Everyone pumped for Iron Fist and X-Force combo?

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The_Valeyard wrote:

Less than 1% of all fights are probably fully boosted. It makes no sense to design AP cost based on that small of a percent.

Some version of this thinking is how we ended up with several months of nothing but Sentry bombing as far as the eye could see. You can't design anything in a vacuum, which is why balancing games like this as time goes on gets harder and harder as you add more and more things that have to interact without breaking one system or another.

Honestly though I'm more concerned about that automatic attack tile. 500 damage every turn until you kill the tinykitty and then find a way to get rid of it just doesn't sound like a good time to me. Other than big target hunting I can't see myself bothering with that nonsense. That's what the skip button is for.

Also I can't wait to see the level 300+ version in the next Gauntlet or Sim event. 1k+ attack tile? What fun!

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Why would you not go into any fight with at least all the iso 8 boosts once you've a good roster going? Do people really think there should be a reason to be leveling up every random character to max level so that they'd never have the spare iso 8 around? I try to maximize my iso 8/HP gain but if there's a cover I care about, the cost of the iso 8 boosts is certainly paltry compared to the prize, and any issues that may arise from iso 8 boosts are also relevent to HP boosts as the AP+3 all boost is just a bigger version of the iso 8 boosts, so it's not like you'll ever have a case where a character is somehow okay for iso 8 boosts but not HP boosts or vice versa. If a character is a good with one kind of boosts he's also good with the other kind of boost as well.

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No, not pumped at all. It just means that the paying customers will get to enjoy dominating everyone else who will try to compete with an incomplete version for 3-4 months until they nerf him. And he just happens to cover purple which is the one color the XF/4hor misses. What a joke. We've seen this before, in several occasions; it goes back in the 2* Thorverine era. Release broken heroes, everyone rushes in to buy covers that will ensure top positions in pve and pvp and 4 months later the devs come to the rescue and balance (properly this time - or even nerf to the ground occasionally) the said hero because they value balance so much. Hence the p2w aspect of the game. I find this strategy to make money from a product the most despicable I can think. Unless of course this is an issue of incompetence. You can't have the huge majority of the player base recognize that a hero is completely broken, and the devs not realizing this. Was he even tested? What a silly question, you will answer.

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Narkon wrote:

No, no pumped at all. It just means that the paying customers will get to enjoy dominating everyone else who will try to compete with an incomplete version for 3-4 months until they nerf him. We've seen this before, in several occasions; it goes back in the 2* Thorverine. Release broken heroes, everyone rushes in to buy covers that will ensure top positions in pve and pvp and 4 months later the devs come to the rescue and balance (properly this time - or even nerf to the ground occasionally) the said hero because they value balance so much. Hence the p2w aspect of the game. I find this strategy to make money from a product the most despicable I can think. Unless of course this is an issue of incompetence. You can't have the huge majority of the player base recognize that a hero is completely broken, and the devs not realizing this. Was he even tested? What a silly question, you will answer.

I think Iron Fist's existence can be explained by incompetence alone, though that does paint a rather grim picture for the future of the game. However, I cannot see this game working on a greedy, P2W model, because if that was the goal, X Force would never have been the most powerful 4* as he is easily the most available 4* in the game along with Invisible Woman when he become godlike. If your goal is to make money, you'd just leave him as weak and make the new 4*s powerful for more money. The fact that none of the new 4*s come close to his power (Thor is just there for the ride on the X Force train) makes me think there isn't an effort, or at least not a successful one, to get people to buy 4*s.

ronin_san

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Also please don't think "oh hes not better than XF / GT so he's fine". Iron Fist is a THREE STAR CHARACTER. If your definition is that a 3* character is "fine" because he doesn't replace a 4* character that is like 100% better than all existing 3*s, then I don't know what to say. Iron Fist should be compared to other 3* characters, in which case he's basically miles better than LazyThor when paired with a good black (BP / X-Force), and if LazyThor is considered far and away the best dps 3* character, then I'm pretty sure we have a problem on our hands for the 3* metagame.

I will address this. To say a 3* must be worse than a 4* suggests tons of rework, and that isn't going to happen. bagman is worse than 1* Storm or Juggernaut. Doc Ock is worse than OBW, Ares, or 2* Thor....

And the same with Elektra, IW, and arguably Fury<-- especially arguable. Many of us would take BP, IF, or even LThor over fury.

But to suggest because he is the best now that he is broken, means nothing. Really. They will neuter him out of usability after the whales spend $$ on covers and recoup their investment. We have seen it time and again. Spidey. CMags. Sentry.....

I would not be the least bit surprised if his skills get "re-costed" in a future patch. As a matter of fact, I see it happening in less than 6 patches. I will eat a sock if it takes longer than that. I'll make sock au vin.


The term that most fits IF's initial overpowered-ness is "introductory awesome". He has copious amounts of that.

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Phantron wrote:

Narkon wrote:

No, no pumped at all. It just means that the paying customers will get to enjoy dominating everyone else who will try to compete with an incomplete version for 3-4 months until they nerf him. We've seen this before, in several occasions; it goes back in the 2* Thorverine. Release broken heroes, everyone rushes in to buy covers that will ensure top positions in pve and pvp and 4 months later the devs come to the rescue and balance (properly this time - or even nerf to the ground occasionally) the said hero because they value balance so much. Hence the p2w aspect of the game. I find this strategy to make money from a product the most despicable I can think. Unless of course this is an issue of incompetence. You can't have the huge majority of the player base recognize that a hero is completely broken, and the devs not realizing this. Was he even tested? What a silly question, you will answer.

