What does it take to get a complete roster now ?

atomzed

Why would someone want to pay for EVERYTHING?

I mean, the main fun is the "collect them all" experience. Once you buy them all, there's nothing else to do. Cos at this stage, we earn nothing but covers and iso. Not even a badge and achievement.

Which is why I don't get it when forum members ask d3 to slow down the character release. Bec realistically you *don't* have to get all characters.

I didn't get capt marvel and probably not going to have her in my roster. Considering to sell Dr oct or other useless villains too.

My goal is to keep to a max roster size of 50. And not go beyond that. Currently I'm at 44 and have sold.off my modern bw and im35 to make way for the new characters.

HailMary

arktos1971 wrote:

HM : Not good enough at maths to calculate the amount needed to build a roster from those wonderful 10 packs.

I have a question of common sense :

If no one will pay for the roster, if it's now impossible to complete a full roster by playing : what's the point ?

Shouldn't there be a way to complete a roster ? (if it's not money).

They want roster diversity, but in the end, the players have no choice but play with a handful of characters ? I don't get it.

If you have an answer, it is welcome.

Speaking only for myself, I play because the gameplay itself is still entertaining. Pulling off an XF + + combo still makes my mind go "Whoo!" As long as they keep releasing a cool and/or useful new character every once in a while (Colossus, Deadpool, Blade, New XF, upcoming GT), I still have concrete in-game things to look forward to. Beyond such concrete shiny things, I keep playing because my alliance is cool, and MPQ scratches the "needs a bit of brain, but not any real amount of brain, for conveniently variable amounts of time" entertainment itch.

I understand the "must have everything!" collector mindset, but it's something that I don't strongly possess: I'll grind/hop for every new character release, but if I'm blase about the character (e.g. Beast), I'm fine with missing a few cover rewards in subsequent events. I also don't have the "Nyaha, I got for free what other people had to pay for!" us vs. them mentality that some F2Pers have. I'm just F2P because I haven't felt the need to pay any money yet. I honestly don't even think about maxing every 3* as some sort True Goal of the Game. I just do what I enjoy.

For example, Django internally plays the occasional silly metagame (e.g. ISO Bucket Challenge), and I sometimes set random silly goals for myself (e.g. stockpile 1 million Iso, use no abilities but WWWhales for 400-point PVP climbs). The only in-game events that I take more seriously than these made-up goals are new character releases. It's fun.

There's also a yawning divide between "there should be a way to 'complete' a roster without money" and "you need $12K to get a 'complete' roster." Also, while I understand that the current 2*-3* is likely much worse than what I experienced, I currently have a big XF, 10 L166s, and 4 (or 5?) L100s, most of which I use at some point during any given month. It's far from using my full roster, but there's some diversity there.

Lystrata wrote:

Eh, have read many. Just don't see this in particular as being all that controversial / attacking / in need of defence.

Nah, I was just amused that he's done almost exactly the same thing probably a half-dozen times before, but now it's a new thread with a cursory attempt at relevance to the everygamer.

Unknown

NorthernPolarity wrote:

For the people who are slightly more unreasonable and want to cover max all their guys, it's $1700.

Once you have covered max your 3*, how do you play with them if they are at level 40 ?

atomzed

arktos1971 wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

For the people who are slightly more unreasonable and want to cover max all their guys, it's $1700.

Once you have covered max your 3*, how do you play with them if they are at level 40 ?

Grind 2 weeks on LR and sims for iso? Cos ya know, iso grinding has no cap?

Unknown

HM : I did not want to search for the previous thread(s), you're right about that. So I summed up everything in a new thread.

I don't see the point of releasing so many characters lately, and make some of them needed to play some events if they do not expect us to have them all (dogfather made a thread about Ms Marvel if you remember well).

When they allow only 3-8 characters (and not the best ones) in some PvEs, they want us to have all the characters.

Same with Balance of Power. There are many examples.

You have read the despair of the transitioning players lately. So this thread was there to emphasize the many contradictions MPQ is currently creating.

I just don't get the strategy anymore.

As for the total value, as long as you can possibly buy all characters, you can value it.

Unknown

atomzed wrote:

arktos1971 wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

For the people who are slightly more unreasonable and want to cover max all their guys, it's $1700.

Once you have covered max your 3*, how do you play with them if they are at level 40 ?

Grind 2 weeks on LR and sims for iso? Cos ya know, iso grinding has no cap?

4 million Iso ?

atomzed

arktos1971 wrote:

atomzed wrote:

arktos1971 wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

For the people who are slightly more unreasonable and want to cover max all their guys, it's $1700.

