Hibernum_JC wrote: There's another reason why this is costed higher, too. This type of effect is an effect that can be triggered multiple times per turn. Drana's Emissary is automatically triggered and can only trigger once per turn. Zulaport is like that because it can combo rather nicely with all the life gain effects in Black. That's the intent behind the card, anyway.
majincob wrote: Is there a difference between casting a creature and a creature coming into play on your side? With hangarback and him out, do all the tokens trigger it? It would make a black/green planeswalker pretty attractive.
span_argoman wrote: Best scenario I can think of is Zulaport Cutthroat, Defiant Bloodlord and Hangarback Walker on the table.
shteev wrote: span_argoman wrote: Best scenario I can think of is Zulaport Cutthroat, Defiant Bloodlord and Hangarback Walker on the table. For the low, low cost of 57 mana.
alextfish wrote: Hibernum_JC wrote: There's another reason why this is costed higher, too. This type of effect is an effect that can be triggered multiple times per turn. Drana's Emissary is automatically triggered and can only trigger once per turn. Zulaport is like that because it can combo rather nicely with all the life gain effects in Black. That's the intent behind the card, anyway. Presumably you mean all the cards that trigger off lifegain in black? That was what I wanted to play. But I still found 18 mana so outrageously overpriced for a 2/2 that won't even reliably trigger every turn that I couldn't bring myself to play it. If it were a 2/2 with lifelink, that'd gain about 3 times as much life, and even that'd be pretty much unplayable at 18 mana.
span_argoman wrote: shteev wrote: span_argoman wrote: Best scenario I can think of is Zulaport Cutthroat, Defiant Bloodlord and Hangarback Walker on the table. For the low, low cost of 57 mana. Are you kidding? This is Black we're talking about. Liliana doesn't pay the full mana cost to summon creatures. Plus Zulaport Cutthroat and Defiant Bloodlord stay there for repeated use.
shteev wrote: span_argoman wrote: shteev wrote: span_argoman wrote: Best scenario I can think of is Zulaport Cutthroat, Defiant Bloodlord and Hangarback Walker on the table. For the low, low cost of 57 mana. Are you kidding? This is Black we're talking about. Liliana doesn't pay the full mana cost to summon creatures. Plus Zulaport Cutthroat and Defiant Bloodlord stay there for repeated use. They do against any opponent who plays no Defenders. Or Berserkers. Or creature destruction. Or direct damage. Or bounce. Plus, what kind of player are we taking about here who has to play common cards for which the power level is 'understandably' low, but has access to Defiant Bloodlord and Hangarback Walker? But by all means, you head into QuickBattle with your Zulaport Cutthroat deck, and post your winstreak here. I imagine JC will have some data on just how many games Zulaport Cuttroat has won so far, and I'm willing to bet it's a pretty low number. Let's do 'Tide Drifter' next. I'm dying to hear about how that one can be the lynchpin of a powerful deck.
And I don't have Hangarback Walker or Ruinous Path to see the combo in action. If I did, I think it would be amusing to see it
soultwist wrote: And I don't have Hangarback Walker or Ruinous Path to see the combo in action. If I did, I think it would be amusing to see it So I am lucky enough to have those two cards, I threw it all together and tested a bit. Honestly it might be too much mana and too contrived to focus on those together, idk. I just grabbed a random story battle and of course it was one that spun out 1/1 defenders so that rules out casting zulaport first. If the walker comes out first then you can't have any other creature or dark petition won't function. Also creatures like awaken will be summoned after zula so zula is more likely dealing defenders/berserkers. It looks like it would be fun but I haven't given it enough time to work out the best plan. I think molten nursery (red) would be a lot more fun with the walker. While trying to match up cards it looks like blacks retreat support, blood cursed knight, and drana are a really fun combo.
Hibernum_JC wrote: alextfish wrote: Presumably you mean all the cards that trigger off lifegain in black? That was what I wanted to play. But I still found 18 mana so outrageously overpriced for a 2/2 that won't even reliably trigger every turn that I couldn't bring myself to play it. If it were a 2/2 with lifelink, that'd gain about 3 times as much life, and even that'd be pretty much unplayable at 18 mana. That is the point, yes. Cards that trigger off life gain in Black. 18 mana is on par for a common with such an effect. Anything that summons multiple tokens is very strong with this card - it's also meant to combo off Awaken so that you can effectively deal damage, heal yourself and potentially have another effect that triggers off life gain.
alextfish wrote: Presumably you mean all the cards that trigger off lifegain in black? That was what I wanted to play. But I still found 18 mana so outrageously overpriced for a 2/2 that won't even reliably trigger every turn that I couldn't bring myself to play it. If it were a 2/2 with lifelink, that'd gain about 3 times as much life, and even that'd be pretty much unplayable at 18 mana.
alextfish wrote: Hibernum_JC wrote: alextfish wrote: Presumably you mean all the cards that trigger off lifegain in black? That was what I wanted to play. But I still found 18 mana so outrageously overpriced for a 2/2 that won't even reliably trigger every turn that I couldn't bring myself to play it. If it were a 2/2 with lifelink, that'd gain about 3 times as much life, and even that'd be pretty much unplayable at 18 mana. That is the point, yes. Cards that trigger off life gain in Black. 18 mana is on par for a common with such an effect. Anything that summons multiple tokens is very strong with this card - it's also meant to combo off Awaken so that you can effectively deal damage, heal yourself and potentially have another effect that triggers off life gain. Oh... okay. Yes, I hadn't expected the token synergies, because the wording on the card says "cast". Making creature tokens is completely different from casting creature spells. So I also hadn't realised that Awaken would trigger this. Once I realise the card's effect is completely different to what the card's wording says... yes, I can see this card is a roleplayer in certain combo decks. All the Awaken cards I have seem painfully overcosted as well so I've never tried them, but it's possible some of the rares are more reasonably priced (I haven't got many BFZ rares). OK, I withdraw my objection to this card, and change my vote to "I see how it could be useful". (Except it'd be great if its text could be fixed to not say "cast", because making tokens is not casting creatures.)