Help, team ups

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Okay I've been having trouble with higher levels in pve. I can't beat rag, yelena, and dak en lvl 145 for nothing and I see other ppl talking about it being easy. I've been playing since the beginning when tournaments were easier and this rubberbanding **** didn't exist.

I'll post my roster and you guys give me different combinations on what I can play or who should I level and team up. Don't tell me to get covers because I'd only be able to win them. I don't like spending $ on this anymore.

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I'm no expert, but it looks like to me you need to level the heck out of your Spidey and rebuild then level your Wolverine.

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joshvox wrote:

I'm no expert, but it looks like to me you need to level the heck out of your Spidey and rebuild then level your Wolverine.

Yeah I have all his covers but never really used him, what team can I build around him. I need something effective from what I already have.

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The high level PvE stuff isn't something you can beat reliably unless you're very careful at preventing matches on the other side. For example if they have Daken and they get even 2 green matches you're looking at around 300 damage worth of strike tiles on the board which will quickly decimate your team. Ragnarok, of course, can always pull off massive combos by himself. In this event, Wolverine is by far the most powerful character and you should be using him if you're not already doing so. Otherwise there really isn't anything too special. In this Dark Avenger fight the common theme is that you can't let the other side get red or green at all costs. This doesn't mean you're matching them. If you can make a match that makes neither side get the red/green, take that one instead because you usually can't possibly trade Thunderclaps or even the massively powerful strike tiles Daken creates when he's level 100+. Ragnarok and Daken is probably the worst combination out of the available villians since you have to keep both stunned. If it's some other combination you usually only have to keep Ragnarok stunned since Jugg/Venom can't do much without having a relatively high amount of APs.

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joshvox wrote:

I'm no expert, but it looks like to me you need to level the heck out of your Spidey and rebuild then level your Wolverine.

Agree about Spidey, pump ISO in him to at least 80ish

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You've been playing since Oct 1 and that's your roster?

What on earth have you been spending your ISO on?

I really cannot give any advice. Your full cover spidey is only L19. I just cannot even contemplate why you haven't put any ISO into him. Your Wolverine is L6. Those two are two of the best characters in the game.

Sorry to be negative and not actually have any advice, but I don't see how you could beat it with that roster outside of a very lucky board.

Folks -- note that he doesn't have any ISO to pump into Spidey. Or anyone else. 812 ISO, 10 HP. Playing since the start... just wow.

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Phantron wrote:

The high level PvE stuff isn't something you can beat reliably unless you're very careful at preventing matches on the other side. For example if they have Daken and they get even 2 green matches you're looking at around 300 damage worth of strike tiles on the board which will quickly decimate your team. Ragnarok, of course, can always pull off massive combos by himself. In this event, Wolverine is by far the most powerful character and you should be using him if you're not already doing so. Otherwise there really isn't anything too special. In this Dark Avenger fight the common theme is that you can't let the other side get red or green at all costs. This doesn't mean you're matching them. If you can make a match that makes neither side get the red/green, take that one instead because you usually can't possibly trade Thunderclaps or even the massively powerful strike tiles Daken creates when he's level 100+. Ragnarok and Daken is probably the worst combination out of the available villians since you have to keep both stunned. If it's some other combination you usually only have to keep Ragnarok stunned since Jugg/Venom can't do much without having a relatively high amount of APs.

Thanks for the tips. So if I wanted to rock model 40, hulk, and Thor I'd be Ok using these tactics? Or should I throw in spidey, level hum up and have his stun come into play? My game plan has always revolved about getting my 6 red to set up Thor then chain his red yellow then use hulks green and if I happen to get a combo of yellows use iron and yellow and once he uses that I'll have his blue which would turn into a win.

This hasn't been working too well lately.

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Zathrus wrote:

You've been playing since Oct 1 and that's your roster?

What on earth have you been spending your ISO on?

I really cannot give any advice. Your full cover spidey is only L19. I just cannot even contemplate why you haven't put any ISO into him. Your Wolverine is L6. Those two are two of the best characters in the game.

Sorry to be negative and not actually have any advice, but I don't see how you could beat it with that roster outside of a very lucky board.

Folks -- note that he doesn't have any ISO to pump into Spidey. Or anyone else. 812 ISO, 10 HP. Playing since the start... just wow.

