Let's talk about the 900 points PVP reward token.

Pylgrim

I strongly feel that there should exist a better tier of gold token, one that is not quite a guaranteed 3* but that eliminates the chance of 2*s (for example rewarding Iso, boosts, health packs or HP in addition to 3*s). They would make a nice reward for the higher feats or achievements in events, particularly, the 900 point reward in PVP. Getting 900 points is not easy. It's definitely not a feat possible for 2* players that may benefit even from a 2* reward (which is the most likely thing you will open, by far). For every person capable of achieving 900 points, the disappointment of opening a 2* four out of five times in average achieving that score is really souring. Taking in account that with only 200 points more you get a guaranteed 3* (and 200 from there, a guaranteed 4*) it makes no sense that at 900 you'll be earning only 250 Iso many more times than not.

h4n1s

Pylgrim wrote:

I strongly feel that there should exist a better tier of gold token, one that is not quite a guaranteed 3* but that eliminates the chance of 2*s (for example rewarding Iso, boosts, health packs or HP in addition to 3*s). They would make a nice reward for the higher feats or achievements in events, particularly, the 900 point reward in PVP. Getting 900 points is not easy. It's definitely not a feat possible for 2* players that may benefit even from a 2* reward (which is the most likely thing you will open, by far). For every person capable of achieving 900 points, the disappointment of opening a 2* four out of five times in average achieving that score is really souring. Taking in account that with only 200 points more you get a guaranteed 3* (and 200 from there, a guaranteed 4*) it makes no sense that at 900 you'll be earning only 250 Iso many more times than not.

Good idea for transitioned players I guess, but certainly would be frustrating for not transitioned guys, because it won't be in their reach most of the time... Let me say that for me the disappointment of opening 2* cover from token is exactly the same as for the transitioned vet. Because I am sitting on maxed 2* characters for more than 6 months, and I still fail to get covers for 3* characters enabling me to max at least one of them to be competitive for even 700 mark in PvP.

I'd rather than that would like to see some general revision of tokens in this game.

Unknown

h4n1s wrote:

Pylgrim wrote:

I strongly feel that there should exist a better tier of gold token, one that is not quite a guaranteed 3* but that eliminates the chance of 2*s (for example rewarding Iso, boosts, health packs or HP in addition to 3*s). They would make a nice reward for the higher feats or achievements in events, particularly, the 900 point reward in PVP. Getting 900 points is not easy. It's definitely not a feat possible for 2* players that may benefit even from a 2* reward (which is the most likely thing you will open, by far). For every person capable of achieving 900 points, the disappointment of opening a 2* four out of five times in average achieving that score is really souring. Taking in account that with only 200 points more you get a guaranteed 3* (and 200 from there, a guaranteed 4*) it makes no sense that at 900 you'll be earning only 250 Iso many more times than not.

Good idea for transitioned players I guess, but certainly would be frustrating for not transitioned guys, because it won't be in their reach most of the time... Let me say that for me the disappointment of opening 2* cover from token is exactly the same as for the transitioned vet. Because I am sitting on maxed 2* characters for more than 6 months, and I still fail to get covers for 3* characters enabling me to max at least one of them to be competitive for even 700 mark in PvP.

I'd rather than that would like to see some general revision of tokens in this game.

Everything else in this game is based on the principle that the rich get richer. Why not the 900 point token as well?

I feel like it’s a bigger punishment to see that silver icon come up when cashing in your 900 point token. It takes a lot of hard work to get that high and 250 ISO is just a slap in the face.

GrumpySmurf1002

Pylgrim wrote:

I strongly feel that there should exist a better tier of gold token, one that is not quite a guaranteed 3* but that eliminates the chance of 2*s (for example rewarding Iso, boosts, health packs or HP in addition to 3*s). They would make a nice reward for the higher feats or achievements in events, particularly, the 900 point reward in PVP. Getting 900 points is not easy. It's definitely not a feat possible for 2* players that may benefit even from a 2* reward (which is the most likely thing you will open, by far). For every person capable of achieving 900 points, the disappointment of opening a 2* four out of five times in average achieving that score is really souring. Taking in account that with only 200 points more you get a guaranteed 3* (and 200 from there, a guaranteed 4*) it makes no sense that at 900 you'll be earning only 250 Iso many more times than not.

HP would be a welcome addition, but an unusable 2* is 250iso already. That's more valuable than most boosts (except all AP really), most Iso rewards (don't think they would offer more than 500) and health packs, while worth 150HP technically, are near worthless unless you're full.

