Spend ISO/Use Covers & Upcomming changes

nihilium

Im a little unsure here, so maybe someone could help me?

Concerning the upcomming changes in several characters Im really not sure if I should use covers of those characters I get at all or spend ISO on them...
Im really scared that I now use a 4th cover on a char and next week find out that Id better left the ability at 3 covers and thus can as well delete the char. Same goes for Iso. I really wanted to lvl up my 5/5/3 modern Hawkeye (psst lol) but now I dont know if I may have to delete him anyway because after the changes another built will be better *sigh*

Do we have any word on if we will get the possibility to change character builds later?
Or does this really mean we have to probably built all those 3skill characters on the list again?

Unknown

id say level the guys that you like playing and have fun playing them. the devs posted a list of which characters will be getting chnaged and the order in which it will be done. if you are worried about it that much, just stay away from the characters on the list. personally, id just level the guy that i like and enjoy them while they last. have fun. marc

Unknown

Hawkeye will be getting buffed. You should be fine investing some ISO in him

Unknown

It's the changes to wolverine and Thor that intrest me. I feel wolverine going down but Thor might go up Having already finished these covers I have a lot of ISO invested

Unknown

Thor is way overpowered, no chance he will be improved even more. Considering some recent statement that Ragnarok's red really warranted a 14 AP cost I'm quite convinced Thor's red and yellow will get nerfed significantly. Probably something in the area of +4 AP cost, less tile creation.

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Moghwyn wrote:

Thor is way overpowered, no chance he will be improved even more. Considering some recent statement that Ragnarok's red really warranted a 14 AP cost I'm quite convinced Thor's red and yellow will get nerfed significantly. Probably something in the area of +4 AP cost, less tile creation.

This. I fully expect Thor to be reigned in heavily. Wolverine as well. Interesting that the changes could wind up making IM40 more useful.

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Misguided wrote:

Moghwyn wrote:

Thor is way overpowered, no chance he will be improved even more. Considering some recent statement that Ragnarok's red really warranted a 14 AP cost I'm quite convinced Thor's red and yellow will get nerfed significantly. Probably something in the area of +4 AP cost, less tile creation.

This. I fully expect Thor to be reigned in heavily. Wolverine as well. Interesting that the changes could wind up making IM40 more useful.

I expect: wolverine green to go up to 5. Damage probably slightly up, and possibly change of the tile drop mechancic to instead of dropping tiles based on red stored...just drop 1 at lvl 1 and 2 at lvl 5. Profession would be something like:
Lvl 2: ap down
Lvl 3: damage up
Lvl 4: ap down
Lvl 5: 2 tiles.

Would be a huge nerf, not totally unexpected. Makes it more comparable to 3*** punisher's green. And they clearly are trying to move in the direction of rarity meaning something.

Thor...I just don't know. They could go one of 3 ways. 1. 2 ap up (8 red and 13 yellow?). 2. Decrease tile creation 3. Nerf damage considerably...or a mix of the 3. +4 is probably higher than what they will do imo.

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Misguided wrote:

Moghwyn wrote:

Thor is way overpowered, no chance he will be improved even more. Considering some recent statement that Ragnarok's red really warranted a 14 AP cost I'm quite convinced Thor's red and yellow will get nerfed significantly. Probably something in the area of +4 AP cost, less tile creation.

This. I fully expect Thor to be reigned in heavily. Wolverine as well. Interesting that the changes could wind up making IM40 more useful.

Honestly I'm getting the feeling that it will make a lot of characters more useful. The more I mull over the changes coming, I think we are about to see a really diverse game. Showing a friend the tournament scene was like showing him Hulk/Thorverine over and over and over. His response, being a game developer was "so how over powered are those to guys that you have to take them or you are at a disadvantage?"

I think we are in for an interesting next few months. I expect everything that was in the list of possible changes to move drastically. I also think what we see now in PVP won't look anything like what we will see in a month. And I think that is good for the game. Diversity is good, it means more people can play at a higher level as cover access is kind of random. It also means that the game requires you to play more strategically and intently. I don't think there will be any more I WIN buttons, at least super easy ones. GBW is balanced because her costs are so high. She can't get there very fast. I think you can look at her, Hulk and Punisher as the kind of things to expect.

Unknown

Why do we have to delete our characters?

All we have to do is to use the respec, and we can get the build that we want.

Oh wait. We can't.

COS THERE ISN'T A RESPEC SYSTEM!!

And you know why? Because the devs are too busy pissing people off by turning OP Gods and Legends into coal. And they are getting creative with finding new ways to to profit from us, such as making us pay money, to help prevent our scores from dropping. That, and they are still too busy nerfing the other not-so OP, just above average characters as well, because apparently, we are not suffering enough for them.

Maybe we can start praying to god or write letters to Santa, and maybe, just maybe, one day we'll actually not have to worry about screwing up our 3-color characters.

Unknown

I'm a huge fan of Santa I hope he's the next cover

http://marvel.wikia.com/Santa_Claus_(Earth-616)

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Saint Matthew wrote:

I'm a huge fan of Santa I hope he's the next cover

http://marvel.wikia.com/Santa_Claus_(Earth-616)

Maybe next year...maybe next year.

TheVulture

Gambit002 wrote:

Hawkeye will be getting buffed. You should be fine investing some ISO in him

I hope so; I'd been saving up ISO to max level up a buffed 2* character in the next PvE event (burnt out on levelling 3*s), and when The Hunt: Ares started I impulsively followed through on Hawkeye because I like the character and the modern comic.