Well no need to be a ****... I wasn't using the best tactics, what I've been doing is using characters I mostly liked vs what worked best. Hence why I'm on the forums asking for help. Thank you for your criticism, I'll try leveling out my wolvie and spider man. Any other advice?

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With your current levels, I'd probably go hulk, IM40, and spider-man right now. Spidey's heals will suck, but as long as you don't match purple or maybe environment tiles, he'll hide behind the other two to dish out stuns.

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Are IM40 and Hulk at a high enough level to tank for Thor. As is that's the best team for you to use but Thor will be your main damage dealer (although Hulk is buffed so I liked the strategy you already mentioned) so keeping him from taking damage is the most important thing.

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elracing21 wrote:

Thanks for the tips. So if I wanted to rock model 40, hulk, and Thor I'd be Ok using these tactics? Or should I throw in spidey, level hum up and have his stun come into play? My game plan has always revolved about getting my 6 red to set up Thor then chain his red yellow then use hulks green and if I happen to get a combo of yellows use iron and yellow and once he uses that I'll have his blue which would turn into a win.

This hasn't been working too well lately.

You're not going to get very far in this event without a max level Wolverine, who is by far the strongest character to use for this event due to his boosted stats. For that particular fight, you usually want to just boost to 6 green + 6 red AP and burn down Ragnarok ASAP. Once he's down the opposing team no longer has any real combo ability so just try to keep away from green as long as possible while you kill Daken and then finish Venom. Spiderman is used for stunning purposes. Generally speaking Ragnarok should be stunned whenever he has enough AP to do Thunderclap since that move pretty much starts every combo. Having Daken's presence just makes it harder because due to his inflated level, his Phormone Rage basically functions like a max level Feral Claw X 1.5 or so whenever anyone matches green. If you have the AP to stun Daken prior to making a green match, do so, but most of the time you'd simply have to tough it out while working on Ragnarok.

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I'm a relative noob, but yeah, as people above have said, unfortunately you've built a couple of key characters incorrectly (though your 5/5/3 Thor is excellent) and haven't leveled a balanced team.

Your highest-level characters are all pretty tanky, and you don't have a clear tactic available to either blow up or lock down the enemy team. Against these level 200+ Jugg/Rag/etc. teams, you really can't afford to let the CPU take too many turns, and while you can deny red/green, sometimes random cascades from off the top of the board will get them going, and sometimes the board position will be impossible to completely deny.

The safest way to beat these is with a Spidey with 5 Blue for 2 AP stun, which should allow you to keep the enemy team or at least their scary hitters (Rag, Jugg) stunned literally for the entire match if you use some boosts to start with 6 blue. 2 AP abilities are the most overpowered thing in the game, pretty much, and any time you see a low-cost skill that gets AP reduction via increased level, you should pretty much always max out that skill.

Personally, since I don't have blue Spidey covers, the way I beat all the PvE missions this time around, with 85 Wolv, 50 OBW and 50 Punisher, was to rely heavily on the buffed Wolverine. His green Feral Claw is his best ability by far (again because you can reduce its cost to 3 with 5 covers...) and using boosts to start with 6 green, 6 red, I could get 4 strike tiles on the board right away, such that all subsequent matches would deal 4-digit damage. That let me kill Rag in 3-4 turns, and your odds of being able to deny the AI any reds for 3 turns are pretty good if you're smart about it.

So, yeah, you need to build a team that can either completely lock down the enemy team, or deal huge burst damage before they can get going.

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Okay so from what I've fathered my best options are to either get another spidey, and wolverine, level Wolverine to 5,4,4 then spidey max his 5,4,4. Then my 3rd would be either hulk or Thor?

Wolverine seems so common that I can rebuild him. Spidey will be hard to get so I'll need to wait for a tournament rewarding him.

Is this right guys?

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The best wolverine build is 5/3/5.

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Ideal spidey is probably 3/5/5 right now, and wolverine is 5/3/5.

Also, if you don't want to level spidey, you should put some levels on OBW. It's good to have a character you can take to prologue/hammer missions to heal up your other toons without using healthpacks.