Once you have covered max your 3*, how do you play with them if they are at level 40 ?

Grind 2 weeks on LR and sims for iso? Cos ya know, iso grinding has no cap?

4 million Iso ?

Ok, not 2 weeks but longer. Though the point is that you can get all the isos with sufficient time. I vaguely remember that it takes about 2 weeks of grinding to get the iso for 1 3*. Colog.mentioned it before.

Unknown

It takes less than that if you play a lot.

But no one could do that just by playing so far, even the veterans. With 2-3 new characters released each month, the task is impossible now.

Let's see what the future brings. Meanwhile, I won't get the strategy behind it.

simonsez

arktos1971 wrote:

With 2-3 new characters released each month, the task is impossible now.

At least they give us a breather like Beast every so often...

Nellobee

atomzed wrote:

Ok, not 2 weeks but longer. Though the point is that you can get all the isos with sufficient time. I vaguely remember that it takes about 2 weeks of grinding to get the iso for 1 3*. Colog.mentioned it before.

I suspect Colog may not be a representative player. Just a guess.

HailMary

arktos1971 wrote:

I don't see the point of releasing so many characters lately, and make some of them needed to play some events if they do not expect us to have them all (dogfather made a thread about Ms Marvel if you remember well).

When they allow only 3-8 characters (and not the best ones) in some PvEs, they want us to have all the characters.

Same with Balance of Power. There are many examples.

I found grinding PVE to get a 2* character annoying, too, and the back-to-back new-character PVE schedule was annoying, but I'll remind you that Ms. Marvel was necessary only to place very well in The Hunt, not merely to play The Hunt. Especially for 3* vets like you, me, and mrdogfather, there was no "need" to grind for Ms. Marvel just to get Blade covers. We wanted to, in order to get more Blade covers sooner.

And yeah, they do want us to keep a lot of characters, and facilitate that by requiring just-awarded characters in the next event. But, that's a far cry from maxing everyone in the game.

As for Balance of Power, ummm, that event promoted diversity like whoa. Are you kidding me? Sure, people at high levels were still Sentry-bombing, because Sentry is Sentry, but I used literally most of my entire roster during my BoP climbs. That's much more than I could say for any "normal" PVP.

arktos1971 wrote:

You have read the despair of the transitioning players lately. So this thread was there to emphasize the many contradictions MPQ is currently creating.

I just don't get the strategy anymore.

Except that your price calculations have nothing at all to do with the difficulty of the 2*-3* transition, since "max out everyone ever (with money)" is far, far, far from the goal of that transition. It seems you misunderstand the strategy even more than you think you do.

over_clocked

Arktos, you have the mentality of a collector, a completionist to boot. You seem to think there is endgame to MPQ, that there is such a thing even as having a complete roster. Closest would be having a copy of each and all character that has been released by now, cover-maxed and level-maxed which is what Colognoisseur is doing. But you don't need all 53 characters to enjoy the game or even play it at its fullest since, for example, I don't remember IM 35/Bag-Man/Yelena/Bullseye/Moonstone/Venom ever being essential or very much needed to play outside of Prologue and earliest days. Pretty sure that newer players restricted by roster slots can afford to ditch the likes of Beast, Octopus and Shulkie as soon as their respective essential events are over since there will be a chance to earn them again should they be required in the future (maybe barring events with multi-essentials like Simulator, Gauntlet and Iso-8 Brotherhood).
I like the sense of MPQ not having to end somewhere since new character releases sure as heck won't ever stop. I don't have a heartache over not having a 100% complete roster, I easily enough deleted Yelena and IM 35 from my roster (again, for a hundredth time) and have been deleting various characters in the past. I can afford to keep the worthless characters too, but I don't feel the need to.
And the prices you use? They are just arbitrarily high numbers set by D3/Demiurge. They do not reflect any real value behind the covers.
How can a Daredevil cover even begin to compare to a Sentry cover? The prices are there to make us think on what we want from the game and choose wisely. If you want to be a completionist, and a fastest completionist at that (get 1/1/1 for a new character, max instantly), you gotta part with cash and it's fine, it's your choice.
Don't expect many people to be like you. Most people just want the most bang for their buck and are content with only keeping characters they feel are necessary and/or the characters they like. Some people invent goals for themselves as mentioned by HailMary, e.g. a player that can afford to Sentry-bomb or Sexmagnet (X-Force/cMagneto) to their liking, chooses to play Colossus/Nick Fury instead. Bravo... that's admirable while most players look for an easier way, but we will still love to find you in our nodes, JoseMartins, thanks for your obscure but easy to beat team comps
Endgame, as in 'almost complete satisfaction with the game', is different for everyone, and it's super-fine.There is no actual endgame to MPQ and there is no such thing as a complete roster imho, because while 5/5/3 stays a subpar build for IM 40 (ditto 5/5 for mBW) and Bag-Man stays an unplayable joke, you are better off not cover-maxing those unless you are just what you are, a completionist

atomzed

locked wrote:

Arktos, you have the mentality of a collector, a completionist to boot. You seem to think there is endgame to MPQ, that there is such a thing even as having a complete roster.

