Screwed out of She-Hulk covers

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I don't understand. OBW wasn't even allowed in the Heroic Event. If you were prologue healing after every node, that's your problem.

I don't have a psylocke and my IM40 was about lvl 40. I even joined the event only after they removed healing and got 3 Covers.

SnowcaTT

Exact same situation. I was playing hard, grinding the nodes, really wanted to get the She-Hulk. Had just gotten X-force and Daken last week to complete the upper star characters I needed - didn't have roster space and had to buy a slot. And guess what? If I had gotten She-Hulk I wouldn't have had roster space and WOULD have bought a slot.

BUT--they changed the rules DURING the tournament. Last day in the morning I was top 50, but the developers told me I was playing to much and not having fun (apparently). I thought I was enjoying my time and having fun, but D3 told me: nope! Have this change! Play less!

Out of top 50, out of top 100, no She-Hulk reward. And so...no money for you D3! Good for you, you changed the rules and lost that purchase, as well as any other you would ever get. I'm never giving you another dime, it is **** to pull changes without telling anyone when, and to put them in events.

I'll play less, just like I was told! How about none? Is that less?

SnowcaTT

PPPlaya wrote:

I don't understand. OBW wasn't even allowed in the Heroic Event. If you were prologue healing after every node, that's your problem.

I don't have a psylocke and my IM40 was about lvl 40. I even joined the event only after they removed healing and got 3 Covers.

Yep, we know their scaling sometimes works and sometimes doesn't....sometimes the late comes sweep in and get everything.

Psylock wasn't needed in this event. What is your roster? If you have lots of 3*'s you'll be able to do any node at basically any scale. If you have 1*'s still your scaling is so low you'll win a few events until they screw you over after a couple of those wins.

I was prologue healing after every node - it was the only option I had to stay competitive. But apparently their plan is not to let the 2*->3* transition be possible, the rewards should all go to the already stacked 3* folks.

3*: ALL THE REWARDZ! (nom nom nonm)

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I would say that there is a decent chance that the next PvP features she hulk or offers her as a reward. So, there may be an opportunity to get a cover before her featured PvE is launched. I have no covers either, so this may just be wishful thinking.

SnowcaTT

HairyDave wrote:

pasa_ wrote:

I took the wiser route and just abandoned the event for good, finished #203 for hawkeye but saved all the trouble and time and nerves.

I did something similar - got the IM40 cover and said that's enough.

BUT: Would you have gotten the IM cover with the healing change in the first place?

The only reason I got to the 22K point was prologue healing. The scaling was crazy, the rosters were limited, and my roster was nearly wiped after every single essential node: and those were the "easy" ones after day one.

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PPPlaya wrote:

I don't understand. OBW wasn't even allowed in the Heroic Event. If you were prologue healing after every node, that's your problem.

I don't have a psylocke and my IM40 was about lvl 40. I even joined the event only after they removed healing and got 3 Covers.

Please state the level of Daken in your nodes.

Dragon_Nexus

Ares had, like, 1 hit to go before he was dead and my team were doing okay. His turn he unleashes his moves, gets a ridiculous cascade, releases more moves and downs two of my guys leaving me with one at low health. I finish him off and that's me completely done. But hey, only half an hour left things should be fine.

Left ranked 5, thinking I'd be okay for top 20 at worst. I ended up at 25th and only got one cover. Guy at 20th had just over 300 points more than me, so if I'd completed one or two more nodes I'd have got two covers. No way I could have done that without buying health packs, and I'm not doing that.

Oh well, that's life I guess.

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SnowcaTT wrote:

PPPlaya wrote:

I don't understand. OBW wasn't even allowed in the Heroic Event. If you were prologue healing after every node, that's your problem.

I don't have a psylocke and my IM40 was about lvl 40. I even joined the event only after they removed healing and got 3 Covers.

Yep, we know their scaling sometimes works and sometimes doesn't....sometimes the late comes sweep in and get everything.

