Third 2* to max

thisone
thisone Posts: 655 Critical Contributor
edited February 2015 in MPQ General Discussion
Hello all, am having some trouble with the Deadpool daily quest 3* mission, currently have Thor and OBW maxed at level 94. Currently not sure who I should now focus on to give me the best chance of getting more 3* covers. My current 2* are:

Johhny Storm 59 5/4/3
Ms Marvel 50 5/5/3
A. Wolverine 50 5/5/3
M. Hawkeye 45 3/5/5
MN Magneto 38 3/3/2
C Storm 30 5/5/3
Daken 15 5/3/1
Ares 15 1/1/5

As you can see I am not having luck covering Mags, Ares and Daken. Am I doing the right thing by focusing on the torch? I have covered Storm today finally, and am considering pushing her, would have leveled her more but have been waiting for more Mags covers to run a Mag/Storm/Hawkeye team for PVE is this a mistake? Usually have no problem placing top 50 in most PVE events, a bit off the pace on this one due to the annoyance of the hand goons and some game crashes. But I get creamed on the second wave in the final DP Daily, Any advice? Thanks!
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  • rednailz
    rednailz Posts: 559
    Cstorm will serve you even long after you transition to 3* players. There's been nodes in pve and gauntlet especially where she has done things for me my 3* roster couldn't (especially when she's boosted), she's also a big hit in balance of power type pvp. But Ares is a force.

    The MMags / Cstorm / Hawk combo can be pretty devistating in pve.

    I personally wouldn't give torch any love. I would save your iso. Charecters like storm, mmags, obw, ares and even daken will serve you better and longer than torch. If you're dead set on spending ISO I'd say put it into wolvie. He's mroe useful
  • ynglink
    ynglink Posts: 195
    I would start with icon_storm.png, followed by icon_magneto.png and then either icon_wolverine.png or icon_hawkeye.png (Depending if you PvE or PvP more often)
  • thisone
    thisone Posts: 655 Critical Contributor
    Thanks for the advice, I will see how I fare with a Thor/OBW/CStorm team until I get some more covers.
  • ynglink
    ynglink Posts: 195
    *Note: The only reason why I would say icon_wolverine.png over icon_ares.png right now is because you have all the covers for icon_wolverine.png and he's still pretty good for climbing to 400 points in PvP
  • stowaway
    stowaway Posts: 501 Critical Contributor
    thisone wrote:
    Thanks for the advice, I will see how I fare with a Thor/OBW/CStorm team until I get some more covers.

    This is the combo I used this morning. MMN is a fun and flashy pairing with Storm, but if you need to clear away strike and attack tiles, this is the 2* team, especially against goons that are feeding red, yellow or green.
  • TazFTW
    TazFTW Posts: 695 Critical Contributor
    Does your OBW have 5 black covers? If so, I would max Wolverine for that strike tile/espionage goodness.
  • GothicKratos
    GothicKratos Posts: 1,821 Chairperson of the Boards
    thisone wrote:
    Hello all, am having some trouble with the Deadpool daily quest 3* mission, currently have Thor and OBW maxed at level 94. Currently not sure who I should now focus on to give me the best chance of getting more 3* covers. My current 2* are:

    Johhny Storm 59 5/4/3
    Ms Marvel 50 5/5/3
    A. Wolverine 50 5/5/3
    M. Hawkeye 45 3/5/5
    MN Magneto 38 3/3/2
    C Storm 30 5/5/3
    Daken 15 5/3/1
    Ares 15 1/1/5

    As you can see I am not having luck covering Mags, Ares and Daken. Am I doing the right thing by focusing on the torch? I have covered Storm today finally, and am considering pushing her, would have leveled her more but have been waiting for more Mags covers to run a Mag/Storm/Hawkeye team for PVE is this a mistake? Usually have no problem placing top 50 in most PVE events, a bit off the pace on this one due to the annoyance of the hand goons and some game crashes. But I get creamed on the second wave in the final DP Daily, Any advice? Thanks!

