Tokens are depressing.

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  • Unknown
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    Perfect chance to test out those drop rate percentages. Open all of them tell us how many 3* or above you get! I did what you did once, roughly the same quantities, ended up with 5-7 gold covers if i remember correctly. 1 was a 4hor too i think.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    here:
    http://outofthefog.net/CommonNonBehavio ... ement.html

    Every single ftp mobile game uses the "random chance" mechanic for this exact reason. If you're into behavioral psychology this forum is a feast also, you can see examples of this every other day:

    http://www2.psychology.uiowa.edu/facult ... avior.html

    This is what drives people to hold back tokens. They once opened five tokens in a row and they were all 3*, so in their minds they found the magic cheat code for the game.
  • ballingbees
    ballingbees Posts: 208 Tile Toppler
    I think vaulting is another contributing factor that promotes hoarding tokens behavoir. People want to gratify themselves by trying to draw the specific character they are looking for, vaulting makes them hold back, in wait for their target to rotate out. And it stops whales from splurging on packs because their targets are out of rotation.

    Not sure why they came up with a system that hurts players and themselves, hopefully they can find a solution to vaulting soon.
  • lukewin
    lukewin Posts: 1,356 Chairperson of the Boards
    After a serious drought (pretty sure it's been weeks), I have been on a roll regarding Golds from tokens, and a lot of them are coming from Standard tokens, which makes it even more enjoyable. Have gotten 5th Rocket/Groot Blue (which means I don't need PVP alliance or T100 cover), a Mystique Blue (already maxed), Cap Marvel yellow (which allowed me to go from 4/5/4 to 3/5/5). Got a Fury yellow (allowed me to go from 4/5/4 to 5/5/3) from Top 2 finish in Alaska, but the 5 other event tokens I've gotten over The Hunt have been 2*s. Don't need to wait to respec Fury from the day 4xx resupplies now.
  • SnowcaTT
    SnowcaTT Posts: 3,487 Chairperson of the Boards
    I think every time the token drop rate issue comes up I try to fix two birds with one stone: don't vault anyone, raise token 3* drop percentage to about 10%.

    Plusses:
    Any character can be had at any time - and your chance of getting the "perfect" one stays similar.
    You look forward to opening tokens (might be something!) rather than shrugging, almost certain it will be garbage again.
    There are so many 3* characters now that it takes much longer to get them covered - higher drops help.
    Moving into 4* land makes these "worth" less in any case.
    Also helps ISO problem, extra covers to sell more often.
    Would sell more token packs for D3.

    Minuses:
    Um....
  • RyanL24
    RyanL24 Posts: 54
    Hi everybody!

    First I'd like to say thank you to you all for the fabulous replies. I was expecting one person to reply, and all they would say would be: "Suck it up Nancy, it is what it is." But no... you guys were awesome about it. So I thank you!

    Second, I'd like to apologize for taking so very long to reply. A little about me... I leave for work in the morning at 6:30 AM, open the office at 7:30 AM and work until 4:30 PM. Then I go upstairs to my second job and work from 5:00 PM - 9:00 PM. I have very little time to do anything like post in a forum. The only reason I get to play MPQ so much is because job #1 is rather boring and they don't mind if I play on my phone while I'm waiting for something to do. So that rocks!


    Third... I finally broke down and opened all of my tokens. It was actually a blast! I was occasionally doing the standard tokens, opening 50 at a time (or however many it took to get a 3*), and sometimes hoping that momentum would carry over into the Heroic Tokens and open one of those (never worked, lol.)

    When I sat down and finally opened them, I had 195 Standards and 179 2*+ tokens for a total of 374. Quite a collection! There was some really good stuff, and some really bad stuff. Particularly disappointing were the Deadpool's Daily, which for some reason I was really excited about. I thought they were going to be the bomb. I had 34 of them, and pulled 33x 2* and 1x 3*. Ouch. There were plenty of bitter experiences like that... Meet Rocket & Groot: 5 chances, all 2*; Thick as Thieves: 5 chances, all 2*; The Hunt: 7 chances, all 2*; Simulator: 7 chances, all 2*. But opening all at once like this really helped to take the sting out of those flops. I got some really great stuff! On these: Hot Shot, Ask Questions Later, Army of One, and Fly-Fight-Win: I had 1 chance, and got one 3* token. I had 14 ISO-8 Brotherhoods, and got 3x 3* and a 4*. I had 2 Heroic 10-packs. I got another one of those pure 2* packs which made me so sad. BUT, then I turned around opened another one directly after it; it yielded 4x 3*s and a 4*. Amazing! Overall, here is what I pulled...

