Poll: Which 3* Most Needs a Buff?

Unknown

Right now, the change queue appears to be:
1) 2* Hawkeye (buff, presumably)
2) 3* Magneto (nerfed to oblivion)
3) 4* Wolverine (buffed to hopeful eventual usefulness)

With these done, who would you like to see buffed next? I restricted it to 3*s because I felt like it, and stocked the poll with the bottom 13 3*s from mischiefmaker's very helpful character survey, plus the two new ones that he (out of necessity) left out.

I thought about doing a nerfs poll as well, but don't really want to give them any ideas in that regard.

Unknown

I put IM40, because when he does have a buff he is a good character to play with.

Unknown

LOL, if I had 5 options to pick that would be the exact 5 having votes atm.

Nonce Equitaur 2

It's funny to see Sentry on this list.

I'm gearing up to support the major buff Magneto will need after his nerf, when even Ragnarok can casually outclass him. It'll be a sad day when the master of magnetism is reduced to being beat up by a metal robot.

HairyDave

Toxicadam wrote:

I put IM40, because when he does have a buff he is a good character to play with.

This. He's just too expensive (not including the side effects) compared to the newer 3*s.

I put Spidey down too but I don't think he needs a buff as much as a slight readjustment in the era of True Healing. Web Bandages a couple of points cheaper would probably do.

Unknown

Ragnarok, Loki, and Doctor Doom all need a third power.

Iron Man (Model 40): It's the sign of a broken character when you have people on the forums suggesting to keep him intentionally **** at 5/5/1 or 5/5/2.

I feel strongly that D3 will get the "true diversity" they wanted if they'd take another look at these characters and ask themselves "why are they never used outside of LRs or essential nodes?"

Spider Man's yellow and Daredevil's trap mechanic needs re-evaluation, but I personally don't care about those two anymore.

Unknown

Loki and Daredevil speak for themselves. Both are damn near useless.


Loki in particular has no reason to be leveled because his black does no damage while his purple only does match damage. Keeping him unleveled on the bench is better than making him much bigger if only to keep him covered if running other black, green, and purple characters.

Daredevil only benefits from leveleing when his red trap hits, which is infrequent at best. Given that this trap can be destroyed or overwritten by numerous processes which don't count as a hit (The Best There Is, Pheremone Rage, Lightning Strike, etc), it severely limits the usefulness of Daredevil's best power.


I went with Dr. Doom for #3 because his black is great but his blue is only a setup to using his black. Having a purple power with an activation cost which could be functional in any way would make him far more useful if only because there are a limited number of purple powers of that type. Most of the purple powers outside of Widow's tend to be passives like Spider Sense and Avoid.

farlus

IM40. I think he would be the easiest to bring into usefulness. He is a utility character at present that just has too many unnecessary negatives (AP costs rising with levels AND AP loss with skill use) that may have been OK when he was introduced, but is just way out of line with current character balance. He is on the cusp of being back in the mix though with just a couple of tweaks. Sadly it seems he's not even near the radar at present.

mohio

This is tough because obviously Loki is the worst, but other characters might actually be usable with a buff so you could argue they "need" it more. I would probably like to see spidey made useful again the most (despite having just a 4/2/2) since he's the flagship marvel character. After that the 2-ability guys desperately need a 3rd. I guess I'll vote Loki since he needs a 3rd ability and the 2 he has are so bad.

Unknown

I like Trickery from loki. When I go against computers with high level swords or shields, it helps out a lot. If they fix the bug with Falcon, if it hasn't already been fixed, it becomes really fun. I usually run him with OBW so he can generating blacks very fast. Add a tank like LThor and I'm good to go. I would only use his purple as a last resort in PvE though, but it has saved my team a couple of times. I also keep him at a lower level so he never comes out.

Phaserhawk

Of characters who have 3 abilties, IM40 and DD are those in need of buffs and funbalancing. IM40 is really easy to fix too, get rid of the AP drain on red, but drop the damage, then allow his red to do more damage if you have AP in other colors. Blue, that's the easiest to fix, drop the cost by about 5-6 and again get rid of the aP drain and it's useable. Yellow needs the least amount of work, It is wickedly powerful but it just costs I think 1-2 too much AP at higher levels.

DD, I think could be massively improved by 1 or 2 of the following. Just move his red to black, you can still have it as a red ability just have the tiles move to black, or lower all the AP costs by 1. he has a cool mechanic, his biggest problem is, he is so uninteractive, not to mention he is worthless against goons.

Spoit

No love for ragman?

trat73

Went with Hulk. Him being "The Strongest One There Is" and all. Red Smash is fine but Green Thunderous Clap needs to be more powerful.

