A puzzle!

mischiefmaker

Like some theorycrafting to go with your turkey? Try this:

In a No Holds Barred game, find a way to do 10,000+ damage before you make your second match.

Rules:
- A "match" is any match-3. You may assume that a match-3 of any color exists on your first turn and that a match-3 of any color exists for your opponent.
- Your opponent gets to make a single match-3 on his turn.
- "No Holds Barred" means you can choose any three characters as your team and any three characters as your opponent, but both sides are subject to the player level cap.
- If you use an ability that causes board shake, you may assume it causes no cascades (since a cascade would be your second match).
- You may use boosts, but you may not use expired boosts.
- You may make reasonable assumptions about the state of the board.

For bonus points:
- Use no more than one 3* character.
- Use a 1* character.
- Don't use +3 rainbow boosts.
- Don't use ANY boosts.
- Do 20,000+ damage.
- Do 25,000+ damage.
- See how many different team compositions you can make (I have nine so far, and there are probably more).

Enjoy, and happy Thanksgiving!

Spoit

Xforce cmarv groot, with them under levelled so that cmarv tanks yellow, and also low enough that the assumed 395 enemy is able to trigger hwe outside with a match 3(and maybe also assuming an enemy blade to increase their match damage?). Also go in with groot at where he can trigger his passive. Boost 5 black.

Match yellow to trigger groot to wipe out the tu tiles and put cMarc in front. Enemy blade triggers and their match fame triggers cmarv passive. Cast surgical, assume that the enemy strong tile is green. Cast xforce. Without tus, probably enough tiles to cast it twice

mischiefmaker

Yay, someone wants to play! A few problems I see with the solution:

1. Boost 5 black + 3 black from the passive gives you 8. Surgical costs 11; if Groot's passive causes a cascade then you've already made your second match.
2. Maxed Marvel requires 695 damage to trigger her passive. The opponents are subject to the player level cap, so can do at most 82*3 + 58*2 = 362 damage with a single match-3. You could have Marvel be lower level, but then XForce also has to be lower level so that he doesn't tank yellow.

Spoit

mischiefmaker wrote:

Yay, someone wants to play! A few problems I see with the solution:

1. Boost 5 black + 3 black from the passive gives you 8. Surgical costs 11; if Groot's passive causes a cascade then you've already made your second match.
2. Maxed Marvel requires 695 damage to trigger her passive. The opponents are subject to the player level cap, so can do at most 82*3 + 58*2 = 362 damage with a single match-3. You could have Marvel be lower level, but then XForce also has to be lower level so that he doesn't tank yellow.

I thought the op said to assume no cascades? And yeah that's why I said you had to under level. 4 star power scaling hits diminishing returns really quickly, so even at like 130 something out whatever the actual required level would be, you'd still be at like 75 percent of the max power damage (iirc. 166 was about 80 percent)

Flare808

Spoit wrote:

Xforce cmarv groot, with them under levelled so that cmarv tanks yellow, and also low enough that the assumed 395 enemy is able to trigger hwe outside with a match 3(and maybe also assuming an enemy blade to increase their match damage?). Also go in with groot at where he can trigger his passive. Boost 5 black.

Match yellow to trigger groot to wipe out the tu tiles and put cMarc in front. Enemy blade triggers and their match fame triggers cmarv passive. Cast surgical, assume that the enemy strong tile is green. Cast xforce. Without tus, probably enough tiles to cast it twice

The big sticking point for me is that in order for you to get the AP for Surgical, you'd have to make your second match prior.

Spoit

Oh I did mount you're right. Ok under level xforce even more, so that cmarv tanks black and match that instead. And then I guess replace groot with dp or ht and assume we steals red instead

Flare808

Since I'm stumped (but not giving up), I'm going to cheat a little and argue semantics. The old boost are labeled "retired" and not "expired" as stated in the OP. Therefore, against the spirit of the challenge, I'll use "retired" +3 AP boosts in addition to the current +1 AP boosts.

