Sarkhan and dragons

DumasAG
DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
in MtGPQ General Discussion
Look, nobody plays him right now anyway. Can we just bend the rules and allow him to play any dragon, regardless of color? (definitely DIDN'T open Keiga and Jugan...)

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  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    Eh, it doesn't matter, the masterpiece dragons dont all work anyway
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    I noticed. Kept wondering why Jugan wasn't converting gems, then realized it only worked when other creatures were on the board. #AhTheBugs
  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    I got the white one, and its ability didn't work at all.  No destruction, no mana gain reduction, nothing
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    There are only three dragons he can't use, which asking for that really feels like it's the same as asking for Liliana to be allowed to use all zombies. They're probably not going to do it.

    Though I feel like he might perhaps be more valuable if his abilities also worked on dinosaurs. It would definitely work to counterbalance how expensive dragons all are, and would allow him to work without having to make special color exception for him. I mean it's not like people don't confuse the two.... see the flavor text from Angrath:


  • Kinesia
    Kinesia Posts: 1,621 Chairperson of the Boards
    Yeah, I'd like the same change for Arlinn. She should be able to use these new blue swimming werewolves.
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    Kinesia said:
    Yeah, I'd like the same change for Arlinn. She should be able to use these new blue swimming werewolves.
    WereDolphins, monsters of the sea
  • Lars
    Lars Posts: 33 Just Dropped In
    wereotter said:
    There are only three dragons he can't use, which asking for that really feels like it's the same as asking for Liliana to be allowed to use all zombies. They're probably not going to do it.
    True, but that might be kinda fun! There are allies outside of white for G2, as well! And red dinosaurs for Huatli...and probably some other things for other PWs too.
  • khurram
    khurram Posts: 1,101 Chairperson of the Boards
    wereotter said:
    There are only three dragons he can't use, which asking for that really feels like it's the same as asking for Liliana to be allowed to use all zombies. They're probably not going to do it.

    Though I feel like he might perhaps be more valuable if his abilities also worked on dinosaurs. It would definitely work to counterbalance how expensive dragons all are, and would allow him to work without having to make special color exception for him. I mean it's not like people don't confuse the two.... see the flavor text from Angrath:


    Angrath was obviously wrong and confused about dinosaurs.
  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    Sarkhan and Arlinn are legacy walkers, so they are probably stuck in their legacy. Huatli losing out on the Dinos that create tokens, however is a mistake they engrained in the latest block...  :(
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    DumasAG said:
    Look, nobody plays him right now anyway. Can we just bend the rules and allow him to play any dragon, regardless of color? (definitely DIDN'T open Keiga and Jugan...)
    that'd make him for fun to play for sure.  I tried him out with my red and black masterpiece dragons and it was okay with his 2nd ability, but honestly if you own either Lily3 or Bolas they're more entertaining (and effective) to play the new dragons with.

    You don't generally want to keep the kamigawa dragons alive long enough to utilize them with sarkhans 3rd ability, and lily3's first ability if more effective than sarkhans 2nd
  • JopeX37
    JopeX37 Posts: 138 Tile Toppler
    Honestly the best way to improve Sarkhan is to make his mana non-terrible.  If he got +3 instead of +2 on R/B matches and kept his +1's across the rest of the board he'd be playable.  Give him Saheeli-style mana and he's solidly good.  His first ability is excellent, his ult wins the game on the spot if the deck is built correctly.
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    JopeX37 said:
    Honestly the best way to improve Sarkhan is to make his mana non-terrible.  If he got +3 instead of +2 on R/B matches and kept his +1's across the rest of the board he'd be playable.  Give him Saheeli-style mana and he's solidly good.  His first ability is excellent, his ult wins the game on the spot if the deck is built correctly.
    I mean, I don't really care if he's good or not. I just think poor Sarky should get to play with ALL the dragons. He deserves good things after what he's been through...
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    DumasAG said:
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    I mean, I don't really care if he's good or not. I just think poor Sarky should get to play with ALL the dragons. He deserves good things after what he's been through...
    just think of all the green dragons he used to get to play with, but now he can't.  You can even see him reaching for them in his artwork, but never being able to grasp them.  A single tear falling from his glowing blood-red eyes.
  • Thuran
    Thuran Posts: 456 Mover and Shaker
    Really? The Sarkhan GOT his happy temur-colored ending already ;)

    Narset is probably already fed up with him following her around and trying to hit on her.

    She was probably already disappointed to find out the Sarkhan was even more awkward than she was.

    But, yeah, it’s Vol, the legendary Sarkhan of Tarkir, he should probably be a little playable :)
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Thuran said:
    Really? The Sarkhan GOT his happy temur-colored ending already ;)

    Narset is probably already fed up with him following her around and trying to hit on her.

    She was probably already disappointed to find out the Sarkhan was even more awkward than she was.

    But, yeah, it’s Vol, the legendary Sarkhan of Tarkir, he should probably be a little playable :)
    If I were Narset, I'd be LIVID with Sarkhan.... going back in time and taking away my khanship.... making me subservient to a dragon that thinks subjugating humans is in our best interest.... ;)
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    wereotter said:
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    If I were Narset, I'd be LIVID with Sarkhan.... going back in time and taking away my khanship.... making me subservient to a dragon that thinks subjugating humans is in our best interest.... ;)
    Maybe it IS in our best interest, though?
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,732 Chairperson of the Boards

    DumasAG said:
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    Maybe it IS in our best interest, though?
    Queue the philosophical debate on whether dragons governing humans would be better than human governing dragons *eye roll*

    no wait...actually that sounds pretty entertaining.

    Go for it :D
  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    FindingHeart8 said:

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    Queue the philosophical debate on whether dragons governing humans would be better than human governing dragons *eye roll*

    no wait...actually that sounds pretty entertaining.

    Go for it :D
    Look, if we're going to debate the pros and cons of Sarkhan's Time Traveling Adventures, we need to acknowledge the fact that Ugin fudged up the balance of the plane by getting his butt kicked by Bolas.  Without that, the Kahns and dragons would continue living in harmony and only cyclically murdering each other, instead of going to either extreme
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    Mburn7 said:
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    Look, if we're going to debate the pros and cons of Sarkhan's Time Traveling Adventures, we need to acknowledge the fact that Ugin fudged up the balance of the plane by getting his butt kicked by Bolas.  Without that, the Kahns and dragons would continue living in harmony and only cyclically murdering each other, instead of going to either extreme
    Look, if we're going to debate the pros and cons of Ugin getting his butt kicked by Bolas in episode 5, season 2 of Sarkhan's Time Traveling Adventures, we have to add extra blame to Ugin.

    Not just from the resulting awful soap-opera romance between Kahns and dragons that ruined the rest of season 2...but also because his epic-failure to Bolas allowed him to summon a purple zombie army that wiped out fantasy-egypt in season 3 AND made me discard my entire hand when I got hit by him in season 1 (yeah I know it we're going backwards a season but it is Sarkhan's Time Traveling Adventures).
  • Brakkis
    Brakkis Posts: 777 Critical Contributor
    Lars said:
    True, but that might be kinda fun! There are allies outside of white for G2, as well! And red dinosaurs for Huatli...and probably some other things for other PWs too.
    That's because Huatli should have gained Green while keeping Red and White in Rivals (in paper). Not really sure why she didn't. The story certainly leaned into that possibility.

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