Locked, you said it better than I could.

Arktos, the reason why (I think) d3 has to keep releasing characters, is because that's the only thing that we are doing now. Collecting covers.

Each character can be cover max within 3 months or less (my CM took about that time and I didn't grind her in pve).

If d3 don't continue to pump out characters, there will be a lack of things for people to do.

The way I see it, d3 don't expect people to have *all* the characters. You pick and choose those characters that you want, based on how much you like to pay or grind.

Unknown

That's right, I'm a completionist collector (just imagine my MTG collection for a minute).

So, let's make another calculation, this time not based on money, but on time required to complete the "necessary roster" to play correctly.

Here is the list of characters I think could be needed/useful (in all formats : PvE, PvP and SIM), and say you want to be in the Top 20. And let's start from there.

X-Force,
Nick Fury,
Sentry,
Hood,
Daken,
Cmag,
Colossus,
Falcon,
Human Torch,
Deadpool,
Black Panther,
Blade,
Lcap,
LThor,
Captain Marvel,
Patch,
Ares,
OBW,
Daken 2*,
Storm 2*,
Juggernaut,
Venom

Have I missed something on the list ?

Unknown

atomzed wrote:

locked wrote:

Arktos, you have the mentality of a collector, a completionist to boot. You seem to think there is endgame to MPQ, that there is such a thing even as having a complete roster.

Locked, you said it better than I could.

Arktos, the reason why (I think) d3 has to keep releasing characters, is because that's the only thing that we are doing now. Collecting covers.

Each character can be cover max within 3 months or less (my CM took about that time and I didn't grind her in pve).

If d3 don't continue to pump out characters, there will be a lack of things for people to do.

The way I see it, d3 don't expect people to have *all* the characters. You pick and choose those characters that you want, based on how much you like to pay or grind.

If they keep this diection the game will died within year. No newbie will join the game as the catch up time is far from possible.

Low drop rate in token/ high lv player dominate PVP / tons of 3 star character ( a single cover do nothing) how to progress?

atomzed

benben77 wrote:

atomzed wrote:

locked wrote:

lity of a collector, a completionist to boot. You seem to think there is endgame to MPQ, that there is such a thing even as having a complete roster.

Locked, you said it better than I could.

Arktos, the reason why (I think) d3 has to keep releasing characters, is because that's the only thing that we are doing now. Collecting covers.

Each character can be cover max within 3 months or less (my CM took about that time and I didn't grind her in pve).

If d3 don't continue to pump out characters, there will be a lack of things for people to do.

The way I see it, d3 don't expect people to have *all* the characters. You pick and choose those characters that you want, based on how much you like to pay or grind.

If they keep this diection the game will died within year. No newbie will join the game as the catch up time is far from possible.

Low drop rate in token/ high lv player dominate PVP / tons of 3 star character ( a single cover do nothing) how to progress?

Agree with the issues that you stated.

But to ask them to stop pumping new characters is also a problem as they have nothing to retain the veteran players. So would you want to see the veteran players leave?

Part of their solution to retain new players is the release of 2* covers through in game drop. That helped the 1* to 2* players a lot. However, that also means they stayed in the 2* transition for a long time.

Another of their solution is to "shard" the new players together. So they compete in their own bracket and will have it easier to win 3* covers. Again this has it's issues too as veterans complain about "unfair brackets".

Every solution will solve it's targeted issues.... And create unintended problems. Especially since the issues are complex.

In a perfect world, I would've like d3 to have a raid mode where people can use their mature rosters to hunt chase items. But this requires a major revamp of their current system, something which d3 doesn't seem to.have the resources to do.

Unknown

atomzed wrote:

benben77 wrote:

atomzed wrote:

locked wrote:

lity of a collector, a completionist to boot. You seem to think there is endgame to MPQ, that there is such a thing even as having a complete roster.

Locked, you said it better than I could.

Arktos, the reason why (I think) d3 has to keep releasing characters, is because that's the only thing that we are doing now. Collecting covers.