Psylock wasn't needed in this event. What is your roster? If you have lots of 3*'s you'll be able to do any node at basically any scale. If you have 1*'s still your scaling is so low you'll win a few events until they screw you over after a couple of those wins.

I was prologue healing after every node - it was the only option I had to stay competitive. But apparently their plan is not to let the 2*->3* transition be possible, the rewards should all go to the already stacked 3* folks.

3*: ALL THE REWARDZ! (nom nom nonm)

Lvl 120 IM40 125 CStorm 125 Thor. plus 55 Widow and 55 Torch. All the others were locked.
The Daken of the Last Node was 130 or something. The node was marked as Deadly.

As for healing, I am barely making any progress in the PVP. Got 150 points before all my teams were wiped. But the PVE was enjoyable since I don't use Prologue Healing anyway.

SnowcaTT

bonerang wrote:

I would say that there is a decent chance that the next PvP features she hulk or offers her as a reward. So, there may be an opportunity to get a cover before her featured PvE is launched. I have no covers either, so this may just be wishful thinking.

This won't matter much either, now without healing the 2* rosters are toast to compete in PVP. We only have 12 characters possible to use, and really you can just toss out Bagman/Bullseye out of those, and possibly Cap. Plus you have to toss another one out if they don't allow use because it's duplicated as the 3* (like hollowpoint, where I can't use my OBW).

So I can run 3-4 matches and then I have to quit for several hours. Or, if I'm on Steam (I am), and can only play morning/night -- I can only play twice, period.

3*'s have said this change doesn't really effect them, since they never healed. But 2*'s had to grind to be able to top 100, you had to play LOTS of matchups. I know, I've top 100'd with a 2* roster the last five times in a row.

Without that grind, there is no way to get the covers. Without getting the covers, there is no way to get from 2* -> 3*. And with no way to get to a 3* roster, you have to abandon this game once you max out your 2* roster (or you have to pay $100/day for health packs).

scottee

Prologue healing wasn't the only way to stay competitive in this event. I didn't prologue heal once and got top 20. That was using a level 40 IM40 and buffed 2* characters. It's a marathon but the end if the race counts more than the beginning. Just like any other race. I know it's frustrating, but it's like saying, "but I was winning for the first 46 minutes," before getting a cramp in the last two.

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SnowcaTT wrote:

HairyDave wrote:

pasa_ wrote:

I took the wiser route and just abandoned the event for good, finished #203 for hawkeye but saved all the trouble and time and nerves.

I did something similar - got the IM40 cover and said that's enough.

BUT: Would you have gotten the IM cover with the healing change in the first place?

The only reason I got to the 22K point was prologue healing. The scaling was crazy, the rosters were limited, and my roster was nearly wiped after every single essential node: and those were the "easy" ones after day one.

For the record I could go for #1 if I chose to, and even catch up to 2 covers in the last hours. Looked at the final scores, puny 7k difference? Done in mere should have wake up at 4.30AM and do 2 clears on all nodes.

If the event originally started that way, still doable though probably would dump the 40k ISO into cStorm, maybe push IM and torch further too, maybe even give in and dump the 60k needed for thor too (still fitting in my 160k reserve), and use up my stock of health packs (think have 16 ATM, used last one over a month ago). And obviously should have kept more of the schedule.

When the event started I could make almost a full clear without heal and torch would heal up himself in the 2.5h, only IM40 asking for a health pack. From start there would be less scaling too -- the last rounds were pretty taxing on health on the valuable nodes.

Honestly I lost interest after maybe the 3rd repeat. And the full play would require 29 plays on each of 13 nodes? Not sure what would be accurate estimate counting on rubberband, still way too much of the same. (I did enjoy it the first few times with torch first time playing with full covers.)

Actually people like me (miss maybe 12 *** covers not counting the latest; most developed to appropriate 80-100-130-141 levels) could RULE the arena especially if can adjust play schedule a bit, but I decided to go for an open-ended boycott out of disgust.

Marvelous

pasa_ wrote:

The only reason I got to the 22K point was prologue healing. The scaling was crazy, the rosters were limited, and my roster was nearly wiped after every single essential node: and those were the "easy" ones after day one.