    The best advice is those survival nodes is in the first and third node, just kill the two scarier goons and prolong killing the last goon to gather as much AP as possible so you can take out anything that's scary in the waves with actual characters (i.e. wave 2 and 4). Your oBW should have five in Black and five in Blue - five in purple is a waste because the cost goes down by the same amount that the extra covers make it steal more in purple - so you get that extra umph on Black matches and get Blue going faster so you can manipulate CD tiles and heal yourself. From there, you build up abuncha AP and use oBW's pruple to keep their AP low-ish and when you go into the character waves, just unload Red > Yellow > Green as many times as your AP allows.

    As for who to focus on, personally, I'd go the Wolverine route, especially with DDP in consideration. His passive True Healing makes him a good meatshield if a CD tile goes off, and his Strike Tiles are amazing with oBW's Black, as well as magnifying any cascade damage created by Thor. Your Wolverine is also optimally covered already, so you got that going for you.

    I will say, in my experience, Torch is a good pair with oBW, but only if she's tanking Black for him - even better if you got somebody to cover Green and/or Red for him. He's really squishy, which makes him inherently handicapped for these types of things. What I usually do it just focus oBW's colors and match Red when possible, and just siphon off Greens via Recon to keep Torch as safe as possible, while still letting him put out good DPS. Just be careful with Torch's Black, because it lowers all the AP that isn't his colors when you cast it, so you can screw yourself out of a clutch Recon or a Gravity Device.

    From there, I would try really hard for Mags covers, because your Storm is optimally covered and Mags/Storm is the best pairing in 2* land, by far. The only pair arguably better is Ares/oBW just because they're a good defense team in PvP, but Mags/Storm can pretty much beat anything.

    Last bit of advice: Don't be afraid to buy some Purple/Blue +3 Boosts - at the end of the day, even if you bought two batches, you'll end up way ahead of the curve when you win.
  • DaveR4470
    DaveR4470 Posts: 931 Critical Contributor
    I'm going to disagree a tiny bit here. CStorm is an important character to level. That's very true.

    However, you have an immediate need, which is completing the DDQ. And for that, I'd actually suggest leveling up Wolvie before Storm. Why? Because Storm is acting at cross-purposes with both Thor and OBW. You're probably never going to use greentile.png Lightning Storm when you can just match a couple more green to fire off greentile.png Call the Storm. And bluetile.png Wind Storm, which is awesome and which you'll be using in your transition game a lot, steals OBW's healing ability. Her yellowtile.png passive can save your bacon, but only if everyone on the team is below 50% health.

    Wolvie gives you a highly complementary character to use with Thor and OBW. He's greentile.png / redtile.png , with redtile.png being the showstopper. Much more efficient than Thor's red, although it doesn't feed you yellow tiles. And Wolvie will heal himself while you build your yellow-to-green cycle for Thor. Or, if you prefer, he can use his green to feed strike tiles to OBW for Espionage purposes. (You need to get OBW to 5 blacktile.png as soon as you can, by the way, if you haven't already. That's non-negotiable!)

    Storm's best friend is MNMags. Pair the two of those with literally anyone else, and you will run roughshod. However, you need to start pulling down the Deadpool ISO to level them both up. So I'd go with the highest current utility player for you: Wolvie.

    Totally up to you, though. Storm is no slouch!

    [edit -- GothicKratos beat me to the punch. Great minds, etc! icon_e_smile.gif ]
  • RWTDBurn
    RWTDBurn Posts: 291
    thisone wrote:
    Hello all, am having some trouble with the Deadpool daily quest 3* mission, currently have Thor and OBW maxed at level 94. Currently not sure who I should now focus on to give me the best chance of getting more 3* covers. My current 2* are:

    Johhny Storm 59 5/4/3
    Ms Marvel 50 5/5/3
    A. Wolverine 50 5/5/3
    M. Hawkeye 45 3/5/5
    MN Magneto 38 3/3/2
    C Storm 30 5/5/3
    Daken 15 5/3/1
    Ares 15 1/1/5

    As you can see I am not having luck covering Mags, Ares and Daken. Am I doing the right thing by focusing on the torch? I have covered Storm today finally, and am considering pushing her, would have leveled her more but have been waiting for more Mags covers to run a Mag/Storm/Hawkeye team for PVE is this a mistake? Usually have no problem placing top 50 in most PVE events, a bit off the pace on this one due to the annoyance of the hand goons and some game crashes. But I get creamed on the second wave in the final DP Daily, Any advice? Thanks!