    195 Standards:
    7 x 3* Covers

    179 2*:
    152 x 2* Covers

    24 x 3* Covers

    4 X :
    icon_ironfist.png Iron Fist came a long way in one day! greenflag.pnggreenflag.pngblackflag.pngpurpleflag.png
    3 X :
    icon_cyclops.png Cyclops yellowflag.pngyellowflag.pngblackflag.png
    icon_gamora.png Gamora redflag.pngredflag.pngredflag.png
    icon_magneto.png Magneto yellowflag.pngblueflag.pngblueflag.png
    2 X :
    icon_blackwidow.png Black Widow purpleflag.pngredflag.png
    icon_blade.png Blade greenflag.pnggreenflag.png
    icon_daken.png Daken blueflag.pngblackflag.png
    icon_doctordoom.png Doctor Doom blueflag.pngblackflag.png
    icon_lukecage.png Luke Cage redflag.pngredflag.png
    icon_punisher.png Punisher greenflag.pngblackflag.png
    1 X :
    icon_daredevil.png Daredevil redflag.png
    icon_humantorch.png Human Torch blackflag.png
    icon_wolverine.png Patch yellowflag.png
    icon_hood.png The Hood yellowflag.png
    icon_spiderman.png Spider-Man yellowflag.png
    icon_squirrelgirl.png Squirrel Girl purpleflag.png

    3 x 4* Covers
    icon_nickfury.png Nick Fury blueflag.png
    icon_thor.png Thor blueflag.png
    icon_starlord.png Star-Lord yellowflag.png



    So my roster was drastically improved in one day! And of all of those 3*, there was only one that I didn't need! Which I guess is one benefit of having so few characters with 5 covers in any one given color. (The one I missed out on was pretty sad, it was a Patch Yellow. Patch is one of my favorite and most used characters, and he is at 1/2/5. So OF COURSE it had to be a Yellow that I pulled... icon_lol.gif ) Ah, and after working on the stuff above, I realized there was actually another one that I didn't need in the end. My Gamora was sitting at 2/3/0, and I pulled 3 Reds, so now she's at 2/5/0 and I had to throw a Red away. Sniffle. icon_cry.gif


    Anyways, thanks for reading. I thought now would be a good time to post since I can't actually play the game due to the technical difficulties. Hopefully this thread will entertain and take your mind off the pain of having no MPQ to play. icon_e_biggrin.gif
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    They should make more token reward types...even a 3*/4* wild card lets you boost whatever cover you want, you just have to have one already. Roster spot tokens would also be awesome and hp rewards. It doesn't even have to be the 250hp or 1000hp how about some 25/50 hp rewards from tokens that are equal in chance as 2*s. They already started down this path with the hp rewards in ddq. If they can add a lot of other things to replace some of the 2*s so I don't have to sell my 498th moonstone, it may help to prevent this stigma around tokens and make it something I actually want to try and obtain.

    Lightning rounds are a good example...good source of ISO but I just have no desire to try and get the Lightning tokens, I've gotten them before through much effort and the inevitable moonstone reward just deters me from even trying for it. Just some random thoughts on this.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    You are not the only one who is feeling down every time you open a token. I was saving my tokens for 1 week after I decided to save myself of the daily disappointment, but I returned very tired yesterday from work and needed something to boost my spirit. I should have know better. I opened them all (40-50 standard, 15 heroic/event tokens) and got exactly zero 3 star.png. At this point even if you get a 3 star.png , it is so rare to get something you can actually use, that it makes them practically useless. Imo, they have to make some changes in order to keep players from feeling like they are not making progress despite playing way too many hours. Here are some of them.

    1. Keep the heroics as they are, but introduce 3-4 new tokens with each of them offering access to only 9-12 3 star.png (each hero has a 1.5% to drop) so when players get a 3 star.png have a higher chance to get what they need. This would also solve the problem with heroes being vaulted and new players having no access to them for many months.
    2. Introduce a wild 3 star.png cover in heroic tokens which drops with 0.5-0.7% and can be used to level any 3 star.png ability.
    3. A 10-pack should have a guaranteed 3 star.png, |OR | make it so that if by the time you open the 9th cover you haven't found a 3 star.png, the 10th becomes a wild cover.