My. Goodness. Is. He. Bad.
Really hoping he gets much better when rebalanced, so I don't feel quite so silly!

Re: Thor
I wouldn't be surprised if he lost a little off all aspects of red & yellow, but at the very minimum red will be shaved to Thunderclap damage and 4 yellow tiles.
Would be a pleasant surprise if green actually gained a little something to show rebalancing popular characters isn't all nerf, though I expect it just to be left alone.

Eddiemon

mechgouki wrote:

Why do we have to delete our characters?

All we have to do is to use the respec, and we can get the build that we want.

Oh wait. We can't.

COS THERE ISN'T A RESPEC SYSTEM!!

And you know why? Because the devs are too busy pissing people off by turning OP Gods and Legends into coal. And they are getting creative with finding new ways to to profit from us, such as making us pay money, to help prevent our scores from dropping. That, and they are still too busy nerfing the other not-so OP, just above average characters as well, because apparently, we are not suffering enough for them.

Maybe we can start praying to god or write letters to Santa, and maybe, just maybe, one day we'll actually not have to worry about screwing up our 3-color characters.

Respec is a whole new mechanism, that needs to be coded and have a Ui generated and then be regression tested to ensure it didn't break other code.

Buffs and nerfs are values in a spreadsheet.

And it's not even clear that the people who do character design are programmers, so you assumption that they are preferencing one over the other seems baseless.

And if you are paying money to stop your scores from dropping then you seriously need to analyse your playing style. The game gives out enough free HP (which isn't money) to reasonably shield towards the end of tourneys. If you are spending more than you get from the tourney on shields then you are shielding pointless scores and wasting HP.

For those of us with jobs shielding means we don't have to play the last 3 hours of a tournament to get a decent score or defend our position. So we don't have to play at 3 am or 3pm, both which are terrible times. And we use less HP on an 8 hour shield than we get from placing and progression so it's win-win.

Unknown

Oh, I'm sure it will take time and all to implement.

But honestly, so did the Shield system, as well as the pretty cover purchase interface, am I wrong?

People have been asking, begging, demanding, threatening, crying, weeping, for a respec system. A system that makes their 3-color characters not completely wrecked if they did something wrong. Did they do it?

It has been in dire need since day 1. Even when the covers were on a 20 per level system. People just want their mistakes to not be fatal. That's all. Is that too much to ask?

Don't get me wrong. I believe the Shields are a step in the right direction. What I believe them to do wrong was to make us pay for it. Scores should not have been dropping in the first place. Does it make sense for your scores to drop due to matches not in your control, simply because you got picked on?

The progression rewards are actually achievable now. But to compensate for that, they raise the bar even higher. Instead of 1400 for all rewards, you now have to hit 1800. Wow.

They give us one cookie, they demand 2 back.

Unknown

They've confirmed a respec system is in the pipeline - it's just a matter of implementation and testing. Relax.

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Kamahl-FoK wrote:

They've confirmed a respec system is in the pipeline - it's just a matter of implementation and testing. Relax.

Have they? All I ever read is that it's on the table in discussions.

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TheVulture wrote:

I impulsively followed through on Hawkeye because I like the character and the modern comic.

It's my favorite current* comic series, but he's generally been too bad to use. Gained some levels in whichever event made his boosted crit OP before they nerfed that, and now I'm pumping ISO into him in anticipation of the upcoming changes. Would love to be able to use him full time without gimping myself.

*By current, I mean current - 6 months. Don't hate on my Marvel Unlimited.

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Toxicadam wrote:

Kamahl-FoK wrote:

They've confirmed a respec system is in the pipeline - it's just a matter of implementation and testing. Relax.

Have they? All I ever read is that it's on the table in discussions.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2094#p29438

I'm not intending to blow this out of proportion, but it's clearly something that is on their radar.

Eddiemon

mechgouki wrote:

People have been asking, begging, demanding, threatening, crying, weeping, for a respec system. A system that makes their 3-color characters not completely wrecked if they did something wrong. Did they do it?

It has been in dire need since day 1. Even when the covers were on a 20 per level system. People just want their mistakes to not be fatal. That's all. Is that too much to ask?

I'm more old school, where I appreciate the decisions I make actually mattering. While I appreciate the logic of respecs where a character is adjusted by the devs, beyond that I see it as a negative for the game.

I'm currently building a new spidey, im40 and grey widow because I built the first ones wrong. It gives me more covers to collect and more tournament engagement. If I could respec I would be reduced to Ares covers and 4*s at this point.

But then I appreciated Diablo 2 more than 3 because I felt my characters had builds rather than being generic and adjustable to the flavour of the month.

Don't get me wrong. I believe the Shields are a step in the right direction. What I believe them to do wrong was to make us pay for it. Scores should not have been dropping in the first place. Does it make sense for your scores to drop due to matches not in your control, simply because you got picked on?.

Yes, because it is a pvp tournament. PvE is race for the highest score where pvp you can drag your opponents back to the pack. PvE you only care about offense, where pvp you like to build a team people would rather not attack. Having different tournament paradigms is great because it adjusts the meta game. I'd love to see more formats.

damn autocorrect

Unknown

Since when could you send covers as gifts?

Nemek

Unity wrote:

Since when could you send covers as gifts?

If covers are a mission reward, you can sometimes gift them. A long time ago, it was really common. Nowadays, it's super rare.