Rubber Banding Has Got to Go (or be changed)

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Are you new!!! Grinding isn't needed at all if you grind this game your wasting your time outside the top 10. This game totally caters to casual players I tried to super grind. I played 12+ hrs a day in my retired lazy boy it got me no closer than forgetting to play I NEVER in 35yrs of games played a game where a casual player can hold a candle to 3 12hr days of grinding of I gave them a week to catch up much less a few hours. Rubber banding equals lazy players say it isn't so if you think you truly can but as you type those words you will know they are lies

Spoit

Phantron wrote:

Necrofessor wrote:

I played lazy. Didn't finish any rounds to zero only played a few times a day for the last 3 days just enough to keep my points up it was a total joke compared to my first hulk run not only did I make 60k+ points I landed solid top 1500 got all 3 covers and punisher red last time I missed punisher but got 3 covers lazy players stand just as good a chance as grinders. I've tested it over the widow no hold no mans land avenger 1-2 and the lightning rounds other than rags that ones crazy

You may think you're lazy, but you're probably still less lazy than all but around 1500 people. I thought I was pretty lazy this tournament and I finished around 150th overall, but then I remembered that I usually placed between 100-300 when I'm actually playing unless I'm trying to tank my score for certain sub-brackets. It's not like I was 30000th place most of the tournament and magically got up to 150th at the end.

Like I said, I was pretty lazy this time and got #4 (i think). Hell the last couple days, I only really played the low point missions to the 500 ISO, not even doing a full depletion on them

Unknown

I missed one partial refresh of points out of the whole event ( did the missions each 2 times, so didn't get all the points) , finished around 350th or so overall , yet people who played less than I did finished above me, so put me in the camp with people who think there is some issues that need to be ironed out.

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Spoit wrote:

Like I said, I was pretty lazy this time and got #4 (i think). Hell the last couple days, I only really played the low point missions to the 500 ISO, not even doing a full depletion on them

Well, if you can do the hard missions that features 3Xlevel 200+ guys, you'd require significantly less effort than someone who cannot. Looking at my point total on the final stretch, I'm pretty sure I could've gotten the same placement by just grinding the last 2 missions on the hard bracket down to 0. However, I wasn't confident if I can do that and I didn't budget enough time at the end to risk getting downed, so instead I did a mix of the hard missions + all the easy brackets, which is considerably more total playing time compared to just beating the 2 hard missions until they hit 0. The game does reward a player rather handsomely to be able to grind down those soaped up PvE battles.

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Necrofessor wrote:

Are you new!!! Grinding isn't needed at all if you grind this game your wasting your time outside the top 10. This game totally caters to casual players I tried to super grind. I played 12+ hrs a day in my retired lazy boy it got me no closer than forgetting to play I NEVER in 35yrs of games played a game where a casual player can hold a candle to 3 12hr days of grinding of I gave them a week to catch up much less a few hours. Rubber banding equals lazy players say it isn't so if you think you truly can but as you type those words you will know they are lies

Again, I shouldn't be punished for actually *playing the game* as rubber banding does.

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Sorry buck not directed at you I agree totally

Everyone's gonna hate me but I'm not being quite anymore. Fix the points system not new covers not another 8 day event. Fix the points make the lightning rounds and two day events worth playing for more than 2hrs not one person here hasn't complained about points fix this first I'm spreading the word and I'm being loud about it call me what you will

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buckfanana wrote:

Necrofessor wrote:

Are you new!!! Grinding isn't needed at all if you grind this game your wasting your time outside the top 10. This game totally caters to casual players I tried to super grind. I played 12+ hrs a day in my retired lazy boy it got me no closer than forgetting to play I NEVER in 35yrs of games played a game where a casual player can hold a candle to 3 12hr days of grinding of I gave them a week to catch up much less a few hours. Rubber banding equals lazy players say it isn't so if you think you truly can but as you type those words you will know they are lies

Again, I shouldn't be punished for actually *playing the game* as rubber banding does.

