Big update for R70?

Phaserhawk

The devs seem to make big changes on the 10's. Anyone's thoughts for R70? I'm thinking we see Rag's with a 3rd color and a balance update on IM40, She-Hulk, and Beast. I'm sure there is going to be some other changes but the only one I'd make a bet on is a Rag's 3rd power.

Anyone else?

Unknown

Please do not mess with IM40. Rather, make a new IM character either a variance 3* or a 4* Iron Patriot.

I like IM40 the way he is for 4or and mainly for Heroic PVE's. How much? I have two, and if I had a third kidney, I'd sell it to buy a roster slot for a 3rd (possibly 4th and 5th).

Unknown

Given that Loki and Doom got third powers in the last two season breaks, I fully expect Ragnarok to get one next week (and Bullseye a month later). I'll be surprised if he doesn't.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone else gets rebalanced, but that's been much less consistent, and it seems like it's usually multiple people at once. Hopefully, they'll actually give us the rebalance list, but I suspect Invisible Woman is either at or near the top of it, followed by Beast. After that is less obvious. We may mainly see buffs for a while, as there don't appear to be any majorly OP 3* characters at the moment, and they've never nerfed a 4*.

Trisul

Ben Grimm wrote:

Given that Loki and Doom got third powers in the last two season breaks, I fully expect Ragnarok to get one next week (and Bullseye a month later). I'll be surprised if he doesn't.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone else gets rebalanced, but that's been much less consistent, and it seems like it's usually multiple people at once. Hopefully, they'll actually give us the rebalance list, but I suspect Invisible Woman is either at or near the top of it, followed by Beast. After that is less obvious. We may mainly see buffs for a while, as there don't appear to be any majorly OP 3* characters at the moment, and they've never nerfed a 4*.

Oh God, please don't buff Bullseye.

leeleeshine

It probably won't happen for a while, but i would like to see a change to the progression rewards in pvp.

SymmeTrey

If Rags gets buffed, I really hope that his others powers are rebalanced to account for the buff. He can already be a nightmare in PVE when he gets that red into green and back again chain going.

Unknown

Trisul wrote:

Oh God, please don't buff Bullseye.

I think there's a close to 100% chance it's going to happen. Once Ragnarok's fixed, he'll be the only non-1* without three powers.

Marc_Spector

Ben Grimm wrote:

Trisul wrote:

Oh God, please don't buff Bullseye.

I think there's a close to 100% chance it's going to happen. Once Ragnarok's fixed, he'll be the only non-1* without three powers.

I personally am still hoping they go the Daken route and release a ***/3-power "Bullseye (Classic)" in his original black&white costume

Phaserhawk

Marc Spector wrote:

Ben Grimm wrote:

Trisul wrote:

Oh God, please don't buff Bullseye.

I think there's a close to 100% chance it's going to happen. Once Ragnarok's fixed, he'll be the only non-1* without three powers.

I personally am still hoping they go the Daken route and release a ***/3-power "Bullseye (Classic)" in his original black&white costume

I see this happening as well, in fact I would all but guarentee that's how they will redo him. I can already see how they will do it to. First off, black will get redone completely, and his purple will remain the same but get scaled down.

I would almost say, have his black cost 6-9 AP and just be able to place 2 critical tiles, but in theory you could start to do some degerative things as well as increase chances of infinite turn. Because you could almost always create a match 5 doing that which creates another crit tile and if you had the AP, you can then create another one and another and if you get black on it you could in theory generate enough AP to keep casting black.

Then just go easy for his 3rd skill and make it like Chemical Reaction, Bullseye destroys x-protect tiles for damage.

JamieMadrox

leeleeshine wrote:

It probably won't happen for a while, but i would like to see a change to the progression rewards in pvp.

http://www.d3pforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22646

simonsez

Ben Grimm wrote:

Given that Loki and Doom got third powers in the last two season breaks, I fully expect Ragnarok to get one next week

Because it's not like he kicks my **** hard enough as it is?

rednailz

Ben Grimm wrote:

Trisul wrote:

Oh God, please don't buff Bullseye.

I think there's a close to 100% chance it's going to happen. Once Ragnarok's fixed, he'll be the only non-1* without three powers.

where is it written that everyone NEEDS 3 abilities? That's lame. I'd say bullseye is about where he should be and Rags certainly doesn't need a 3rd power, are you kidding? He's already an infinite loop machine on his own. Bullseye is a 2* and is decently strong and useful for what he is. I think giving daken CR was pretty lame from a general standpoint, but it was a good move from player's standpoint since it made him more usuable.

rednailz

simonsez wrote:

Ben Grimm wrote:

Given that Loki and Doom got third powers in the last two season breaks, I fully expect Ragnarok to get one next week

Because it's not like he kicks my **** hard enough as it is?

Doom and Loki were underpowered in the game and compared to where their charecters should be from the get go...rags is not.

leeleeshine

Jamie Madrox wrote:

leeleeshine wrote:

It probably won't happen for a while, but i would like to see a change to the progression rewards in pvp.

http://www.d3pforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22646

Wow, that was quick. 4 star at a 1000 seems totally obtainable with a decent 3 star roster too.

Phaserhawk

If indeed Rags is getting his 3rd power, which there is no reason not to think that there a few things I see.

1.) Green will be completely reworked. They don't like skills going down by AP, so I fully expect this skill to cost 10AP but actually do damage, I wouldn't be suprised if it's a modified version of Thor's yellow.

