I could compete for anything more than scraps for the amount of time I was wasting on this game.

I think she deserved a nerf. Blue was too much of a nerf but MPQ gonna MPQ.

I feel cheated, but I knew the risk in putting $$ into this game. Nerfs happen all the time. It's reality, it's part of life. The hilarious part to me, I was only ever to get an Xforce Yellow out of it. No green, no black, still sitting at 0/0/3 yellow. Tomorrow I get my first green from daily. Do I put $$$ into him like I was planning? I don't know, probably not. MPQ gonna MPQ afterall.

It's more concerning how they completely dropped the ball on IF, compared to the nerf of 4Thor. We shouldn't be putting $$ into incompetence and/or shady practices.

The real question is why did you invest so much into a 4* when clearly you aren't ready for 4* territory if you still haven't gotten your first XF daily cover.

Because it allowed me to clean up on 3* which I was spending XX hours a week missing sleep for. F that. I will never go back to PVE. I was able to get lots of 4* from 1k PVP, just no xforces. 4Thor allowed me to play the game. Without 4thor, I was wasting my time getting 1 or 2 meaningless covers at a time. 4Thor shaved MONTHS off my progression. The $$ was a small amount when you think of how many hundreds of hours I would have wasted for scraps. Time = Money. I took the shortcut and exploited an OP char, so I'm not too mad. Just really questioning **** is going on behind the scenes with this game.

It's like the decision making is poorly planned to correct the poorly planned decision making....

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Carnage_78 wrote:

the sadness of losing Strom / Magneto to combat the sometimes crazy PvE scaling would be that as a community we need to be careful...

I'm not trying to be a smart **** towards Carnage or anyone else, but every time I've read something like this today, I wonder if these people think they are the special snowflake that is using Stormneto to get ahead of others. More like you are just on the treadmill with the other Stormnetos and you're all just making the scaling worse. I understand that you want to use every advantage you can to win but on the other hand it probably makes the PvE scaling a pain for newer players.

This is just a half **** posting of my opinion of one facet of the Stormneto topic, I didn't know about the strat until very recently and never became dependent on them so what do I know.

babinro

eh201207 wrote:

Today, D3 has disrespected not only its veteran player base, but everyone who plays the game.

What a shame.

Wow...people are acting so over dramatic today.

As you said yourself, 'this has been part of the game since inception'. Character balancing is nothing surprising or new. We've seen it done several times before.

Chasing the carrot just to have your character lose value over time is also nothing new. We see this all the time. Remember when Punisher was a top tier PvP player? He never once got nerfed but check out his value now. Look at the vast majority of your 3* roster and tell me which of those characters are still as strong as they were when you pushed for them initially.

Have people really been completely oblivious to this?

These aren't new revelations at all.
This is the game we've always been playing and supporting.
Today isn't anything uniquely special.

Carnage_78

frydaddy, my comment about Storm / Magneto is that although I don't use them much anymore now that I am in land (my PvE team is Blade, Rocket & Groot and Falcon at this point which is way more effective as a team) the thing is that they served me well while I was a maxed roster especially in PvE to beat a tough node like in the Gauntlet for example where scaling is not an issue but you simply need to beat the node to carry on.

Sometimes the enemy combination is just too strong for your roster or you just don't have the right characters to fight them & counteract their abilities...enters boosted Storm / Magneto to the rescue!

Basically I just feel for the people that could use them in this fashion but won't be able to like I did, nothing more.

I actually think that although some of the nerfs went too far, most of them were probably in some way warranted to balance out the game & break some gimmick use of some characters but that was not my point. It was all about the recent trend of complaining that I saw on the forum for the last few weeks...and the consequences that we now see.

EDIT: You do have a point with the scaling side effect of using that team by the way...

Carnage_78

babinro wrote:

Wow...people are acting so over dramatic today.

The overreaction & rage quitting comments are indeed over the top following this character change (which is not that big of a deal the way I see it).

Yes, Thor is getting a little less powerful & maybe they went just a little too far with it but she is still very strong & usable...they did not kill her or anything.

Which ties in well with my comment of how we as a community use this forum...a very vocal minority seems to voice rage & frustration for every little thing while most of us are happy just playing the game and coming to this forum for information, tips & tricks on how to play it better.

The problem is that maybe we should be more careful with this tool that we have...a more constructive environment might very well be a better & more sustainable thing for the game than those type of comments. I would actually be curious to see just how many of those players that are raging today were actually the ones complaining about Iron Fist & other characters over the last few weeks...

Dartmaster01

Carnage_78 wrote:

babinro wrote:

Wow...people are acting so over dramatic today.

The overreaction & rage quitting comments are indeed over the top following this character change (which is not that big of a deal the way I see it).

Yes, Thor is getting a little less powerful & maybe they went just a little too far with it but she is still very strong & usable...they did not kill her or anything.

Which ties in well with my comment of how we as a community use this forum...a very vocal minority seems to voice rage & frustration for every little thing while most of us are happy just playing the game and coming to this forum for information, tips & tricks on how to play it better.

The problem is that maybe we should be more careful with this tool that we have...a more constructive environment might very well be a better & more sustainable thing for the game than those type of comments. I would actually be curious to see just how many of those players that are raging today were actually the ones complaining about Iron Fist & other characters over the last few weeks...

I think it's just that some have been hit with the stick more than others. These changes needed to happen but not before other more important ones, and certainly not like this. This is an unnecessary beating to some of those who invested time/money/whatever into these characters.

Carnage_78

Dartmaster01 wrote:

I think it's just that some have been hit with the stick more than others. These changes needed to happen but not before other more important ones, and certainly not like this. This is an unnecessary beating to some of those who invested time/money/whatever into these characters.

I totally agree with you that these changes are very frustrating...as I said before, changing the rules after you've invested time & resources into a character should never happen or at least be a lot more limited than what we've seen in the history of this game. So I am not disputing that with my comments...only underlining the trend of a much too vocal minority on this forum that just seem to complain about everything everyday which seems to have some consequences for all of us playing the game.

There are indeed some more crucial changes that should've been made before those that were put forward today...one example is probably fixing characters that are actually broken like Invisible Woman, Beast & others.

GuntherBlobel

babinro wrote:

The problem is that maybe we should be more careful with this tool that we have...a more constructive environment might very well be a better & more sustainable thing for the game than those type of comments. I would actually be curious to see just how many of those players that are raging today were actually the ones complaining about Iron Fist & other characters over the last few weeks...

I don't think forumites are the reason that forumites are upset today.

1) No one complained about Winfinite, but we should know that infinite combos are game breaking and soon to be removed.
2) Has no one considered that Thor was nerfed because of how she interacted with Ragnarok? IceIX specifically mentioned that he was delayed because of how he interacted with another character. No one on the forum ever had the opportunity to complain about Thunderclap's blue charged tiles fueling her Power Surge fueling his Thunderclap again. On the plus side, now we can have more characters with charged tiles. Power Surge was probably preventing that.
3) I would have taken IF's nerf farther. But it seems like the Devs tried to keep the power as close to what people were originally excited about. They didn't increase its AP cost, which was the popular forum suggestion.