    C. Storm is fully covered and she is useful in the daily events. I would level her first and hope to get some more Ares covers as you go. Ares would by my first choice if you had the covers. For the nodes that require 2 star rosters I'm using cstorm/ares/OBW every time and breeze through them without much thought.
  • DaveR4470
    DaveR4470 Posts: 931 Critical Contributor
    RWTDBurn wrote:
    C. Storm is fully covered and she is useful in the daily events. I would level her first and hope to get some more Ares covers as you go. Ares would by my first choice if you had the covers. For the nodes that require 2 star rosters I'm using cstorm/ares/OBW every time and breeze through them without much thought.

    He (she?) has Thor, though. First priority should be to complete a three-char balanced team to 94; THEN you can start leveling up Ares, who's really an alternative to Thor, not someone you roll with him.

    [edit: Thor takes longer to get going than Ares, but cascades a lot thanks to the tile generation aspects of his red/yellow. Ares works faster, and can hit insanely hard if you gather enough green, but feeds green to the oppostion -- i.e. good luck using Ares against a well-covered Hulk -- and his yellow potentially costs a decent chunk of health if you can't protect the countdown node. You swap between the two based on who you're facing.]
  • GothicKratos
    GothicKratos Posts: 1,821 Chairperson of the Boards
    DaveR4470 wrote:
    RWTDBurn wrote:
    C. Storm is fully covered and she is useful in the daily events. I would level her first and hope to get some more Ares covers as you go. Ares would by my first choice if you had the covers. For the nodes that require 2 star rosters I'm using cstorm/ares/OBW every time and breeze through them without much thought.

    He (she?) has Thor, though. First priority should be to complete a three-char balanced team to 94; THEN you can start leveling up Ares, who's really an alternative to Thor, not someone you roll with him.

    Personally, Ares and Thor were the last two I leveled (and my Thor isn't optimally covered either). I almost always pretty much just use the following;

    a.) [Loaner/Hawkeye]/Magneto/Storm <--- Great for PvE, especially in The Gauntlet and Survival Nodes, but also good in PvP to beat some 3* teams.
    b.) [Loaner/Magneto]/Daken/Wolverine <
    Great to sustain through most PvE nodes and good in PvP to climb to around 250-300.
    c.) [Loaner/Daken]/Torch/oBw <---- Good DPS for goon nodes I don't think Wolverine/Daken can handle well without taking a ton of damage also for taking care of Hulk in PvP.

    Though, I will admit that [Loaner]/Ares/oBW is undoubtedly the best team to leave on defend for PvP.
  • thisone
    thisone Posts: 655 Critical Contributor
    Some food for thought. Thanks guys.

    Thor is 3/5/5 and widow is 3/5/5 too. Seen some mention of strike tiles and obw, i rarely use wolvies green as usually wait for call the storm, which is better? On survival nodes sometimes have 2-3 thor greens ready to blow away the named baddies. Just depends on board layout which is why storm seemed a good option. Being able to build yellow, blue and purple ap fast at start of match seems lots easier in pve than ddq. I will though start using boosts, also nearly got 28k dp points whales team up to go. Have a few daredevil and deadpool covers so would love to add to them if possible icon_e_smile.gif
  • ynglink
    ynglink Posts: 195
    I think it depends on the survival node you're doing. If you're doing ones in the main event, Wolvie I think is better (he's buffed right now too!) because he clogs up the red tiles and all they have a red and black abilities, with the red being the big damage dealers. In nodes where you have enough time to build up for the CotS, then Thor is better against the Hero waves (like in DDQ or one of the last survival nodes in the PvE event).
  • Classic storm was the last 2* I sold off...goes to show how powerful she was for a 2* despite that ridiculous low health. So I vote for her.
  • thisone
    thisone Posts: 655 Critical Contributor
    I'm fine in the pve been using thor/obw/cyclops, (though that's a good tip for strike tiles thanks). Have his black on 3 currently just wish I had some of his red for board clear, not tried ddq for a few days but got shulk cover today so will try out some new strats tomorrow.
  • GothicKratos
    GothicKratos Posts: 1,821 Chairperson of the Boards
    Personally, I don't like that CotS takes so long to warm up. It's good for a finishing blow in normal PvE nodes and in PvP, but it seems really lackluster here. I feel like you'd get more per capita damage from the Strike Tiles being present throughout the match (especially with oBW double dipping on them).

