Klep said: The rewards would probably be fine if we hadn't been promised new events would focus more on jewel rewards.
bken1234 said: The first NOP had bugs.
fiirst said: bken1234 said: The first NOP had bugs. the last HoD also had bugs....
Dropspot said: Rewards in this event are the worst I ever saw in any event they made.
Volrak said: There's been near-universal scorn for the RaW rewards, which puzzles me, because they're nowhere close to universally bad across the different player scenarios. Below is an analysis using rewards per game played as the metric, for three rankings (2nd, 20th, and 200th, both individually and coalition), across all tiers, assuming progression is reached in all cases. Below are the RaW numbers (pun intended), relative to the average reward across the 10 current coalition events. 100% indicates on par with the average.RunesThe simplest analysis is Runes. RaW gives more runes than any other coalition event, for all tiers and placings, by a huge margin. The fact that nobody at all seems to be reacting to that positively suggests people still have no trouble getting enough runes by other means.Crystals + PacksThe analysis counts each non-basic pack as 64 crystals (1/5 of the cost of a PP). It would actually be fair to value WAR packs as worth more crystals than other pack types, since WAR packs are far more likely to still be bought with crystals. But even without that boost, RaW crystals + packs rewards are superior or comparable to typical event rewards for top players in all tiers. These rewards do drop off fairly steeply at lower placings, however.JewelsRaW jewel rewards are lower than average, excepting the top players in Silver and Bronze. For top plat and gold players, they're only lower by up to 1/3. These again drop off further at lower placings.So, from the numbers, the people expecting to finish outside top 100 may have a case. Jewels, crystals, and packs are more important than runes, and these players get half the reward for those resources than they would at the same rank in other events.But although rewards for top ranked players are in no way terrible relative to average coalition event, it's not just lower ranked players who have been vocally negative.I think a big reason why people are reacting badly is poor expectation management. D3 set an expectation for higher jewel rewards, however the event gives lower jewel rewards (for most of the people who care). That alone is sufficient for the rewards as a whole to "suck" for many players. This also seems to reinforce the notion that D3 could vastly improve player satisfaction just by making player communication more central to how they operate.
Bil said:I think the "problem" comes from the fact that you included both pvp and pve events in your stats ... Pve events have no individual rewards and individual rewards are the main pink/crystals income as far as placement is concerned. Besides, i don't think we can consider that a pack is actually worth 64 crystals ...While you can buy any booster for 64 crystals .... you can't get crystal value out of a booster that is locked to a particular set, and doesnt allow to buy a walker or a ZvsE card ...
Bil said: Hmm there's something weird in the boosters/crystals stat ... If the value of boosters goes down (64-32) ... It is impossible that the value for plat 2 is increased beetween first and second spreadsheet. (
I also assume that you count HoR as a coalition event, but it was never meant to be a weekend coalition event ... The fact that it has been scheduled on weekends recently is nothing more than a mistake ... And the poor rewards it offers also brings down the stats.
Volrak said : Lowering booster value does reduce the 2nd-place crystals+packs plat percentages, but they're raised by more than that amount due to only comparing with PvP events. PvE events are relatively rewarding for crystals+packs: AWR gives a lot of crystals, B4T a pile of packs, and AM a nice amount of both; only RGP is a little low.I was obviously missing something here ...my mistake.I also get your point about HOR, but my point was that it was first designed and schedule as a mid-week event and was later recycled for weekends without adapting its structure (who knows why ...?).