I think Iron Fist's existence can be explained by incompetence alone, though that does paint a rather grim picture for the future of the game. However, I cannot see this game working on a greedy, P2W model, because if that was the goal, X Force would never have been the most powerful 4* as he is easily the most available 4* in the game along with Invisible Woman when he become godlike. If your goal is to make money, you'd just leave him as weak and make the new 4*s powerful for more money. The fact that none of the new 4*s come close to his power (Thor is just there for the ride on the X Force train) makes me think there isn't an effort, or at least not a successful one, to get people to buy 4*s.

Wow...you need to be nerfed cause your post count is insane and far exceeds the damage of SS and XForce...seriously though...wow 7k!!!! You should be classified as SHIELD grand champion of all the forumverse not just psi-ops agent whatever that is.

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Phantron wrote:

I think Iron Fist's existence can be explained by incompetence alone, though that does paint a rather grim picture for the future of the game. However, I cannot see this game working on a greedy, P2W model, because if that was the goal, X Force would never have been the most powerful 4* as he is easily the most available 4* in the game along with Invisible Woman when he become godlike. If your goal is to make money, you'd just leave him as weak and make the new 4*s powerful for more money. The fact that none of the new 4*s come close to his power (Thor is just there for the ride on the X Force train) makes me think there isn't an effort, or at least not a successful one, to get people to buy 4*s.

Even if XF is the best covered 4* in the game, many (most actually) players still don't have him in a usable state. And let's not forget the ISO you need to feed him. Unless I am mistaken, he needs around 200k to bring him in the low 200s or over 400k to max him. I bet the game makes more from ISO sales than it does from HP sales and a fully covered but low level op 4* is the best way to boost sales. You don't need to wait for the players to get the covers. You just have to remind them that they can max him instantly by using the amazing offers at the store. How much was it? €90 for 78k ISO? Oh wait, you need 5x for him to really shine. €450 for a 260 XF. Deal of a lifetime. Now go wreck the opposition because they don't pay us.

Edit: I just noticed I have 1/10 of your posts. I feel so puny.

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ronin-san wrote:

I would not be the least bit surprised if his skills get "re-costed" in a future patch. As a matter of fact, I see it happening in less than 6 patches. I will eat a sock if it takes longer than that. I'll make sock au vin.

I think BP holds the record of a fix (or was it Psylocke and her blue?). If I remember correctly, his black was tweaked even before the pve that introduced him finished. I could be wrong though and the fix happened after a couple of days. It was so long ago and I am 1 year older now.

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Narkon wrote:

ronin-san wrote:

I would not be the least bit surprised if his skills get "re-costed" in a future patch. As a matter of fact, I see it happening in less than 6 patches. I will eat a sock if it takes longer than that. I'll make sock au vin.

I think BP holds the record of a fix (or was it Psylocke and her blue?). If I remember correctly, his black was tweaked even before the pve that introduced him finished. I could be wrong though and the fix happened after a couple of days. It was so long ago and I am 1 year older now.

I think they both got fixed in the same timeline (between event where they're announced and before the event ended). Bewilder went from 8 AP to 10 AP, and ROTP used to do about 25% more damage than it currently does.

It's somewhat mystifying that they seem to be on the lookout for imbalance like Bewilder being too cheap (seriously?) and yet there's nothing wrong with Iron Fist's abilities.

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I come to these forums and I get confuzzled by the mixed messages I see here. I know it's a forum and opposing views are mandatory for it to be worthwhile, but seriously, why all the hate on Iron Fist? Cyclops was good, but Iron Fist is phenomenal and both of these are 3*, not the mythical all too expensive only for whales 4* class. Hell, Luke Cage is really good too and he's also a 3*. Do you really want to compare against the recent 4* releases and see which characters are actually better?

So many complaints about a 4* that's been around forever and was in fact awful at the start, enough for people to trash his covers. I view these recent 3* releases (with more health btw) as a means by the developers to give folks more options to compete at the higher end. Sure, they aren't going to replace a 4* (they aren't designed to), but they improve your chances to compete by a positive margin.

The 4hor/XF teams aren't going to change their comp so long as the featured pvp exists, so it doesn't benefit them in high end pvp, but now the 3* teams have a better chance at competing with shield hops.

4* aren't supposed to be easy to obtain, but 3* certainly are easier, especially with DDQ now in the game. More high health, powerful 3* aren't a bad thing, in fact it may slightly level the playing field a bit (granted, not a lot), but it's still a step in the right direction.

ronin_san

Narkon wrote:

ronin-san wrote:

I would not be the least bit surprised if his skills get "re-costed" in a future patch. As a matter of fact, I see it happening in less than 6 patches. I will eat a sock if it takes longer than that. I'll make sock au vin.

I think BP holds the record of a fix (or was it Psylocke and her blue?). If I remember correctly, his black was tweaked even before the pve that introduced him finished. I could be wrong though and the fix happened after a couple of days. It was so long ago and I am 1 year older now.

CALLED IT!!! nerf inbound. But I expected patches, not weeks. Man. The ROI is really a diminishing return.

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ronin-san wrote:

Narkon wrote:

ronin-san wrote:

I would not be the least bit surprised if his skills get "re-costed" in a future patch. As a matter of fact, I see it happening in less than 6 patches. I will eat a sock if it takes longer than that. I'll make sock au vin.

I think BP holds the record of a fix (or was it Psylocke and her blue?). If I remember correctly, his black was tweaked even before the pve that introduced him finished. I could be wrong though and the fix happened after a couple of days. It was so long ago and I am 1 year older now.

CALLED IT!!! nerf inbound. But I expected patches, not weeks. Man. The ROI is really a diminishing return.

<golf clap> Your call was pretty broad and fairly apparent...but I'll give it you...nice.

ronin_san

At least I am not eating socks.