The question is, were you top 300 when the subs closed? Because that's what counts.

Rubberbanding in some form is highly preferable to grinding for hours to me and probably a lot of others. I think in the current system if you go for grinding you have to grind optimally, which is probably harder to do than rubberbanding optimally.

Unknown

Listen to that logic it's hard to play hard than to hardly play at all why would I not want to grind points to beat the pants off casuals it's fun I love it why would I not do exactly that in a points based event

Unknown

Because that's a **** game.

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Elementalor wrote:

buckfanana wrote:

Necrofessor wrote:

Are you new!!! Grinding isn't needed at all if you grind this game your wasting your time outside the top 10. This game totally caters to casual players I tried to super grind. I played 12+ hrs a day in my retired lazy boy it got me no closer than forgetting to play I NEVER in 35yrs of games played a game where a casual player can hold a candle to 3 12hr days of grinding of I gave them a week to catch up much less a few hours. Rubber banding equals lazy players say it isn't so if you think you truly can but as you type those words you will know they are lies

Again, I shouldn't be punished for actually *playing the game* as rubber banding does.

The question is, were you top 300 when the subs closed? Because that's what counts.

Rubberbanding in some form is highly preferable to grinding for hours to me and probably a lot of others. I think in the current system if you go for grinding you have to grind optimally, which is probably harder to do than rubberbanding optimally.

Obviously some balance between the two would be perfect.
I played both Hulk events and finished in 250th or so in the first and 1750th or so in the second.
The difference as far as I can see is that the finishing time for each set of subs was better for me during the first event as they ended about 9am. Subs in the recent event finished about 4am so I couldn't play in the last few hours.
I went bed each night of the 2nd event in the top 100 and would wake up at around 2500-3000. Same thing happened this morning with the last subs. Went to bed in 71st and woke up around 2700. The final missions were enough to push me to 1750 by the end.
Unless I got up at 3:30am to exhaust the points at the right time and push myself into the top 300 there is no way under this system I could have finished that high.

This forum has given me tons of help with how to play these events and the devs seem to do a good job of varying the finish time of events so that people in one place aren't getting consistently screwed.
Until a solution is reached as long as we keep getting varying finishing times on events I'll always feel like the rewards are attainable.

Kelbris

Why should people be rewarded for quantity of play? It wouldn't reward people who play match 3 games smarter, and end matches in less turns while also taking less damage. Just because you have the time to play this game more often than I do, doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to keep up or even do better if I put more thought into my game.

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BrenH wrote:

Obviously some balance between the two would be perfect.
I played both Hulk events and finished in 250th or so in the first and 1750th or so in the second.
The difference as far as I can see is that the finishing time for each set of subs was better for me during the first event as they ended about 9am. Subs in the recent event finished about 4am so I couldn't play in the last few hours.
I went bed each night of the 2nd event in the top 100 and would wake up at around 2500-3000. Same thing happened this morning with the last subs. Went to bed in 71st and woke up around 2700. The final missions were enough to push me to 1750 by the end.
Unless I got up at 3:30am to exhaust the points at the right time and push myself into the top 300 there is no way under this system I could have finished that high.

This forum has given me tons of help with how to play these events and the devs seem to do a good job of varying the finish time of events so that people in one place aren't getting consistently screwed.
Until a solution is reached as long as we keep getting varying finishing times on events I'll always feel like the rewards are attainable.

I think that was exactly the point of having the events finish at different times, to let people in different timezones have a chance, just like the weekly tourneys.

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Kelbris wrote:

Why should people be rewarded for quantity of play? It wouldn't reward people who play match 3 games smarter, and end matches in less turns while also taking less damage. Just because you have the time to play this game more often than I do, doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to keep up or even do better if I put more thought into my game.

They shouldn't necessarily be rewarded with higher standing within a PVE event but perhaps there should be some sort of "consolation" for those who do want to play so much.