At any rate, unless this new tier drastically ramps up the 3* drop rate, dropping random stuff 4 of 5 times is only a marginal increase over dropping 250iso.

wymtime

I think the big thing is just to rework the toke reward structure. If they eliminate a majority of the 2* from the reward structure and add bigger ISO/HP rewards it would defiantly be an improvement. I would be interested in seeing the anniversary token results. There were still a lot of 2* covers that dropped, but there were more 3* and ISO and HP that dropped as well. I think something similar to those drop rates would be better. Some of the rewards like 2900 HP but be a little unreasonable, but if I could get 1000 ISO every once in a while from a token it would be greatly appriciated.

Unknown

They could lower the threshold required to get the second one to maybe 700? Or replace the 3* 1100 reward with more HP or ISO and make that at 900?

Unknown

I would love to see the 3* cover moved to 900 and the second token just eliminated, but sadly I do not see that happening.

Unknown

h4n1s wrote:

Good idea for transitioned players I guess, but certainly would be frustrating for not transitioned guys, because it won't be in their reach most of the time... Let me say that for me the disappointment of opening 2* cover from token is exactly the same as for the transitioned vet. Because I am sitting on maxed 2* characters for more than 6 months, and I still fail to get covers for 3* characters enabling me to max at least one of them to be competitive for even 700 mark in PvP.

True, but think of it this way. 250 iso is a somewhat rational progression reward (indeed, you get that from 200). Anyone with a halfway decent 1*-2* roster can manage 300 points per pvp. I was doing it on my side account with nothing but a one-cover Captain Rogers and some level 20s. But at 900? It's not really valuable. The last two were 1k ISO and 50 hero points. Upgrading it would really give a reward for those who are willing to push that hard but don't want to go all the way to crazyville.

Phumade

900 is actually very easy to accomplish. Most people in top 50 alliances can go from 0pts to 850 in under 5 health packs, so a two star reward is appropriate here.

Unknown

Most people in top 50 alliances are well beyond the need of a 2* cover. You may as well just change it to read 250 . If the progression reward at 900 points did say 250 you would think it was a bit upside down considering the 1000 you got at 700.

Phumade

Personally I think they need to add a 1400 and 1500 reward. 900 is the new 700 and 1100 is the new 900

OrganisedConfusion1

As a transitioning player I have never reached 900 points for a PvP event. Highest is 700 and I have The Hulk at Lvl 166 and several Lvl 94 2 star characters.

mohio

wymtime wrote:

but if I could get 1000 ISO every once in a while from a token it would be greatly appriciated.

Did they remove IW from tokens when I wasn't looking? For many forumites even an x-force would be 1000 iso. Agree with the gist of it though, seems like it should be a better reward at that stage. While they're at it they could buff the LR tokens back up some. They are just not exciting the way they are.

zeeke

Well I do agree in principle the only thing is that the heroic tokens are kind of broken now when the 3* space is so diluted. They could easily increase the drop rate from 20% to 40% of a three star and it would still take you years to build a roster based on token drops only.

Id really like to see more progression rewards after 1300 as well. Top players do 2k now and for me top5 is more times then not over 1500. The change for alliances to all have 20 slots will most likely push points ever further when competition for top 100 increases as well.

kalex716

mohio wrote:

wymtime wrote:

but if I could get 1000 ISO every once in a while from a token it would be greatly appriciated.

Did they remove IW from tokens when I wasn't looking? For many forumites even an x-force would be 1000 iso. Agree with the gist of it though, seems like it should be a better reward at that stage. While they're at it they could buff the LR tokens back up some. They are just not exciting the way they are.

Just opened up an invis woman from a heroic token today. Then promptly sold it back.

Unknown

Just because it CAN be worth 1000 doesn't mean it is. It's actual value is either V = P( ) * 100 + P( ) * 250 + P( ) * 500 + P ( ) * 1000 where P(Stars) is the rarity of all that tier's cover drops added together or the same P(Stars) times the HP value of covers (which I doubt anyone would use).

I'd venture a guess a token is worth approximately 400 Iso on average, with lucky hits on covers you need.

What if you put the 3* cover reward at 900, opening it up to super try hard transitioners and casual half dozen 166 players and then put a "Super" token at 1100, similar to the Anniversary Tokens. 40% drop rate of featured Character, only 3* and 4* rewards with some and mixed in at rates that don't make you sad to lose a 3* cover. Then it's MINIMUM value is 500 Iso where it's expected value is much higher.

rednailz

Lerysh wrote:

I would love to see the 3* cover moved to 900 and the second token just eliminated, but sadly I do not see that happening.