Unknown

I would have to say Daredevil hands down.

Until his traps are random, there are just way too many ways to easily disarm/remove his traps.

Loki's purple and lack are both really useful and only his health lacks at that point. That being said, the 2 ability characters could all use something for a third ability as they just feel unfinished.

Falcon although fun either really needs his purple to be cheaper and less effective or have his health boosted in the 5800-7600 range for a defensive character.

over_clocked

Spoit wrote:

No love for ragman?

I really really wanted to vote for Rags, but he's kinda not high-profile, and besides, don't forget that players have to fight DAs a lot, and we already have Daken/Bullseye love/hate combo and Ares/Juggs/Sentry to deal with. (Though Juggs is not a DA, we sure see him a lot.) I voted for the high profile heroes IM 40 and Spidey, and Loki. Poor Spidey cannot catch a break, he's just a character but that's simply mean.

Der_Lex

I'm actually very curious about why those who picked the 'dark horses' that got one or two votes made their decision. Because personally I'd say Sentry, Hulk and Torch are all top tier characters, and Psylocke is about on par with Punisher, so she's pretty great as well. I honestly don't see why any of them need buffs.

My own votes went to Loki, Daredevil and IM40, all for the abovementioned reasons. I like Phaserhawk's suggestions for IM40 and DD fixes.

over_clocked

Der_Lex wrote:

I'm actually very curious about why those who picked the 'dark horses' that got one or two votes made their decision. Because personally I'd say Sentry, Hulk and Torch are all top tier characters, and Psylocke is about on par with Punisher, so she's pretty great as well. I honestly don't see why any of them need buffs.

Well, perhaps they want these good characters to be great (although Sentry does not need any help, and his self-damage is much more in-character than Ares or Juggs' imo, who are very basic and straightforward). Imagine Torch having more HP, or Hulk getting angry easier, or Psylocke actually doing something useful with blue, they'd shoot to top tier immediately.

Unknown

Daredevils fix is so easy. Just make all his traps random colors. Done

IM40 just needs a slight reduction on the cost of red and blue to maybe 12/14

NighteyesGrisu

Loki, Rags and Doom don't really need a buff, just a third power.

So I'd say the one that needs a buff most is IM40 (well, spidy too, and most likely post-nerf mags...but fat chance of that)

Der_Lex

locked wrote:

Der_Lex wrote:

I'm actually very curious about why those who picked the 'dark horses' that got one or two votes made their decision. Because personally I'd say Sentry, Hulk and Torch are all top tier characters, and Psylocke is about on par with Punisher, so she's pretty great as well. I honestly don't see why any of them need buffs.

Well, perhaps they want these good characters to be great (although Sentry does not need any help, and his self-damage is much more in-character than Ares or Juggs' imo, who are very basic and straightforward). Imagine Torch having more HP, or Hulk getting angry easier, or Psylocke actually doing something useful with blue, they'd shoot to top tier immediately.

Maybe this is Phantron rubbing off on me, but I think that if you take the overpowered characters like c. Mags and arguably Sentry out of the equation, those characters are already great, and buffing them further would be pushing them into that 'overpowered' realm that a healthy game needs to avoid. The entire concept of Torch is that he's a glass cannon, like the classic D&D mage: low on HP (although low is relative, he's on par with Patch, Daken and Punisher), big on damage. I've been running him with a Patch/Daken team in the simulator, and Inferno combined with a few of daken's strike tiles and one or two fireballs makes for very quick matches (and once you fire that first fireball off, two matches will get you another one... 2500-3000 dmg for two red matches is insanely good). Hulk gets angry quickly enough if your opponent isn't careful when dealing with him, and when/if he's being careful, there are other threats on the board and/or more hulk greens coming his way, making Hulk a nasty defender still. Psylocke's blue is not great, but not bad either, and I think we need to see how the meta for blue changes when the last of the two overpowered blues gets fixed before we can see that.

Long story short, it's okay if characters have downsides (and that they're pretty average if they don't, like Punisher). Even the current top tier characters have flaws: Hood has low HP and arguably only one useful (albeit very useful) ability, C Mags has relatively low HP (few high level defensive teams are easier to take down than c Mags/Patch), Sentry hurts your own team, Patch can do more damage to you than to the opponent if you're not careful, Daken loses HP each turn on a bad board and his active ability eats his strike tiles, and lThor, the closest to a 'perfect' character, takes a lot of time to build up his punishment. A lot of characters in this poll are obviously underpowered and actually need a buff, but I think it'd be a healthier design philosophy to take characters that are too powerful down a notch than to push everything to 'over 9000' power levels. Power creep is never a good thing in the long run.

Thanos

Seriously, we only get to pick 3?