PvP shield hop etiquette Q

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I think is up to each one, to me it makes more sense that is more easy to reach 1000 when theres more big targets, and is kind of dumb being stuck in retals or being snipped when you only aimed for 3 fights

I usually reach 1000 and forget of it

Of course sometimes one doesnt have time, or you only got those options and theres 3 points fights but that happens little, if i could contact some X-Men, Django or any other i would, just that mostly dont know how to reeach them, but as always collaborating gives more results than just snipping

Bowgentle

Agent Alex wrote:

if i could contact some X-Men, Django or any other i would, just that mostly dont know how to reeach them, but as always collaborating gives more results than just snipping

All of Django and X are using the Line App, I think by now every single T25 alliance does. Some of us have their LINE ID in their sig, you can snowball your way from a single contact in a top alliance to 75% of the rest. Hit up locked from Django, she usually is more than willing to hook up more people to the forumite BCs.

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XandorXerxes wrote:

Jamie Madrox wrote:

There are lots of tactics used and some of them were not mentioned on this thread.

Care to elaborate? I'm curious mostly for the sake of knowing - given that I'm in an extremely casual alliance are just barely transitioning to 3*s I doubt I'll ever see half of them, and you've already mentioned that keeping it to yourself stifles competition and promotes people leaving the game. It's a bit unfair to ask of you, since you'd essentially be making it harder on yourself, but I'm assuming you'd generally prefer to proiritize the general health of the game.

One method I've heard of, don't know if the top alliances use it, is to essentially just take a dive...thus giving the player easy defensive points. If you have 19 alliance mates that help, assuming you were able to find each other, that's alot of defensive points if those 19 alliance members had a lot more points than you. I don't know all that goes into it but that's one way and where a good alliance and members really helps out. Would be really helpful around that 800-1000 range.

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Bowgentle wrote:

Agent Alex wrote:

if i could contact some X-Men, Django or any other i would, just that mostly dont know how to reeach them, but as always collaborating gives more results than just snipping

All of Django and X are using the Line App, I think by now every single T25 alliance does. Some of us have their LINE ID in their sig, you can snowball your way from a single contact in a top alliance to 75% of the rest. Hit up locked from Django, she usually is more than willing to hook up more people to the forumite BCs.

Yes, I do have it as well, i'm in SKYNET 2.0 and its normal to coordinate within 1.0 and ex members, is just that one comes across common targets at this point, and i didnt have that info, i will check it out, thanks

morgh

Yeah, what top alliances are doing is the "booster" tactic - Person A designated as point receiver is up and shielded and will be unshielding in ~30 minutes. The "grunts" (point donors) are now given an order to climb up for that time of 30 minutes, and once the person A unshields, they are to Q that person and retreat to them as many times as possible...
And of course there are some people who are "snipers" - not only do they donate points, but also stay unshielded and tank their own points, and when someone unshields from a bracket where an alliance mate's standing is in jeoparty, they are told about it and have the task of hitting them as fast as possible, as many times as possible...

lokiagentofhotness

Jamie Madrox wrote:

I think what this thread highlights is just how little the vast majority of the player base knows about how high-level PVP is played. That's a good thing for those of us that play at that level because we're secure in the fact that we can continue to play at that level with very little competition, but I think it's bad for player retention overall. Players that never come close to the top despite having strong rosters are probably less likely to invest more money/time in the game than they are to just stop playing.

Well not everyone is really invested in getting 1500 and above per PVP, and you can place in the top 5 well enough each PVP with a strong roster without BC with outside alliance co-ordination. So it's not as big a deal-breaker as one might think.

Being in a top 100 alliance is the most important, as far as I can see though, with regards to advice and roster advancement.

JamieMadrox

lokiagentofhotness wrote:

Jamie Madrox wrote:

I think what this thread highlights is just how little the vast majority of the player base knows about how high-level PVP is played. That's a good thing for those of us that play at that level because we're secure in the fact that we can continue to play at that level with very little competition, but I think it's bad for player retention overall. Players that never come close to the top despite having strong rosters are probably less likely to invest more money/time in the game than they are to just stop playing.

Well not everyone is really invested in getting 1500 and above per PVP, and you can place in the top 5 well enough each PVP with a strong roster without BC with outside alliance co-ordination. So it's not as big a deal-breaker as one might think.