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Your spidey is fine, 5 blue would be optimal,but 4 is viable. Your wolverine is broken though, you have to start over. Putting Spider Man with your tanks will do great things for you in the meantime however, Spiderman does just fine in the 60's though you will want to max him out in time.

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Spider-Man not being leveled is a travesty. Same with wolverine. With that being said the best advice I can give you is to go to the character discussion page and look at how people build characters. Some of your builds are not optimal and you will find it very hard to place well in tournaments or PvE without rebuilding/leveling some of your characters. Also by your lack of ISO I'm guessing that you're buying tokens? Don't do this! It's much better to level your characters

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In addition to what has been said, try to get some diabolicals in the Lightning rounds this week and see what you get.

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Given that the Hulk event is just about over, you may not want to bother putting ISO into Wolverine now, but Wolverine- and specifically Wolverine with 5 green covers- has been the key to "easy" beating of high level PVE battles in this event because of the big boost in the power of his strike tiles. Spiderman with 4 or 5 blue covers for stunning enemies is a perennial PVE favourite too, and I'd join in with everyone else saying "level Spiderman already!". Otherwise you already have a few pretty powerful hitters there and maybe wait to see what the next big PVE event is before deciding what to put ISO into (FWIW, since the last few tournaments have been giving out IM40 covers, I have a big suspicion that IM40 is going to be boosted in the next PVE event so that'll work out for you).

Edit: Well, it's Double Shot rather than the next big PVE event, but still- IM40 boosted, right on schedule!

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Zhirrzh wrote:

Given that the Hulk event is just about over, you may not want to bother putting ISO into Wolverine now, but Wolverine- and specifically Wolverine with 5 green covers- has been the key to "easy" beating of high level PVE battles in this event because of the big boost in the power of his strike tiles. Spiderman with 4 or 5 blue covers for stunning enemies is a perennial PVE favourite too, and I'd join in with everyone else saying "level Spiderman already!". Otherwise you already have a few pretty powerful hitters there and maybe wait to see what the next big PVE event is before deciding what to put ISO into (FWIW, since the last few tournaments have been giving out IM40 covers, I have a big suspicion that IM40 is going to be boosted in the next PVE event so that'll work out for you).

Edit: Well, it's Double Shot rather than the next big PVE event, but still- IM40 boosted, right on schedule!

Lol dude you're on point. Thanks for the advice. I decided to lvl spidey and unfortunately scrap my wolvie. Thanks for all the feedback guys and I'm sorry my roster is noobish. Hopefully now with spidey being leveled by the next pve event I should be ok. In this double shot I'm running IM, thor, spidey. IM hits hard, thors powers are kill shots and spidey is the stun man as everyone ecplained. This tactic works very well when there is blue at the begining.

I'm going to start trying to get in those lighting rounds but which of those guys is a good one to throw to fight with what I have? What do people usually use besides the godly Ragnarok lol

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Don't forget that he's got a GS Widow almost maxed, too. It's a pity that his builds are consistently suboptimal across his whole roster, though.

Spidey + GS Widow were very effective during the Hulk event. I'd use Ragnarok when he was available, Thor or Daken when not (despite having played since nearly the beginning, I didn't get Wolvie covers until recently when they were doled them out like candy), and Hulk/Punisher when the event forced me to. I would chain stun with Spidey (in the final match-up, I would generally boost +3 all AP, +3 blue/purple, guaranteeing being able to start the chain stun in the first turn, with my Spidey currently at 5 Blue so costing 2 AP per stun), and actually rely on being hammered by Rag some to help generate the green that GS Widow needs for Sniper Rifle (Green). Gathering some incidental yellow (and relying on environmental Thorned Rose whenever possible) let me heal up periodically from those times when I couldn't get enough blue to keep up the chain stun. Incidental purple matches let me get the purple GS Widow needs to generate green, and with the web tiles from Spidey, his purple protect even at level 3 can stop hundreds in incoming damage.

However, that tactic relies on Spidey having 5 All Tied Up for the cheap stun, and GS Widow having her Sniper Rifle at 5, so that she shoots all opponents, which is a relatively quick way to do a huge pile of damage. Thor does good direct damage, but I actually preferred Daken for the fact that he would get tons of strike tiles from the constant matches of green, letting him be a passive generator of extra match damage.