2.) Red I think will be exactly as is. It may scale up a ittle in damage but don't look for this one to be different.

3.) 3rd power color. Rags doesn't have a 3rd strongest color so what he gest I have no idea, my guess would be yellow to stay with the theme he is a Thor clone, but I could see black as well to make him slightly different than Thor.

Unknown

rednailz wrote:

simonsez wrote:

Ben Grimm wrote:

Given that Loki and Doom got third powers in the last two season breaks, I fully expect Ragnarok to get one next week

Because it's not like he kicks my **** hard enough as it is?

Doom and Loki were underpowered in the game and compared to where their charecters should be from the get go...rags is not.

I think if Rags gets a third power, they might slightly nerf his other two (raising the cost to 7 from 6 would probably be enough). But while Rags is a giant pain in PVE, you almost never see him in PVP, so calling him overpowered is pretty arguable - with normal scaling he's really annoying, and combos well with certain characters in PVP, especially if they're overscaled and overleveled, or AP-generating goons, he's not super-dangerous on his own.

rednailz

Ben Grimm wrote:

rednailz wrote:

simonsez wrote:

Ben Grimm wrote:

Given that Loki and Doom got third powers in the last two season breaks, I fully expect Ragnarok to get one next week

Because it's not like he kicks my **** hard enough as it is?

Doom and Loki were underpowered in the game and compared to where their charecters should be from the get go...rags is not.

I think if Rags gets a third power, they might slightly nerf his other two (raising the cost to 7 from 6 would probably be enough). But while Rags is a giant pain in PVE, you almost never see him in PVP, so calling him overpowered is pretty arguable - with normal scaling he's really annoying, and combos well with certain characters in PVP, especially if they're overscaled and overleveled, or AP-generating goons, he's not super-dangerous on his own.

Yeah but 99.9% of where he ever was or will be used (after his nerf) is pve so that's teh concern for 99% of player base. For pvp the only relevant people are xforce and lady thor, so I don't think buffing him will do squat to pvp

Marc_Spector

Phaserhawk wrote:

Marc Spector wrote:

I personally am still hoping they go the Daken route and release a ***/3-power "Bullseye (Classic)" in his original black&white costume

I see this happening as well, in fact I would all but guarentee that's how they will redo him. I can already see how they will do it to. First off, black will get redone completely, and his purple will remain the same but get scaled down.

I would almost say, have his black cost 6-9 AP and just be able to place 2 critical tiles, but in theory you could start to do some degerative things as well as increase chances of infinite turn. Because you could almost always create a match 5 doing that which creates another crit tile and if you had the AP, you can then create another one and another and if you get black on it you could in theory generate enough AP to keep casting black.

Then just go easy for his 3rd skill and make it like Chemical Reaction, Bullseye destroys x-protect tiles for damage.

All great ideas, Phaserhawk. Yes, I really don't see why they couldn't/wouldn't use the addition of ***Daken as the introduction model for a ***Bullseye.
- Predictably scale down his purple but make it create two protect tiles at 5 covers in the *** version only (There seem to be so many new ways in-game to create OR account-for protect tiles, so the devs clearly want defence to be a thought-about part of the game.)
- Tweak black to be more useable
- add 3rd power that interacts with purple and/or black in some risk/reward fashion.
Done.

simonsez

Ben Grimm wrote:

But while Rags is a giant pain in PVE, you almost never see him in PVP

That's because there are two versions of Godlike Power. The one where the AI does it and gets at least one crit every time, and the one where you do it and don't even get a f''ing cascade.

rednailz

Marc Spector wrote:

Phaserhawk wrote:

Marc Spector wrote:

I personally am still hoping they go the Daken route and release a ***/3-power "Bullseye (Classic)" in his original black&white costume

I see this happening as well, in fact I would all but guarentee that's how they will redo him. I can already see how they will do it to. First off, black will get redone completely, and his purple will remain the same but get scaled down.

I would almost say, have his black cost 6-9 AP and just be able to place 2 critical tiles, but in theory you could start to do some degerative things as well as increase chances of infinite turn. Because you could almost always create a match 5 doing that which creates another crit tile and if you had the AP, you can then create another one and another and if you get black on it you could in theory generate enough AP to keep casting black.

Then just go easy for his 3rd skill and make it like Chemical Reaction, Bullseye destroys x-protect tiles for damage.

All great ideas, Phaserhawk. Yes, I really don't see why they couldn't/wouldn't use the addition of ***Daken as the introduction model for a ***Bullseye.
- Predictably scale down his purple but make it create two protect tiles at 5 covers in the *** version only (There seem to be so many new ways in-game to create OR account-for protect tiles, so the devs clearly want defence to be a thought-about part of the game.)
- Tweak black to be more useable
- add 3rd power that interacts with purple and/or black in some risk/reward fashion.
Done.

why do we need 3* versions of every 2* in the game? Lazy copies are just that - lazy. There's a million more charecters they could intruduce. In the marvel world there is also no such thing as a 3* power bullseye....he's a pretty small fish IMO.

Unknown

rednailz wrote:

Yeah but 99.9% of where he ever was or will be used (after his nerf) is pve so that's teh concern for 99% of player base. For pvp the only relevant people are xforce and lady thor, so I don't think buffing him will do squat to pvp

Remember, there is a huge chunk of the playerbase that doesn't and will never have a usable 4*. They're the ones who might use an upgraded Ragnarok. I'll see one of them use him now in PVP ever so often because he's the only 3* they have a decent number of covers for.