    Edit: I just read EpicBeastmode's suggestion and is essentially the same as my wild cover. Great minds ...
  • El Satanno
    El Satanno Posts: 1,005 Chairperson of the Boards
    Hey OP, gratz on your pulls! I just posted my own experience with this sort of mass-opening. Something about opening tons of tokens does make it easier to bear the inevitably overwhelming disappointment. That's why I'm going to hoard all my tokens again this season. icon_e_smile.gif Anyway, I'm quite jealous, as I was really hoping to pull Cyclops and Iron Fist. You got seven and I got zero. Boohoo.

    Now enjoy finding the Iso to level them up!
  • Uthgarprime
    Uthgarprime Posts: 202 Tile Toppler
    I feel you with the tokens, I can't really complain about standards, they do ok. I did pull 3 4 *s in 2 days once from 2 event and 1 standard token. I like event tokens its where I get most of my 3* covers. Gold tokens are completely useless, I consider it 250 ISO. Out of 33 golds I have gotten 2 non 2* pulls. The percentages they list in the thing are so off its not even funny. says 16.4% should not be 2*'s, I'm rocking 6% non 2 *'s(yes I keep track for the year) Taco tokens I have 1 non 2 star but I did get 1k hp once. should be 14% non 2*s in taco draws, rocking 4.5%. Now I know the numbers don't have to match exactly but they shouldn't be less than half all the time either.
    I have a theory that the percents they list mean nothing and your chance of winning a non 2* is based on a completely different number than what the pack says. cause they numbers make 0 sense.
  • Xenoberyll
    Xenoberyll Posts: 647 Critical Contributor
    Ever since i had that streak of 50+ heroic and event tokens without a golden cover I try to see my tokens as an added bonus. Nothing to fight for but it's nice to get some even if it's only for ISO. That makes it really enjoyable when something good comes my way. Sometimes I still hope though and get disappointed icon_e_wink.gif
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    I actually submitted a question for the February was but like all good questions they just ignored it. This was my question.

    With the excessive release of 3* and 4*s. why not change heroic tokens and make them give a guaranteed 3* and keep 4*s rare, and make heroic tokens harder to earn?

    Even with a guarantee pull for a 3* it'll still take a long time to fully cover a hero just from heroics.
  • Polares
    Polares Posts: 2,643 Chairperson of the Boards
    Tokens as rewards for sub-events are ok, chances are very low, but you tipically win 5-10 tokens in an event so you should win at least one 3*

    The problem is if you miss one character or if you want to spend money into them to 'buy' a 3*. NEVER EVER DO THAT. Never buy a token for money, is like throwing that money to the trash. They should have two different type of tokens, one for rewards and one if you want to spend 'money' into them, maybe even create another type of currency for these tokens (a lot of veteran players have a lot of HP stored).

    PS: I am having a bad streak right now, I always win covers for colors I already have maxed. My Mystique is 3/5/3 and I think I have pulled like 10 blue covers or more :_(
    PS: I really really think that not all colors have the same chances, I can't prove it, but my luck is very biased or something is happening...
  • GrumpySmurf1002
    GrumpySmurf1002 Posts: 3,511 Chairperson of the Boards
    Teno1 wrote:
    I actually submitted a question for the February was but like all good questions they just ignored it. This was my question.

    With the excessive release of 3* and 4*s. why not change heroic tokens and make them give a guaranteed 3* and keep 4*s rare, and make heroic tokens harder to earn?

    Even with a guarantee pull for a 3* it'll still take a long time to fully cover a hero just from heroics.

    Currently, Heroic/Event tokens are between 200-400HP (excluding daily deal). That's with a 16-18% of a 2* (500hp to buy outright), 14-16% 3* (1250HP), 2.4% 4* (2500HP). Thus, a 200-400HP purchase gives out approximately 650HP worth of covers.

    If you did something simple as leave the 4* percentage at 2.4% and made the 3* the remaining 97.6%, you're up to 1280, or nearly double. So to keep the ROI relatively the same, they'd have to double the cost of all tokens.

    Of course, if they sell half as many they still break even, but something tells me sales on 800HP tokens would be considerably less than half compared to the current 400HP counterparts.

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