JDFiend said: ZeiramMR said: My objection of Red Skull as a playable character instead of a boss is that this game has Essential characters for events. I personally wouldn't roster him, but it is also a PR problem waiting to happen for them that a Skull PVP would be "forcing players to play a nazi". But other games have playable Red Skull like Strike Force and Future Fight. Academy has a recruitable Zemo. Haven't heard any outcry over there. Why would there be one here?
ZeiramMR said: My objection of Red Skull as a playable character instead of a boss is that this game has Essential characters for events. I personally wouldn't roster him, but it is also a PR problem waiting to happen for them that a Skull PVP would be "forcing players to play a nazi".
Tensuun said: JDFiend said: ZeiramMR said: My objection of Red Skull as a playable character instead of a boss is that this game has Essential characters for events. I personally wouldn't roster him, but it is also a PR problem waiting to happen for them that a Skull PVP would be "forcing players to play a nazi". But other games have playable Red Skull like Strike Force and Future Fight. Academy has a recruitable Zemo. Haven't heard any outcry over there. Why would there be one here? tl;dr: Strike Force lets you choose characters other than Red Skull, and goes out of its way to "explain" his presence.Strike Force occasionally has events that force you to use characters from a faction (e.g. Hydra), and thanks to extremely slow beginner-unfriendly grind mechanics effectively forces you to use Crossbones in almost everything for the first two months. But, while Crossbones is a Hydra goon, the version of him portrayed in MSF is that of a bloodthirsty, violent, misanthropic grunt. He states at one point that he's excited for the game's premise giving him an excuse to kill the Red Skull a lot; he's clearly not an advocate of Nazi ideology.At the point in the "story" when the Red Skull joins your team, a brief dialogue shows Fury and Widow being completely disgusted by the idea of sharing plans with a white-supremacist. So there's a convenient wrapper in place for the player being allowed to command a Nazi to do something, and for that something not to be overtly suicidal.I don't know about Future Fight.Academy features Helmut Zemo, who is much less indelibly linked to the Nazi party. In the comics, his obsession with his own family's history occasionally leads him to work with Nazis and/or Hydra, but this is almost always retconned later as some deeper game; Zemo wields Hydra forces as a tool to accomplish his own ends, usually power/control at a large scale. When he has it, he's ideologically more like Thanos than Red Skull: he's certainly a pretty big existential threat to a lot of people, but at least he doesn't discriminate too much.Besides which, Movie Zemo isn't (from what is shown, at least) any kind of Nazi at all, and doesn't even seem especially upset about whatever might have happened to his dad. Instead, he has a vendetta against superhumans and vigilantes in general, and it's tied to grief over his wife and kids.MPQ generally uses traditional, 616(-inspired?) representations of its characters and new events come rarely. It'd be an uphill battle to introduce Red Skull in a context like "he's not really a white-supremacist, he actually just wants to kill everybody" or "yeah he's a total creep, but he's helping us fight a couple dozen other Red Skulls and they're even worse".
ZootSax said: ZeiramMR said: My objection of Red Skull as a playable character instead of a boss is that this game has Essential characters for events. I personally wouldn't roster him, but it is also a PR problem waiting to happen for them that a Skull PVP would be "forcing players to play a nazi". Eh, the MCU version of Red Skull would likely be the one they went with, given the game's past character release history, so since the first Cap movie went out of its way to show the Red Skull breaking Hydra away from any affiliation with Nazi Germany, I kind of feel this is a non-issue.
Tensuun said: So... anyway.
JDFiend said: The thing I really don't get is Magneto. So much of what he is kind of built on Hitleresque rhetoric. He is a racist/specieist with the whole homo-superior thing which is just a step from ethnic cleansing. He has committed genocide - especially with the whole Genosha thing. He is a skilled orator that radicalise youth into forming an army. He is on a quest to find a homeland (or lebensraum as Hitler called it) to grow his nation. He is just like the mutant version of a nationalistic party leader. He's just softened some extent through our sympathy for the X-men but it is there. Are you all fine being forced to play a villain that almost embodies most of the principles and methods of Nazism to the extent that he is almost an allegory to nationalist/fascist agenda, but isn't actually labelled as one? Or not? If so, why? Where is the cut off for you? Why is one fine and the other not? Is it that one is entirely fictional, whereas the other is fictional but based in the fictional division of a real-life group? Is it as you've never read Magneto in those kind of terms? Is just as Nazis is a bad term? I'm genuinely perplexed.