What does it take to get a complete roster now ?

Unknown

I guess it is now time to list what it takes to have a complete roster.

Ready ? You'll feel dizzy by the figures :

4* :

5, one of which is "only" 344K Iso

Covers : 5 x 13 = 65
HP (maximum you can pay) : 50*2500 = 125 000 (you are supposed to win the first 3 colours for each character)
Iso : 4x430K + 344K = 2 064 K (2 million)

Price : $2619 for Iso, $619 for the HP

3* :

28, 3 of which with only 10 covers

Covers : 25 * 13 + 3 * 10 = 355

HP (same) : 274 * 1250 = 342 500
Iso : 25*170K + 3*110K = 4 580 K

Price : $5800 for the Iso, $1700 for the HP

1* & 2* : 21 characters
You can get the covers very easily, no need to calculate the cost.
Iso : 1 099 K

Price : $1400 for the Iso

Grand Total : $12 200

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Now, let's be cynical for a couple of minutes :

They offered the Alliance slots for the newcomers. Well, that's such a ridiculous gift compared to what has to be achieved...

MojoWild

I've never bought ISO or used HP for covers.
I have a full roster (all characters), all my 2* are covered/maxed with 8 3*s covered/maxed and most are covered except the newer ones. I've only used $ to get HP for roster slots and shields as needed. So, I'm not so dizzy at the cost as much as I am that someone would actually spend all that when they don't have to.

Edit: Ms. Marvel is a new 2* so I don't have her covered and leveled yet.

GrumpySmurf1002

arktos1971 wrote:

24, 2 of which with only 10 covers

3: Doom, Loki, Rags.

HailMary

Title corrected for accuracy: How much money would you need to buy a fully maxed roster if you literally did nothing in-game besides winning 1/1/1 covers for 3*s and picking up 2* covers along the way.

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Marginal attempt at "relevance."

Unknown

HailMary wrote:

Title corrected for accuracy: How much money would you need to buy a fully maxed roster if you literally did nothing in-game besides winning 1/1/1 covers for 3*s and picking up 2* covers along the way.

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Marginal attempt at "relevance."

It wouldn't fit

Unknown

Updated. Was missing 3*3* characters.

Unknown

MojoWild wrote:

I've never bought ISO or used HP for covers.
I have a full roster (all characters), all my 2* are covered/maxed with 8 3*s covered/maxed and most are covered except the newer ones. I've only used $ to get HP for roster slots and shields as needed. So, I'm not so dizzy at the cost as much as I am that someone would actually spend all that when they don't have to.

Edit: Ms. Marvel is a new 2* so I don't have her covered and leveled yet.

I mentioned "complete roster". That makes a big difference.

HailMary

arktos1971 wrote:

I mentioned "complete roster". That makes a big difference.

And JCT's definition of "complete roster" is even more ambitious.

Also, I'm not sure such pedantry is all that effective coming from someone with three L166 Hoods.

Unknown

My point was : how come a newcomer build up a complete roster ?

Special mention for Hood : he is my favorite character as I use him all the time.

NorthernPolarity

Lets be honest, the numbers look more like this:

HP: Sentry covers + Hood Covers: 20 x 1500 = 30000 HP = $150.
Iso: Who cares because no non-rich person is going to spend a dime on iso, and will play the game to earn their iso instead.

Yes, your numbers make sense if you want to buy a "complete" roster, but who even cares about having a complete roster when there's only 2 relevant characters in the game for PvP anyways? Your indignation regarding this doesn't make a lot of sense.

Unknown

You need to choose a third character if you want to play in Sim.

Daken ?

You should be banned to be against roster diversity.

Unknown

Just to make it even more expensive, remember you have to buy a roster slot for each character, that certainly adds on a few dollars!

Unknown

Jimilinho wrote:

Just to make it even more expensive, remember you have to buy a roster slot for each character, that certainly adds on a few dollars!

Exactly, but I did not remember the price for each slot, so I did not calculate it.

DrNitroman

Jimilinho wrote:

Just to make it even more expensive, remember you have to buy a roster slot for each character, that certainly adds on a few dollars!

What actually bothers me much is the increasing cost of roster slot.
For me it's now 700 HP a slot and as I am a collector I don't want to sell some characters, not even Yelena

I am in a top 250 alliance and rarely go above top 25 in pvp, so the flow of HP is not too bad but if cost keeps increasing it will soon not be enough.

Sure, with the devaluation of alliance slots, I wonder if they could decrease roster slot cost. Or at least make a constant price.
I know it's an entry of money for the game but a flat price of 500 hp above 50 th slot for example would seem fair for both player and MPQ I think

Unknown

DrNitroman wrote:

Jimilinho wrote:

Just to make it even more expensive, remember you have to buy a roster slot for each character, that certainly adds on a few dollars!

What actually bothers me much is the increasing cost of roster slot.
For me it's now 700 HP a slot and as I am a collector I don't want to sell some characters, not even Yelena

I am in a top 250 alliance and rarely go above top 25 in pvp, so the flow of HP is not too bad but if cost keeps increasing it will soon not be enough.

Sure, with the devaluation of alliance slots, I wonder if they could decrease roster slot cost. Or at least make a constant price.
I know it's an entry of money for the game but a flat price of 500 hp above 50 th slot for example would seem fair for both player and MPQ I think

They should make the roster slots free in the next months. Just the way they made the Alliance slots for free. We'll be screwed thousands of HP then.