My line-up-
Patch (166)
Hulk (166)- In front
Daken (166)

Against-
OBW

Boosts:
+1 - 3 all AP "retired" boost
+3 - 1 all AP boost
+3 - 1 Green/black AP Boost

Turn 1-
Cast Berserker Rage- (2087)- All strike tiles land for both sides (888 for each side)
Match a green so Hulk tanks (79*3+888=1125)
Daken passive triggers (96 + 888 = 984 in strike tiles)

Turn 1-opponent
OBW match using Espionage
Fueled by Berserker Rage tiles, two Anger tiles created

Turn 2 (prior to my match)
2 Anger tiles trigger causing: 174+984= 1158 per character
1062 x 3 characters= 3474 per Anger
3186 x 2 Angers = 6948

WHOOOO! Total damage is 2087+1125+6948=10160! Not sure if you could team self damage as well, but that would add a little more damage.

Edit: Since I'm cheating, other characters can be subbed in for Daken- Psylocke black does enough damage, Juggs Red as well, etc.

wymtime

W166 patch level 5 BR, 166 level 5 ALOT DP. Boost 3 to all boost 3 to red, 3 to green. Match 1 green. Next turn BR and on highest level opponent fire a little off the top. 2k damage for BR and ALOT+ strike tiles should get 10k I think.

Unknown

Hulk + Thoress + Devil Dinosaur.
11475 + 16440 + 19180 = 47095 HP
Esc -> Retreat
47095 * 33% ~= 15541.35 Damage to your own team

Only one 3*, no boosts, no matches.

Spoit

I mean there are only so many powers at under 8 so. Especially if you disqualify cascades or the enemy getting a second move (demolition)

wymtime

BP plus captain marvel plus DP. Boost ap all ap red plus ap black. Fire ALOT FOR 3k plus damage match black so captain marvel tanks. Opponent needs to be blade and OBW. Blades sets 2 strike tiles and OBW matches purple hitting with espionage giving 3 black.
Now with 12 black fire Rage of the Panther for an additional 11+k damage

Flare808

With no restrictions on TUs, there is a rabbit hole with 3* Storm

Team:
3* Storm (166)

Boost with
+3 - 3 Red/yellow
+3 - 1 AP all
+3 - TU AP

Turn 1
Match yellow

Turn 2
Mistress of Elements for 7 AP (total of 13 TUAP)
Launch a TU (Gauntlet level 300+ Tu work well)
I have a LV 333 Wind Storm that does 6300 to each enemy that fits the bill

wymtime

Sentry, storm combo. 3 boost to all, 3 to TU, 3 to RY. Match 1 yellow. Fire level 5 mistress of elements for 7TU. Fire Sergical strike TU for hits red more than 5 red on the board. Fires supernova from Sentry. I don't know the final number but it would be well above 10k.

Spoit

But yeah I don't know how you can hit that without using an ap all boost. (Other than the afore mentioned tu loopholes). All the exploitable 6 so moved are gone

wymtime

Flare808 wrote:

With no restrictions on TUs, there is a rabbit hole with 3* Storm

Team:
3* Storm (166)

Boost with
+3 - 3 Red/yellow
+3 - 1 AP all
+3 - TU AP

Turn 1
Match yellow

Turn 2
Mistress of Elements for 7 AP (total of 13 TUAP)
Launch a TU (Gauntlet level 300+ Tu work well)
I have a LV 333 Wind Storm that does 6300 to each enemy that fits the bill

Great minds think alike. I have a level 5 270 sergical strike TU. This could be a deadly combination. Green would be COTS, Black BP, Red supernova, purple Whales, blue CMags, yellow thunder strike possibly followed by COTS again.

wymtime

Spoit wrote:

But yeah I don't know how you can hit that without using an ap all boost. (Other than the afore mentioned tu loopholes). All the exploitable 6 so moved are gone

oP did not say cap level on character was 166? What level would A little off the top or headbutt do 10k damage. Level 500 Deadpool should do it. Maybe level 350 Juggs?

