starfall said: Cards that used to kill "supports" will not work on Vanguards; River's Rebuke, Demolish, etc.
Mburn7 said: Based on the tutorial Greg will self-destruct his Vanguards using their abilities.So no need to worry much!
starfall said: morgue427 said: now new players having that card and the chances are even lower, and even with veterans guess what already full decks need van killers as a default. If you're playing answers you need an answer to vanguard supports and to non-vanguard supports; that's two cards.One thing I hate about the latest phase of MTGPQ design is the decision to subdivide supports into subtypes. What, am I going to play FOUR different answer cards in my ten card deck? No, I'm going to play Demolish. Print as many cards that affect Enchantments or Artifacts as you like; I'm still just going to play Demolish.
morgue427 said: now new players having that card and the chances are even lower, and even with veterans guess what already full decks need van killers as a default.
jtwood said: starfall said: Cards that used to kill "supports" will not work on Vanguards; River's Rebuke, Demolish, etc. Right, but this is MTGPQ. Have you actually tried any of those cards yet? I'm betting the number of cards that don't work as stated is a non-zero number.
madwren said: jtwood said: starfall said: Cards that used to kill "supports" will not work on Vanguards; River's Rebuke, Demolish, etc. Right, but this is MTGPQ. Have you actually tried any of those cards yet? I'm betting the number of cards that don't work as stated is a non-zero number. I can attest that Greg fizzled two Demolishes against my Vanguard. They cast, and appeared, but then disappeared without destroying the support or triggering the gem block destruction.
jtwood said: I'd like to see Shatterstorm vs Vanguards
Stormcrow said: And you guys thought I was kidding!
starfall said: According to official rules, are support killers (like Demolish or Smash To Smithereens) supposed to kill Vanguards or not? I'd surmised that they weren't, but is there an official ruling on this?