For instance once a mission has been ground down to zero points all subsequent plays of that mission until the points reset earn 50 iso instead of 20.
This would allow people who like to grind an event a way to still play and get something reasonable for their time.

I like to play a lot whilst watching TV or on the way to and from work and would definitely have continued to play the Hulk missions if they awarded 50 iso instead of 20. It wouldn't have to be 50 iso but that seems like a nice easy number.

As long as that was made transparent in the tournament rules everyone would be on even footing as far as how much iso they could earn.

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People using the word 'lazy' to describe how much time they assume strangers play a game need their heads sorting out.

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I feel like both playing harder and playing smarter should be rewarded. Successful people in real life have gained that success through both brute force as well as through shrewd thinking, mostly in equal parts. We shouldn't uphold one school of thought by shaming the other. Both (should) have a place in MPQ.

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You didn't got rubber banded out of the top spot. You fell down because others played more in the last set of missions than you, simple as that. You don't magically loose points due to rubber banding. You aren't punished for playing the game.
Others are just enabled to catch up due to rubber banding and then overtake you if they play strategically better than you after catching up.
Do you think it would be any different with a pure grinding system? The 1st reward was for the top 0.5 % of the event participants, do you think you're the only one who can grind?

Spencer75

My biggest issue with those that complain about rubber banding in these events and what they fail to understand is this:

They'll always say "I was in the top 150 (or whatever rank) the whole time" no you weren't. You were in the top 150 after you played your rounds every 12 hours and exhausted your rubber banding (your elasticity one could say).

What these people seem to fail to account for is their position at the end of these sessions is their absolute peak at that point and they can only go down in the following hours as others play. Their position at this point is artificial. Then at the end of these hulk rounds most of the top players exhaust their elasticity all at once and all of a sudden your ranking doesn't appear so great.

My point? Don't judge your position in these events by your peak ranking. You're getting upset because other people decided to play also. Additionally if you're on these forums you have no excuse to not know how rubber banding works.

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You needed to do your last (or first if lazy) daily sub-event about90 minutes before the next sub event for optimal ruber banding. If you did it earlier it would not help. Grinding did not add anything : you could play 3 times a sub event and ending in top 10 everytime, you would be in the 2500s before next grinding, the only trap was the last sub event : no punisher mission, so lot fewer point to go up if you miss the previous sub event but you still needed to do it like an hour before the time limit.

I was 28 at the end of the last sub event. 900 before doing the last 6 missions (6 hours before the end of the whole event), up to 59 before the last stand, managed to do it, got to 31 then went to bed with 6 hours left in the event, I stayed in the top 300.

The point is not grinding, more regurlar enough play at the right time (previous tournament was really not in a good ending time for me, was top 3500s at the end)

Unknown

Honestly if you really do grind intelligently you'll always be amongst the top. Of course if you're going to grind the first 2 hours of a event and do nothing later you get absolute **** rewards.

Grinding intelligently > Efficient playing (making use of rubberband) > dumb grinders when it comes down to rewards.

Of course there's this assumption of equal teams, that is.

i.e. this game is about using your brain, not mindlessly spamming away at your phone. which isn't wrong seeing it's a puzzle game after all. Just a different puzzle here.

If you happen to be a spender in this game and are not getting rewards - it might be a good idea to invest your money in something which you understand. Look at the stock market - lots of spenders with no idea what they're doing = easy profits for those who spend smart, even if they spend little. Similar concept - if you don't know what you're doing, you're not going to get anywhere.

Rubberbanding is great because it says you can't grind a million points in a day and expect to be unchallenged at all. It means consistency and intelligence, not one-off grind and heck-care.

Mavericat

Totally agree. There's one tourney going on now. I want to play but know that starting later will give me much better chances at winning, so I actually force myself to play other games, even though I'd much rather play marvel. That seems like a huge red flag that the system is broken.