Each character can be cover max within 3 months or less (my CM took about that time and I didn't grind her in pve).

If d3 don't continue to pump out characters, there will be a lack of things for people to do.

The way I see it, d3 don't expect people to have *all* the characters. You pick and choose those characters that you want, based on how much you like to pay or grind.

If they keep this diection the game will died within year. No newbie will join the game as the catch up time is far from possible.

Low drop rate in token/ high lv player dominate PVP / tons of 3 star character ( a single cover do nothing) how to progress?

Agree with the issues that you stated.

But to ask them to stop pumping new characters is also a problem as they have nothing to retain the veteran players. So would you want to see the veteran players leave?

Part of their solution to retain new players is the release of 2* covers through in game drop. That helped the 1* to 2* players a lot. However, that also means they stayed in the 2* transition for a long time.

Another of their solution is to "shard" the new players together. So they compete in their own bracket and will have it easier to win 3* covers. Again this has it's issues too as veterans complain about "unfair brackets".

Every solution will solve it's targeted issues.... And create unintended problems. Especially since the issues are complex.

In a perfect world, I would've like d3 to have a raid mode where people can use their mature rosters to hunt chase items. But this requires a major revamp of their current system, something which d3 doesn't seem to.have the resources to do.

Pumping character is nothing wrong, but better reward system is required.s...like the current PVP event. I want thor but i only have a 2 star team...i m top 50 with 5XX points how and surrounded by 166.....i know i will get beat to 1XX before the event end and i dont have the chance to get anything. pls look at top 10, they dont need the bonus cover!


A bracket is a must for different level player. You can identify them with different rewards ( veteran player get more)

atomzed

benben77 wrote:

A bracket is a must for different level player. You can identify them with different rewards ( veteran player get more)

There is a "different" bracket. Some form of sharding where newer players are "protected".

But just in this thread alone, you are players asking not to have no "sharding" at all. You can't please all the groups of players.

GrumpySmurf1002

arktos1971 wrote:

That's right, I'm a completionist collector (just imagine my MTG collection for a minute).

So, let's make another calculation, this time not based on money, but on time required to complete the "necessary roster" to play correctly.

Here is the list of characters I think could be needed/useful (in all formats : PvE, PvP and SIM), and say you want to be in the Top 20. And let's start from there.

X-Force, Nick Fury, Sentry, Hood, Daken, Cmag, Colossus, Falcon, Human Torch, Deadpool, Black Panther, Blade, Lcap, LThor, Captain Marvel, Patch, Ares, OBW, Daken 2*, Storm 2*,
Juggernaut, Venom

Have I missed something on the list ?

If you're talking "minimum requirement to be competitive, you have a lot of excess here. You can be competitive without Torch, Blade, Marvel, Daken 2*, Storm 2* and definitely Colossus. BP, Falcon, are fun, but not really necessary either if you have the rest of the list.

Ares/OBW/Jugg/Venom is literally BoP or Combined Arms, and that's it. Even there you can probably get away with no Ares.

PVP: Minimum Sentry/Hood. Optional Daken/Patch (for climbing)
PvE: Minimum XF/LCap/Hood/CMags/Patch/Daken. Optional Falcon, if only for Redwing and Daken support.
Sim: Sentry/Hood/Daken. Optional: Fury/XF/Deadpool/LThor.

Kolence

arktos1971 wrote:

That's right, I'm a completionist collector (just imagine my MTG collection for a minute).

So, let's make another calculation, this time not based on money, but on time required to complete the "necessary roster" to play correctly.

Here is the list of characters I think could be needed/useful (in all formats : PvE, PvP and SIM), and say you want to be in the Top 20. And let's start from there.

X-Force,
Nick Fury,
Sentry,
Hood,
Daken,
Cmag,
Colossus,
Falcon,
Human Torch,
Deadpool,
Black Panther,
Blade,
Lcap,
LThor,
Captain Marvel,
Patch,
Ares,
OBW,
Daken 2*,
Storm 2*,
Juggernaut,
Venom

Have I missed something on the list ?

Well, here are some team combinations that offer unique game tactics (some very powerful, some very fun, at least for me) that no other team or character can duplicate:

Hulk + Patch
Thor (2*/3*) + GSBW + Storm 2*
Spidey + Venom
Storm (3*/1*) + Magneto 3*
Storm 2* + Magneto 2*
Hawkeye 2*
IM40

So, if I had to choose just 20 characters to have fully covered and for both PvP and PvE, I'd probably give up Daken 2* and even Ares who is also very fun to play, especially when boosted, for more combinations available with Hulk, Magneto 2*, GSBW etc.