Being in a top 100 alliance is the most important, as far as I can see though, with regards to advice and roster advancement.

Absolutely. Everyone's play styles are different, but I also think that play styles can change if more is known about the game. My play style has changed a few times over the last year and always because I learned/understood the game better.

And you're 100% right about being in a top 100 alliance. It's critical to the 3* transition to be getting that extra cover every event.

lokiagentofhotness

Jamie Madrox wrote:

Absolutely. Everyone's play styles are different, but I also think that play styles can change if more is known about the game. My play style has changed a few times over the last year and always because I learned/understood the game better.

And you're 100% right about being in a top 100 alliance. It's critical to the 3* transition to be getting that extra cover every event.

We might also just have different definitions of what high-level PVP means though - what's your definition of the top level PVP gameplay / style?

El Satanno

morgh wrote:

Yeah, what top alliances are doing is the "booster" tactic - Person A designated as point receiver is up and shielded and will be unshielding in ~30 minutes. The "grunts" (point donors) are now given an order to climb up for that time of 30 minutes, and once the person A unshields, they are to Q that person and retreat to them as many times as possible...
And of course there are some people who are "snipers" - not only do they donate points, but also stay unshielded and tank their own points, and when someone unshields from a bracket where an alliance mate's standing is in jeoparty, they are told about it and have the task of hitting them as fast as possible, as many times as possible...

Oh my...that is...that is brilliant.

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El Satanno wrote:

morgh wrote:

Yeah, what top alliances are doing is the "booster" tactic - Person A designated as point receiver is up and shielded and will be unshielding in ~30 minutes. The "grunts" (point donors) are now given an order to climb up for that time of 30 minutes, and once the person A unshields, they are to Q that person and retreat to them as many times as possible...
And of course there are some people who are "snipers" - not only do they donate points, but also stay unshielded and tank their own points, and when someone unshields from a bracket where an alliance mate's standing is in jeoparty, they are told about it and have the task of hitting them as fast as possible, as many times as possible...

Oh my...that is...that is brilliant.

Consider that after donating those grunts are at pretty low point totals. Meaning if they queued highly placed opponents, their snipes will take out 40+ point chunks.

People don't like seeing guys without viable teams climbing to high positions without ever fighting though, so it might happen that all the other high placing people in that bracket all decide to boost one guy so the Booster doesn't get 1st. If that happens (as it has... Recently) you have an entire Alliance working on boosting a single guy and everyone fails to make high placement and that guy doesn't end up getting 1st. So it can be just a huge waste of time, effort and hp, but when it works, it works pretty well.

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So even though it might sound silly to people outside, in reality high level pvp has a ton of strategy, tense moments, grudge matches, and lucky breaks. It's really an entire parallel game that was spawned from legally exploiting certain game mechanisms, and it's a lot more fun than hitting pve nodes six times in a row before a clock runs out.

woopie

ark123 wrote:

woopie wrote:

onimus wrote:

Nope.
Swing away, my friend.

PVP is a graveyard. A coliseum. They knew the rules when they entered it.

Now, if you're in a truce or a battle chat, that's a different story.

But I'm assuming you're alone since you don't do PVP often.

You have no bindings. Go for the highest score you can.

If you queue them before you unshield, go ahead and give them time.

But if you are unshielded and find them, don't wait 5 minutes for their sake. You are on the clock too. You need to get your points and re-shield.

Echos my thoughts as well. Most of my alliance members are in the BCs but I couldn't care less. I only have so much time to play in a day so that usually means climbing to 600~650 in the hours before and doing a final climb in the last 3 hours. Usually I can get to 1k with a single 3 hour shield, but that depends heavily on other folks doing the actual shield hopping to get me those 26+ point targets in the 800+ range. Only people I actively avoid are my own alliance mates.

Nice that people can play pvp however they want and have a good time, huh.

Yes. I mean no. People should remain respectful of the people going for those 1500+ scores and wait the 5 minutes for them to shield or ping them on Line to ensure they are shielded. I mean you wouldn't want your alliance commander to get a bunch of notes complaining about some idiot sniper in his alliance. Hail Hydra

JamieMadrox

lokiagentofhotness wrote:

Jamie Madrox wrote:

Absolutely. Everyone's play styles are different, but I also think that play styles can change if more is known about the game. My play style has changed a few times over the last year and always because I learned/understood the game better.