    Don't get me wrong, Thor is good and CotS is a great ability, but I don't like him/it for the long game.

    The other thing you have to keep in mind is, yeah, Thor is a beefy dude, but Wolverine's passive makes him last practically forever. Besides, if we're talking huge AP moves, I'd much rather save up for an Adamantium Slash than a Call of the Storm - especially considering that while you're building up red AP, you're Feral Claws are getting better.
  • stowaway
    stowaway Posts: 501 Critical Contributor
    DaveR4470 wrote:
    Because Storm is acting at cross-purposes with both Thor and OBW. You're probably never going to use greentile.png Lightning Storm when you can just match a couple more green to fire off greentile.png Call the Storm. And bluetile.png Wind Storm, which is awesome and which you'll be using in your transition game a lot, steals OBW's healing ability.

    In the very specific context of Deadpool daily, I don't think this is true. When you have one wave of goons to create/steal AP, followed by a wave of deadly characters (repeat), these abilities can synchronize well even though they're competing for colors. Especially when you have opponents that leave deadly tiles when they're downed.

    With 26 + green, you can Lightning Storm for 26 AP and cascades and still guarantee that there's enough to Call the Storm in the same turn. And I might prefer to Lightning Storm a second time, depending on whether there are still enemy specials on the board. With OBW and Thor (turning red into yellow, yellow into green) it's easy to get to 30 green, especially when the goons are feeding you the right colors. And being able to alternate between OBW and Storm's blue helps you keep the goon waves going as long as possible, so you can keep generating AP for the deadlier wave that comes next.
  • I've been using Thor/CStorm/OBW as my 2* survival team in Deadpool and to save health packs in Enemy of the State. Don't worry so much about the color overlaps, because they serve different purposes. You're only using Storm's green in an absolute emergency because Thor's green is your big gun, and OBW's blue is a just a panic button for nasty countdowns about to go off and emergency healing. She's really there for AP stealing. Whenever possible you should be saving blue for Wind Storm, for stunning lone board movers who show up and taking big chunks out of fresh waves. Use Thor's red to kill the last man of a wave and then be ready to unload your AoEs on the bad stuff in the last wave and you should be good to go.
  • user311
    user311 Posts: 482 Mover and Shaker
    Sell your OBW and start over but never go more than 1 purple.
  • ronin_san
    ronin_san Posts: 980 Critical Contributor
    rednailz wrote:
    Cstorm will serve you even long after you transition to 3* players. There's been nodes in pve and gauntlet especially where she has done things for me my 3* roster couldn't (especially when she's boosted), she's also a big hit in balance of power type pvp. But Ares is a force.

    The MMags / Cstorm / Hawk combo can be pretty devistating in pve.

    I personally wouldn't give torch any love. I would save your iso. Charecters like storm, mmags, obw, ares and even daken will serve you better and longer than torch. If you're dead set on spending ISO I'd say put it into wolvie. He's mroe useful

    Considering who you've already leveled, Wolverine would go extremely well with Thor and OBW. If you could level Daken, there's merit to go his way because he can full heal.

    This guy really gets it, though. Storm's well powerful, but squishy and against the direction you've leveled. Don't go Torch. I'd put off Storm unless you can level Magneto in tandem.