Tremayne said: Question to D3/Octagon concerning this bug.I didn’t know an exploit existed until it was communicated, so I was unable to send a ticket or otherwise help with the fixing of the bug.I haven’t on purpose attempted to cheat, but I don’t know if I have accidentally used this bug during an event.When I make a deck and it is accepted by the app, then I do not verify that it is standard. I expect the app to take care of that! Even though I have played the app for a long time. Why you ask, see bullet 1.Once I have made my deck, I tend to play with that deck during the entire event without changing it. Changes occur occasionally, if I have forgotten a crucial component which either makes me loose a match or loose points.I rarely end up with top-10 prizes for various reasons, but I guess that bullet 4 is the main reason. I assume that top players alter their deck depending upon the opponent they are matched up against.The play-style and the communication from D3/Octagon plus the speculation on the forum makes me concerned. How can a player provide any proof of innocence to being accused of exploiting the legacy in standard bug if they have a similar approach as I have stated above?
bken1234 said: Tremayne said: Question to D3/Octagon concerning this bug.I didn’t know an exploit existed until it was communicated, so I was unable to send a ticket or otherwise help with the fixing of the bug.I haven’t on purpose attempted to cheat, but I don’t know if I have accidentally used this bug during an event.When I make a deck and it is accepted by the app, then I do not verify that it is standard. I expect the app to take care of that! Even though I have played the app for a long time. Why you ask, see bullet 1.Once I have made my deck, I tend to play with that deck during the entire event without changing it. Changes occur occasionally, if I have forgotten a crucial component which either makes me loose a match or loose points.I rarely end up with top-10 prizes for various reasons, but I guess that bullet 4 is the main reason. I assume that top players alter their deck depending upon the opponent they are matched up against.The play-style and the communication from D3/Octagon plus the speculation on the forum makes me concerned. How can a player provide any proof of innocence to being accused of exploiting the legacy in standard bug if they have a similar approach as I have stated above? If you saw legacy cards in standard PvP events, you knew something was wrong and should have reported it. As for the rest, it wasn't really easy to inadvertently put the legacy cards in your decks. There were several steps to using the exploit. If you used it, you did it on purpose. However -- there is some speculation that changing a deck in story mode could also change it in an event -- if that happened to you and you then saw that you were playing the wrong deck in a live event, would you not see that as a bug and report it? If you didn't, then you exploited the game.
Helmit said: Just a thought here. Let me preface this by saying that I am too dumb and busy to even try to use exploits so I did not try it.And while I dont agree with some people taking advantage of this to have an upper hand and bump other people out of reward brackets, I am wondering why they would be penalized for finding a way to manipulate the game?I know this point of view will not be popular, and most will not agree with me. Even in composing this, I am not sure how I fell about it or where I fall on the topic. However, to take the devils advocate position, if the game has a programing error, or "back way" to manipulate the game and maximize on rewards, how is this a player issue. Moreover, even though it can be viewed as "unethical" or "poor form", exploits have been a part of gaming forever. Look at online multiplayer games. We run raids and look for exploits to beat boss fights and maximize our rewards all the time. Granted the ones I have participated in are PVE, and exploits do not affect other players or coalition reward, but still.I guess what I am saying is, should people exploiting this game "error" be penalized for it?I remember a recent event where some people, received extra node charges due to server issues. Of course they played the extra nodes and scored more points. Why wouldn't they? Should I then be penalized for this?
bken1234 said: Helmit said: Just a thought here. Let me preface this by saying that I am too dumb and busy to even try to use exploits so I did not try it.And while I dont agree with some people taking advantage of this to have an upper hand and bump other people out of reward brackets, I am wondering why they would be penalized for finding a way to manipulate the game?I know this point of view will not be popular, and most will not agree with me. Even in composing this, I am not sure how I fell about it or where I fall on the topic. However, to take the devils advocate position, if the game has a programing error, or "back way" to manipulate the game and maximize on rewards, how is this a player issue. Moreover, even though it can be viewed as "unethical" or "poor form", exploits have been a part of gaming forever. Look at online multiplayer games. We run raids and look for exploits to beat boss fights and maximize our rewards all the time. Granted the ones I have participated in are PVE, and exploits do not affect other players or coalition reward, but still.I guess what I am saying is, should people exploiting this game "error" be penalized for it?I remember a recent event where some people, received extra node charges due to server issues. Of course they played the extra nodes and scored more points. Why wouldn't they? Should I then be penalized for this? Because the event had rules — if you broke those rules, you cheated. I mentioned this in another thread @Helmit — But think of it this way —You are going to play a Standard paper tournament — is there anything stopping you from putting legacy cards in your deck? No... but you will be disqualified if you do. Rules are rules — they are laid out in every event — if you make the choice to break them, you should be disqualified.
ElfNeedsFood said: @Mburn7 I think you just articulated my primary problem with photo enforcement of traffic laws... The feedback comes only weeks after the infraction...
Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Tremayne said: Question to D3/Octagon concerning this bug.I didn’t know an exploit existed until it was communicated, so I was unable to send a ticket or otherwise help with the fixing of the bug.I haven’t on purpose attempted to cheat, but I don’t know if I have accidentally used this bug during an event.When I make a deck and it is accepted by the app, then I do not verify that it is standard. I expect the app to take care of that! Even though I have played the app for a long time. Why you ask, see bullet 1.Once I have made my deck, I tend to play with that deck during the entire event without changing it. Changes occur occasionally, if I have forgotten a crucial component which either makes me loose a match or loose points.I rarely end up with top-10 prizes for various reasons, but I guess that bullet 4 is the main reason. I assume that top players alter their deck depending upon the opponent they are matched up against.The play-style and the communication from D3/Octagon plus the speculation on the forum makes me concerned. How can a player provide any proof of innocence to being accused of exploiting the legacy in standard bug if they have a similar approach as I have stated above? If you saw legacy cards in standard PvP events, you knew something was wrong and should have reported it. As for the rest, it wasn't really easy to inadvertently put the legacy cards in your decks. There were several steps to using the exploit. If you used it, you did it on purpose. However -- there is some speculation that changing a deck in story mode could also change it in an event -- if that happened to you and you then saw that you were playing the wrong deck in a live event, would you not see that as a bug and report it? If you didn't, then you exploited the game. What if you reported it but kept using it? Is that still cheating?
wereotter said: Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Tremayne said: Question to D3/Octagon concerning this bug.I didn’t know an exploit existed until it was communicated, so I was unable to send a ticket or otherwise help with the fixing of the bug.I haven’t on purpose attempted to cheat, but I don’t know if I have accidentally used this bug during an event.When I make a deck and it is accepted by the app, then I do not verify that it is standard. I expect the app to take care of that! Even though I have played the app for a long time. Why you ask, see bullet 1.Once I have made my deck, I tend to play with that deck during the entire event without changing it. Changes occur occasionally, if I have forgotten a crucial component which either makes me loose a match or loose points.I rarely end up with top-10 prizes for various reasons, but I guess that bullet 4 is the main reason. I assume that top players alter their deck depending upon the opponent they are matched up against.The play-style and the communication from D3/Octagon plus the speculation on the forum makes me concerned. How can a player provide any proof of innocence to being accused of exploiting the legacy in standard bug if they have a similar approach as I have stated above? If you saw legacy cards in standard PvP events, you knew something was wrong and should have reported it. As for the rest, it wasn't really easy to inadvertently put the legacy cards in your decks. There were several steps to using the exploit. If you used it, you did it on purpose. However -- there is some speculation that changing a deck in story mode could also change it in an event -- if that happened to you and you then saw that you were playing the wrong deck in a live event, would you not see that as a bug and report it? If you didn't, then you exploited the game. What if you reported it but kept using it? Is that still cheating? Yes. Yes you are.Just because you CAN do something in a way that’s unintended, doesn’t mean it’s not cheating when you do. Think of it more like this: you CAN go to the prerelease events day one, and then day two, smuggle in your best pulls to have an advantage the next day. Maybe no one would know. Are you still cheating? Absolutely. You’re playing with cards that weren’t allowed for you in that event specifically because they weren’t in your prerelease kit for that day. And to your question, you can’t then report yourself for cheating, and then still think you’re okay to continue cheating the next time, because you already said you did it once.if you have the knowledge of how to cheat an event, you have more responsibility not to do it than those who don’t know and stumble onto it. It’s called having integrity.
FindingHeart8 said... 2) Were there any obvious signs (like in-game graphic glitches) to hint that using legacy cards in standard was not okay?
FindingHeart8 said: If the answer to these questions is no, there is no argument to claim it's immoral for players to use what they were permitted to do. It's not exploiting. Players did what they were allowed to do, and it's not their responsibility to restrain themselves from content that the developers (aware or not) have given them access to. It's called Corporate Social Responsibility.
FindingHeart8 said: This sounds like to be an overall great time for me to have been fairly inactive in mtgpq, I seem to have missed a lot of things.So there were multiple events where you could use legacy cards in standard events? 1) Were the players notified that they could not use legacy cards in standard decks? I didn't see anything new or different when I checked my inbox today.2) Were there any obvious signs (like in-game graphic glitches) to hint that using legacy cards in standard was not okay?If the answer to these questions is no, there is no argument to claim it's immoral for players to use what they were permitted to do. It's not exploiting. Players did what they were allowed to do, and it's not their responsibility to restrain themselves from content that the developers (aware or not) have given them access to. It's called Corporate Social Responsibility.Now if a player hacked MTGPQ and was able to play legacy cards in standard events, then we definitely have an argument for exploitation with concrete grounds for punishment.