This..

My team was wiped out after every fight. I could not have played every 2 1/2 or 3 hours because my team was barely healed at that point with only 2k hit points. Jugg or Ares could take out a team mate in a single blow or worst having Hood prevent me from acquiring the colors I need. What kills me is that on a previous forum someone posted this:

aflynn wrote:
what can be done about players exploiting OBW and other covers healing abilities in prologue to gain a higher pt total afterwards in PvP events We've got an idea about that. It's currently in test at the moment. If it works out, you can expect rioting in the streets on the forums when we talk about what we're planning for a change. Mainly because Prologue healing has been status quo for so long that any change to that is going to make people HULK SMASH angry.

So literally they were planning on doing something that they new was going to make majority of their players really upset. That doesn't make any sense to me, why would you want to upset a huge chunk of your fan base. This game is doing what a lot of "free to Play" games are. They are nickel and diming the community to a point where at some point to play this at all, everything is going to cost you. As it stands this is "Free to Try" and " Pay to Play" now.

If you want to make money D3, don't be a d**k and force players out of the game and make them pay to be able to win. This is only going to get people to quit or stop playing. Lets be honest, the whales are going to piss money into this game regardless... so your real issue is getting the penny pinchers or the poor like myself to spend money. Here's a tip.. listen closely. When I win a new cover, it excites me! Even if the new character is not that great, I know I have a good chance in the next event because they will be the featured/buffed character. I like Marvel and their superhero's, so part of the fun is collecting all the covers/characters. However in the process of playing, buying health packs/shields etc. is a bit of a turn off. I might do it in a rare instance (more likely to buy a shield) because I'm really trying to place well, but the idea of those items are ways to "Pay to Win". And 1.) I can't afford to dump tons of money into that, to do that and 2.) I want to play this and still do fairly decently knowing that the top players are made up of people who PLAY not just PAY a lot. Here's what I do buy though........Gold. Yep, that's right. When I'm playing and winning new characters and want to add them to my roster. So I will buy roster slots. And guess what, in return I'll be playing the game more.. which leads to more covers, more excitement, and me buying more roster space (and the occasional shield).
You should not make getting new covers difficult, in fact they should be easier to acquire. Maybe maxing out the covers for them can be difficult and a grind but initially winning brand new covers shouldn't require players to have to dump money into health packs because they can not heal outside of giving up money, hence, NOT FREE TO PLAY. We all know the new characters will be in the next event, and I would think d3 wants to have the most people playing. If I know I won't do well in the next event plus I won't be able to heal (or whatever they plan on changing next to force you to cough up money) I'm not going to play as much.. hence I'll spend nothing at all. And if this trends continues and more and more new characters are released and forced for players to use to do well, myself and other players like me will fall farther and farther behind to a point that we'll just give up on the game and delete it from our phones/tablets or whatever.

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SnowcaTT wrote:

HairyDave wrote:

pasa_ wrote:

I took the wiser route and just abandoned the event for good, finished #203 for hawkeye but saved all the trouble and time and nerves.

I did something similar - got the IM40 cover and said that's enough.

BUT: Would you have gotten the IM cover with the healing change in the first place?

The only reason I got to the 22K point was prologue healing. The scaling was crazy, the rosters were limited, and my roster was nearly wiped after every single essential node: and those were the "easy" ones after day one.

Who were you using? Are you using boosts early on to breeze through the early nodes, because that can really screw you in the end.

I didn't have all of the required characters, but I did have Thor and Storm maxed which helps a lot (Storms blue is a beast when she's boosted). Otherwise, I have a 44 (fully covered) GSBW and a 56 (almost fully covered) HT that basically played support damage roles for Thor and Storm. I also had IM40 for the essential nodes, but he's only level 18 and 1/1/1.

I'm not sure why everyone is saying this event was so hard or that they would wipe after 1 node. To me, that's your fault and with the right characters and good play you could avoid getting destroyed in every node.