And you're 100% right about being in a top 100 alliance. It's critical to the 3* transition to be getting that extra cover every event.

We might also just have different definitions of what high-level PVP means though - what's your definition of the top level PVP gameplay / style?

For me high-level PVP is top 5 alliance, maybe top 10, and players that can reach the scores needed to be in a top alliance.

El Satanno wrote:

morgh wrote:

Yeah, what top alliances are doing is the "booster" tactic - Person A designated as point receiver is up and shielded and will be unshielding in ~30 minutes. The "grunts" (point donors) are now given an order to climb up for that time of 30 minutes, and once the person A unshields, they are to Q that person and retreat to them as many times as possible...
And of course there are some people who are "snipers" - not only do they donate points, but also stay unshielded and tank their own points, and when someone unshields from a bracket where an alliance mate's standing is in jeoparty, they are told about it and have the task of hitting them as fast as possible, as many times as possible...

Oh my...that is...that is brilliant.

It's been going on since before season started so I'm surprised this is news to anyone.

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I've been thinking this thread over the weekend, and decided to try and move towards some of the comments here. Still poking around on LINE though, as I just downloaded it on lunch. I may have to also investigate a new alliance. Mine is non-serious but I think maybe more active group would be more fun.

lokiagentofhotness

Jamie Madrox wrote:

For me high-level PVP is top 5 alliance, maybe top 10, and players that can reach the scores needed to be in a top alliance.

So basically you're talking about the gameplay style of...100 people, max?

Unknown

lokiagentofhotness wrote:

Jamie Madrox wrote:

For me high-level PVP is top 5 alliance, maybe top 10, and players that can reach the scores needed to be in a top alliance.

So basically you're talking about the gameplay style of...100 people, max?

He's exaggerating. Top1-10 don't do anything top20-50 don't do, they just do it more often and more in a more organized and consistent manner.

lokiagentofhotness

ark123 wrote:

lokiagentofhotness wrote:

Jamie Madrox wrote:

For me high-level PVP is top 5 alliance, maybe top 10, and players that can reach the scores needed to be in a top alliance.

So basically you're talking about the gameplay style of...100 people, max?

He's exaggerating. Top1-10 don't do anything top20-50 don't do, they just do it more often and more in a more organized and consistent manner.

Sounds like a lot of work and effort, but hey if it works for people, more power to them.

Unknown

Wow, i have been playing on and off for a year and this is the first time I have heard of this.

Granted I left the game just as alliances were being put in, so I guess I missed a lot. Always thought of MPQ as a solo game, so never occurred to me that I needed to coordinate anything with my alliance.

[B)
"learn something new every day"

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dzone23 wrote:

Wow, i have been playing on and off for a year and this is the first time I have heard of this.

Granted I left the game just as alliances were being put in, so I guess I missed a lot. Always thought of MPQ as a solo game, so never occurred to me that I needed to coordinate anything with my alliance.

[B)
"learn something new every day"

You don't need to. We see lone wolves every pvp.But it's way more fun, and you get to know an entire subculture with long standing feuds, sworn enemies, cursed snipers and a bunch more fun people. Most don't really take it seriously but we pretend.

El Satanno

ark123 wrote:

Consider that after donating those grunts are at pretty low point totals. Meaning if they queued highly placed opponents, their snipes will take out 40+ point chunks.

People don't like seeing guys without viable teams climbing to high positions without ever fighting though, so it might happen that all the other high placing people in that bracket all decide to boost one guy so the Booster doesn't get 1st. If that happens (as it has... Recently) you have an entire Alliance working on boosting a single guy and everyone fails to make high placement and that guy doesn't end up getting 1st. So it can be just a huge waste of time, effort and hp, but when it works, it works pretty well.

Once more, mind = blown. I was really looking at this from the perspective of utilizing the strategy to help people hit progression rewards. I roll with a bunch of transitioners and I was thinking, "Oh man, that would really help Mr./Ms. X get that cover at 700!" I am not exaggerating to say I hadn't even considered placement. Kinda weird...and stupid...now that I think about it.

On a completely unrelated note, I am full of giggles getting to see my favorite gif all over this thread.