Liljoeyjojo said:I've recently returned to MPQ after a year or two absence and would appreciate any advice for direction of my roster.To give an idea of my current roster, I am in the 4 star transition - Have all 2's and 3's champed, and 12 x 4's champed - The most notable being Capt Marvel, Medusa, Blade and Peggy.
I don't have Polaris rostered yet, and my Juggs has just one cover. I am missing 36 x 4 stars and 36 x 5 stars.
I have 636 CP and 15 LL tokens and have been saving these until I have ~400 pulls to get 2 latest legends however long that might take.
mpiter said:Gamora was replaced by Jug. Her only use now is for the three PVE non-essential nodes where R&G + Jug + Gamora is faster than using Polaris. You do not need to cover Gamora more because only the passives of R&G and Jug will do the damages.
Good. Since you are focused on Kitty, have you already one or two yellow covers for her?
The 4* and 5* are so unbalanced that either you have the key characters or you are out of PVP. So I think that the most important thing is to get as fast as possible a key 5* such as Kitty. As a consequence, I advise you to ONLY USE CP for 3-5* special vaults containing Kitty or to directly buy covers for 250 CP as we could do a couple of weeks ago. What I call 3-5* special vaults are those temporary vaults only containing 3 5* characters and all 4* ones.
Polaris first. Polaris first. Polaris first. Polaris first. Polaris first. Polaris first. Polaris first.By the way, did I mention that you better cover Polaris before Jug?
My main problem is that I do not have a good championed 5*. I only have Kitty 220 level 315, Okoye 441 level 390, BB 433 level 405, G5mbit 422 level 375, and St5nge 403 level 360. The other 5* are too underdeveloped to be listed here. None of my 5* can compete with my main 4*: R&G4, Polaris, Jug4, and Gamora4. Those 4 are sufficient to make PVE SCL 9 like a quick walk except the 5* node (I usually only win one or two fights for that node, and then it is over). So it is not so important right now to me to be able to access the 5* node of the PVE SCL 9 events, but I try anyway to cover each 5*
Theghouse said: Welcome back. Sounds like you got your roster started during the vaulting phase of the game. I also stopped playing around that time and returned a couple of years ago. I now have all 4*s rostered, over 50 champed, and two 5* champs, so it's definitely possible to make the transition even though you might feel so far behind coming back now! Luckily, Carol and Medusa are still high tier 4*s that you will find uses for as you build up the top meta characters. They both play excellent with Rocket and Polaris.
Polaris is a newer character that is hands down the most powerful 4* in the game. Most guides written before her release will tell you to prioritize Rocket, but as someone else said, once you have 5 covers in Rocket's yellow, move your favorite to Polaris and get her champed. The reasoning here is that using Polaris's power to match away strike tiles and multiply them, it doesn't matter how strong they are, just that you start the battle with as many as possible by having his yellow power at 5 covers. After champing Polaris, then target and champ Juggernaut. His team damage on every match amplified by a board full of Polaris's strike tiles is one of the fastest and most brutal 4* combos. Then you can circle back around to finishing Rocket. Polaris has no feeder but Juggs feeds through 3* Magneto and Rocket feeds through Rocket, so you can target them at the 3* level to help your progress.
To answer your number 1, building classic 4* is a long process if you are saving Legendary tokens and CP to do a big pull later (more on this below). Don't expect a lot of help with getting classic 4*... There are so many 4* now that the odds of pulling a specific one in tokens is down to a fraction of a percent, and with new releases taking precedence the PVE rotation for classic 4* is in the multiple years range. PVP rewards will help but even the PVP rewards rotation is a year or longer. Shards, feeders, and strategically pulling your vault tokens are going to be your best hope. Luckily the new milestones feature offers a ton of shard opportunities to help you build your targeted characters.
As for number 2 and 3, the rotation of classic 5*, just like classic 4*, is also less than once a year. It is more critical that you have at least one cover of each of the latest three released 4* and 5* because they are featured much more frequently. I would suggest you open latest legendary tokens until you have at least one cover of each of those 5*.
The 5* pull rate is 15%, and 3 champ 5* requires 39 covers, so starting from 0 covers with absolutely perfect odds and perfectly distributed covers for each character you would need 260 pulls. Taking into account that you might get less than perfect odds and cover distribution, most on the forums recommend at least 350. Doing at least 334 pulls will also earn over 1000 5* shards for 2 additional covers worth. So I would make that your target when you do decide to start saving.
Thanks for the advice. How big of a difference is having the 3 latest legends? What does it do for your rewards and stuff? And do you know how many pulls on average before all 3 Latest legends have been acquired?
Theghouse said: Most players still agree that the best way to get through the game is to build each tier. That doesn't necessarily mean every single 4* champed or even rostered, but until you have the top meta 4* and the top situational 4* champed, and a good majority of the 4* rostered, I would keep opening some form of legendary tokens to keep 4* covers and your target shards coming in to develop your roster. At some point when you decide that your 4* roster is built enough for your play style needs, you can start saving LTs and CPs to pull for 5* champs.