HailMary

arktos1971 wrote:

My point was : how come a newcomer build up a complete roster ?

Hahahaha, of course it was.

At this point, it's a wonder you didn't try to guesstimate the number of 42-token packs needed to avoid the tedious hassle of winning any covers at all: "Well, it takes about $15,000 to acquire and max every single playable character in the game (except for GT) without fighting a single enemy. That's outrageous because, let's be real, that's actually what everyone secretly wants to do. [insert reference to current forum complaint]"

Lystrata

HailMary wrote:

arktos1971 wrote:

My point was : how come a newcomer build up a complete roster ?

Hahahaha, of course it was.

At this point, it's a wonder you didn't try to guesstimate the number of 42-token packs needed to avoid the tedious hassle of winning any covers at all: "Well, it takes about $15,000 to acquire and max every single playable character in the game (except for GT) without fighting a single enemy. That's outrageous because, let's be real, that's actually what everyone secretly wants to do. [insert reference to current forum complaint]"

Why bother white-knighting this, of all things? Of course it's unrealistic that 99.99% of players are going to go down the 'buy everything' route. (Won't say all, because I'm sure there'll be that one person whose day will be made by proving me wrong... *shakes fist*)

From what I can tell, the point of the thread wasn't 'this is what it costs us all'. Point was... this is what it's valued at, presently.
*shrug*
I found it an interesting exercise in perceived value/cost. Was interesting information, nothing much else.

NorthernPolarity

Lystrata wrote:

HailMary wrote:

arktos1971 wrote:

My point was : how come a newcomer build up a complete roster ?

Hahahaha, of course it was.

At this point, it's a wonder you didn't try to guesstimate the number of 42-token packs needed to avoid the tedious hassle of winning any covers at all: "Well, it takes about $15,000 to acquire and max every single playable character in the game (except for GT) without fighting a single enemy. That's outrageous because, let's be real, that's actually what everyone secretly wants to do. [insert reference to current forum complaint]"

Why bother white-knighting this, of all things? Of course it's unrealistic that 99.99% of players are going to go down the 'buy everything' route. (Won't say all, because I'm sure there'll be that one person whose day will be made by proving me wrong... *shakes fist*)

From what I can tell, the point of the thread wasn't 'this is what it costs us all'. Point was... this is what it's valued at, presently.
*shrug*
I found it an interesting exercise in perceived value/cost. Was interesting information, nothing much else.

arktos1971 wrote:

Now, let's be cynical for a couple of minutes :

They offered the Alliance slots for the newcomers. Well, that's such a ridiculous gift compared to what has to be achieved..

Don't think you've read enough arktos threads, Lystrata.

Unknown

HM : Not good enough at maths to calculate the amount needed to build a roster from those wonderful 10 packs.

I have a question of common sense :

If no one will pay for the roster, if it's now impossible to complete a full roster by playing : what's the point ?

Shouldn't there be a way to complete a roster ? (if it's not money).

They want roster diversity, but in the end, the players have no choice but play with a handful of characters ? I don't get it.

If you have an answer, it is welcome.

Lystrata

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Don't think you've read enough arktos threads, Lystrata.

Eh, have read many. Just don't see this in particular as being all that controversial / attacking / in need of defence.

Actually think it raises a valid point. 'They' value the current roster at $12,000+ ... which is crazy. A lifetime subscription to many games, unlocking all possible content, usually only reaches into the hundreds. Paying for a yearly subscription to many games, for life, would never come close to 12k.

Just seems an extraordinary price to put on virtual goods.

NorthernPolarity

Lystrata wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Don't think you've read enough arktos threads, Lystrata.

Eh, have read many. Just don't see this in particular as being all that controversial / attacking / in need of defence.

Actually think it raises a valid point. 'They' value the current roster at $12,000+ ... which is crazy. A lifetime subscription to many games, unlocking all possible content, usually only reaches into the hundreds. Paying for a yearly subscription to many games, for life, would never come close to 12k.

Just seems an extraordinary price to put on virtual goods.

Honestly I highly doubt that Iso-8 was meant to be purchased by anyone except the super whales of the game. Its clearly a non-essential currency since you don't NEED to level every single one of your characters to max in order to be competitive at all. The thing about F2P games is that they're meant to give outlets for all sorts of players to spend as much money as they want: if a guy wants to spend 10k on MPQ, they can by buying ISO. That's why I think it's silly that you guys are incorporating the cost of ISO-8 into this calculation, since it obviously wasn't meant to be bought to max out your entire roster unless you have a ton of disposable income or financially irresponsible. The more reasonable thing to do would be to look at how much HP it takes to cover max everyone, and at roughly 1.7k, that's more reasonable relatively speaking.

I mean the way it actually works is like this:
For the people who just want to be self-sustaining and competitive in PvP, it's $150 to propel yourself from 2* land instantly into the top 25 with Sentry / Hood, at which point you're sustainable.
For the people who are slightly more unreasonable and want to cover max all their guys, it's $1700.
For the people who want to cover max AND level max their guys instantly even though its completely unnecessary to do so, it's $12,000.

The lifetime subscription thing should be compared to the $150 dollar model, which is more reasonable than comparing it to the $12,000 model. It's still quite high, but its not as crazy as you guys make it seem.