HairyDave

SnowcaTT wrote:

HairyDave wrote:

pasa_ wrote:

I took the wiser route and just abandoned the event for good, finished #203 for hawkeye but saved all the trouble and time and nerves.

I did something similar - got the IM40 cover and said that's enough.

BUT: Would you have gotten the IM cover with the healing change in the first place?

The only reason I got to the 22K point was prologue healing. The scaling was crazy, the rosters were limited, and my roster was nearly wiped after every single essential node: and those were the "easy" ones after day one.

Absolutely.

No prologue healing at all from me but I also had relatively low levels and I've levelled most of the restricted roster to some extent. The healing change actually helped because IM40, Torch and GSBW were regenerating faster than they used to.

killerkoala

"true healing" isn't "play to win", there is no guarantee you will win, it's basically payola "pay to play". you have no hero points to buy health packs; you don't get to play more that 4 or 5 matches. it's devastating for 2*->3* rosters, especially in PvP.

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Jkells wrote:

I'm not sure why everyone is saying this event was so hard or that they would wipe after 1 node. To me, that's your fault and with the right characters and good play you could avoid getting destroyed in every node.

The event wasn't that hard before they changed healing and seem to have increased the odds of bad cascades. One bad cascade and your play session is over especially when they limit the characters you can use. I don't need to point out saying you want diversity while constantly restricting peoples rosters is a bit hypocritical.

MojoWild

PPPlaya wrote:

I don't understand. OBW wasn't even allowed in the Heroic Event. If you were prologue healing after every node, that's your problem.

I don't have a psylocke and my IM40 was about lvl 40. I even joined the event only after they removed healing and got 3 Covers.

Yes, this. No healers were included in this event. I didn't do any prologue healing (just too tedious to do for me), was usually around 30th after a sweep of the high points and placed around 60th. When I played, I usually ground until I had no more health packs left or viable characters. I don't really buy the argument that the healing nerf affected this. Also, as far as I could tell, the change took place after the event? Regardless, I wasn't prologue healing so I wouldn't know.

It really does show how much OBW was overused with all this reaction to the healing nerf. In Hotshot, whenever I saw a match without OBW, I invariably jumped on it, relieved to have found a match where I didn't have to play against her.

MojoWild

thatguy13 wrote:

Jkells wrote:

I'm not sure why everyone is saying this event was so hard or that they would wipe after 1 node. To me, that's your fault and with the right characters and good play you could avoid getting destroyed in every node.

The event wasn't that hard before they changed healing and seem to have increased the odds of bad cascades. One bad cascade and your play session is over especially when they limit the characters you can use. I don't need to point out saying you want diversity while constantly restricting peoples rosters is a bit hypocritical.

The Heroics typically have a limited roster. However, most of the choices in this one were characters that could do damage to the entire opposing team. Also, most were characters that about everyone should have.

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MojoWild wrote:

The Heroics typically have a limited roster. However, most of the choices in this one were characters that could do damage to the entire opposing team. Also, most were characters that about everyone should have.

That's not really the point. Yeah they gave some options but they are still limiting choices. When you really get down to it most events are the same. If you have a featured RGY character you are going to try to play chars that give you BBP that don't suck. The way the game is built in combination with the potential for cover shortages shoe-horn you into limited options to begin with. Add in that they are making it harder to play long sessions and harder to win events and it makes it damn hard to get the newer covers, which would encourage diversity which is what they claimed to be doing.

I don't see why they needed to nerf healing outside of profit, who cares if OBW heals, she dies really fast and upper level players don't use her so again devs only hurt the midrange players the way they always do when they nerf things. I could have maxed my spiderman but given that they nerfed his abilities to beyond useless why would I? Oh he heals faster so he can die again terrific! Instead of nerfing the healers they should have just made new ones. Heaven forbid they do something creative. Let's roll out more lazy versions that will be fun! These boards feed them so many ideas(FOR FREE, I have to wonder what their dev team actually does) on how they could make money but they choose the easier path and don't do anything new they just swing the nerf bat some more.