BigOldBob

Im40(x/x/1)+hood(x/x/5)+sentry(5/x/x) all @ max lvl

Boosts:
+3 all
+3 r/y
+3 g/b

Start AP: 6yellow, 6red, 6black

Turn 1
Recharge
Match black

0 yellow, 6 red, 9 black
Dmg 3x61=181

Turn 2
Countdown timer of Recharge tiles down to 1
intimidate Dmg 181 + 1186 =1367
=> reduces Recharge tiles to 0 => you get 9 red
=> Supernova
Dmg 1367+3x(1565+9x261) = 13109 for your enemy and additional 3x9x137=3699 for your own team

= 13109+3699 = 16808 overall

Flare808

wymtime wrote:

Spoit wrote:

But yeah I don't know how you can hit that without using an ap all boost. (Other than the afore mentioned tu loopholes). All the exploitable 6 so moved are gone

oP did not say cap level on character was 166? What level would A little off the top or headbutt do 10k damage. Level 500 Deadpool should do it. Maybe level 350 Juggs?

No Hold Barred was a PvP with no level boosts for characters, so the 270/166/94/50 cap applies.

turul

Didnt state expired heros so old cstorm + sentry + weak hero both sides

wymtime

Flare808 wrote:

wymtime wrote:

Spoit wrote:

But yeah I don't know how you can hit that without using an ap all boost. (Other than the afore mentioned tu loopholes). All the exploitable 6 so moved are gone

oP did not say cap level on character was 166? What level would A little off the top or headbutt do 10k damage. Level 500 Deadpool should do it. Maybe level 350 Juggs?

No Hold Barred was a PvP with no level boosts for characters, so the 270/166/94/50 cap applies.

Then I have no idea how to get to 10k without rainbow boost.

mischiefmaker

Love all the crazy tricks people are trying! A few thoughts:

Spoit wrote:

Oh I did mount you're right. Ok under level xforce even more, so that cmarv tanks black and match that instead. And then I guess replace groot with dp or ht and assume we steals red instead

For this to work, Marvel has to trigger at no more than 246 (level 270 4* max match-3 tile damage). I'm not sure what level she gets above that but she starts at 219 so it's around level 50, which is too low for her to tank black over X-Force.

wymtime wrote:

W166 patch level 5 BR, 166 level 5 ALOT DP. Boost 3 to all boost 3 to red, 3 to green. Match 1 green. Next turn BR and on highest level opponent fire a little off the top. 2k damage for BR and ALOT+ strike tiles should get 10k I think.

ALoT caps at 3299, so even with the 174*6 strike tiles and BR at 2087, this tops out at 6430.

Nivrax wrote:

Hulk + Thoress + Devil Dinosaur.
47095 * 33% ~= 15541.35 Damage to your own team.

turul wrote:

Didnt state expired heros so old cstorm + sentry + weak hero both sides

Ha! Clever, but pretty clearly not in the spirit of the puzzle.

wymtime wrote:

BP plus captain marvel plus DP. Boost ap all ap red plus ap black. Fire ALOT FOR 3k plus damage match black so captain marvel tanks. Opponent needs to be blade and OBW. Blades sets 2 strike tiles and OBW matches purple hitting with espionage giving 3 black.
Now with 12 black fire Rage of the Panther for an additional 11+k damage

Not a bad idea, but has the same problem as Spoit's. OBW hits for a maximum of 155 on purple, plus 118 for Blade's strikes, a total of 281. That means Marvel can only be about level 55, and if you want her to tank black over BP, he also has to be level 55, which means RotP won't hit for anywhere near 11k.

Flare808 wrote:

With no restrictions on TUs, there is a rabbit hole with 3* Storm

Ding ding ding! I had not considered TUs but this one totally works -- and you don't even need a special buffed teamup since a 166 RotP will do it. Nice work!

BigOldBob wrote:

Im40(x/x/1)+hood(x/x/5)+sentry(5/x/x) all @ max lvl

Yup, this works too. The self-damage doesn't count for your final tally, but you don't need it to hit 10k.

Unfortunately I have made an error in calculations, and I no longer have a way to hit 30k damage. I can do 25k though, and thanks to the ideas in this thread, I've figured out a way to do 10k with no boosts at all and a way to do it while using a 1* character, for those looking for extra challenge! Updated OP.