Theghouse said: Thanks for the advice. How big of a difference is having the 3 latest legends? What does it do for your rewards and stuff? And do you know how many pulls on average before all 3 Latest legends have been acquired? If you are placing t200 without most of the 4* and 5* required, I imagine once you are able to cover each of the three latest 4* and 5* for essential nodes you should be able to break into t100, and even better as your roster improves and your team gets faster.With perfect odds, 20 pulls would get you 3 5* covers. Because getting just a few covers is such a small sample size with high deviation from perfect odds, it could take 50 pulls and you might get 7 covers of one 5* before you get any covers of the others. You could also take 3 pulls and get exactly 1 of each.
mpiter said: I would not do that. At Liljoeyjojo's level I think that building the the top meta 4* characters and one top meta 5* is more important than trying to roaster missing characters. I would use the Daily and Milestone rewards, the progression and placement rewards of PVE and/or PVP events, DDQ, alliance rewards, and vaults that do not require CP for the shards. I would definitely hoard the CP right now. I will detail why below.
I would not do that. At Liljoeyjojo's level I think that building the the top meta 4* characters and one top meta 5* is more important than trying to roaster missing characters. I would use the Daily and Milestone rewards, the progression and placement rewards of PVE and/or PVP events, DDQ, alliance rewards, and vaults that do not require CP for the shards. I would definitely hoard the CP right now. I will detail why below.
After Thorkoye and Kitty came, D3 stopped creating better 5*. What have we received since those two deadly girls in several years? Just BBR that some people use in PVE SC 10, and iHulk to be paired with Okoye in PVP. According to what I read, every new other 5* ranked from trash (Wasp) to very nice but always weaker than iHulk+Okoye or Kitty based teams. In other words, you almost never have an interesting 5* in the LL if you do not have Kitty, Okoye, iHulk, and BBR.
Hence, I think his best course of actions are (i) to stay focus on Kitty (whom he chose) and Polaris/Jug4/R&G4; (ii) to earn as much shards, HP, CP, and ISO as possible; (iii) to hoard CP for the Kitty specialized vaults and her covers occasionally sold for 250 CP/cover. Saving CP and LL to reach 350 pulls is probably not a good strategy anymore for the lack of new 5* greater than the current top 5* meta.
Liljoeyjojo said: I ended up pulling my 17 LL tokens - partly to test, partly on your advice and partly because of the itch to pull. I got 3 5 stars total (Deadpool and Magneto), all in the first 5 pulls. Ill need to test a little more to see how long it takes me to collect LL's again. Ill keep my CP for some Kitty specific pulls down the track.
Liljoeyjojo said:But there is nothing stopping them from releasing better 5 stars down the track right? Who is to say they dont release a 5 star that becomes the new meta?Already on Kitty expecting to get there in ~ 5 years. And will look out for vaults and specials that hold these characters.
Theghouse said: Unless you are buying HP with real money, I would suggest only using HP for roster slots. Once you have been able to roster almost every character, develop your roster to play in higher SCLs, and start earning champ rewards on 3* and 4*, you will start to build up a stack of HP which would be a time to consider using HP for deals.As far as waiting for the latest 5* rotation, some people do use that strategy, once you have all 3 latest 5* covered go back to saving tokens. It depends a lot on the current group of 5* and how useful they would be to your team. Right now you are probably not opening enough tokens and would not get enough covers for any of the latest 5* to be immediately useful to your team. Deadpool will be the one to leave next when Yellowjacket enters latest. DP5 is considered by most to be a mid-tier 5* with only some situational usefulness compared to the top metas. If you have the patience, it wouldn't hurt to wait until he's gone before pulling more LTs to get YJ rostered. Magneto is widely considered bottom tier 5*, so once you have a YJ, you could even consider saving tokens again until Mag5 is gone and another new 5* takes his place.Again, it's all going to depend on what goals you have for 4* and 5* roster development, and what level of enjoyment you get out of saving tokens vs. opening tokens.
Liljoeyjojo said:I broke a mini hoard on the Str5nge, Kitty and BRB vault recently with Kitty shargeted and opening about 100 tokens. This has left me with a 2/1/5 BRB, a 4/5/1 Kitty and a 2/1/1 Str5nge which im looking forward to fleshing out over the coming months.
Im keeping my BRB and Kitty at level 300 for now to not affect my MMR in PVP too much. As a result, Kitty/BRB doesnt seem to be any faster than Polaris/Grocket/Juggs for me at SCL 7, maybe if I increase SCL8-9 or level her then Kitty might be a better choice down the track.
mpiter said: By the way, you will not find much use of Karnak and Sabretooth because other 4* meta are much faster than them. Try to champ C&D instead. This pair is a very useful black and yellow feeder to solve puzzles and in other niche situations although Domino is also a good black provider. Outside the meta, they are the character I use the most often for those special situations.I do not think that Karnak and Sabretooth deserve the meta qualification. They do not have any use in PVE and they are very easy targets in PVP. I love the Karnak+Chavez pair that some people still use in PVP. You can always kill Karnak in less than 4 turns, then most of the time Chavez before she can use her passive. I never use them.