Not this day and age with top 10 and lately top 25 placements needing over 900 pts.

rednailz

Phumade wrote:

900 is actually very easy to accomplish. Most people in top 50 alliances can go from 0pts to 850 in under 5 health packs, so a two star reward is appropriate here.

I'm in a "top 50" alliance with a decent roster and I wholeheartedly disagree.

rednailz

zeeke wrote:

Well I do agree in principle the only thing is that the heroic tokens are kind of broken now when the 3* space is so diluted. They could easily increase the drop rate from 20% to 40% of a three star and it would still take you years to build a roster based on token drops only.

Id really like to see more progression rewards after 1300 as well. Top players do 2k now and for me top5 is more times then not over 1500. The change for alliances to all have 20 slots will most likely push points ever further when competition for top 100 increases as well.

Most people breaking 2K have full rosters with doubles of some. The way things are going there needs to be another tier of compitition so those players aren't taking all the rewards away from other players every time. I'm not whining about it being not fair, it's the way it is, but for gettin 2k you get all progression rewards so garunteed 3* and 4*, plus your 3 covers, plus maybe another 4* cover. What more do you need or want? Just going to get the rich richer and increase the "class division" in the game. Maybe a only lvl 166 or only 4* charecter PvP once in a while for the hardcores? A reasonable idea and gives them something to do while the rest of us battle for that top cover that they actually don't even need.

Pylgrim

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

Pylgrim wrote:

I strongly feel that there should exist a better tier of gold token, one that is not quite a guaranteed 3* but that eliminates the chance of 2*s (for example rewarding Iso, boosts, health packs or HP in addition to 3*s). They would make a nice reward for the higher feats or achievements in events, particularly, the 900 point reward in PVP. Getting 900 points is not easy. It's definitely not a feat possible for 2* players that may benefit even from a 2* reward (which is the most likely thing you will open, by far). For every person capable of achieving 900 points, the disappointment of opening a 2* four out of five times in average achieving that score is really souring. Taking in account that with only 200 points more you get a guaranteed 3* (and 200 from there, a guaranteed 4*) it makes no sense that at 900 you'll be earning only 250 Iso many more times than not.

HP would be a welcome addition, but an unusable 2* is 250iso already. That's more valuable than most boosts (except all AP really), most Iso rewards (don't think they would offer more than 500) and health packs, while worth 150HP technically, are near worthless unless you're full.

At any rate, unless this new tier drastically ramps up the 3* drop rate, dropping random stuff 4 of 5 times is only a marginal increase over dropping 250iso.

I am obviously talking about significant amounts. As I see it, you should have for that tier of reward, a 50% of 3* or better, 20% of 500 Iso, 10% of 50 HP, 10% of 5 rare boosts (+1 AP to all/+20% damage to all) or 5 Health Packs, 5% chance of 1000 Iso and 5% of 100 HP, or something like that.

_RiO_

Pylgrim wrote:

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

Pylgrim wrote:

I strongly feel that there should exist a better tier of gold token, one that is not quite a guaranteed 3* but that eliminates the chance of 2*s (for example rewarding Iso, boosts, health packs or HP in addition to 3*s). They would make a nice reward for the higher feats or achievements in events, particularly, the 900 point reward in PVP. Getting 900 points is not easy. It's definitely not a feat possible for 2* players that may benefit even from a 2* reward (which is the most likely thing you will open, by far). For every person capable of achieving 900 points, the disappointment of opening a 2* four out of five times in average achieving that score is really souring. Taking in account that with only 200 points more you get a guaranteed 3* (and 200 from there, a guaranteed 4*) it makes no sense that at 900 you'll be earning only 250 Iso many more times than not.

HP would be a welcome addition, but an unusable 2* is 250iso already. That's more valuable than most boosts (except all AP really), most Iso rewards (don't think they would offer more than 500) and health packs, while worth 150HP technically, are near worthless unless you're full.

At any rate, unless this new tier drastically ramps up the 3* drop rate, dropping random stuff 4 of 5 times is only a marginal increase over dropping 250iso.

I am obviously talking about significant amounts. As I see it, you should have for that tier of reward, a 50% of 3* or better, 20% of 500 Iso, 10% of 50 HP, 10% of 5 rare boosts (+1 AP to all/+20% damage to all) or 5 Health Packs, 5% chance of 1000 Iso and 5% of 100 HP, or something like that.

That sounds surprisingly fair. Instead of being handed what is essentially feces on a silver platter every time you open up a heroic or event token now ...