Morphis wrote: The more I read your comments the more it looks like you just want to enforce your thinking. How would I feel if I was gold medal and people claimed it was wind fault? That they have EVERY REASON to complain. What if I make to top 10 and get shaleeri and the 11th cries about it? He has every right to do so. It could be he got screwed more than me. It could be I got screwed more than him and still placed higher. It could be anything. This does not make it necessarily fair, only fair(not even that guaranteed) over the totality of participants(for the big numbers law). In this context It does not matter. This is a "player vs player" event. Every participant just care about his own result(and coalition but those two coincide). That's simply natural. Even If the volatility is adjusted on the average value with peaks is NOT FAIR. Especially For each of this peaks it is totally unfair. Its like I don't know 10 employees... Each should get 1000$ as salary 8 get 1000 1 gets 1500 1 gets 500. (These 2 chosen at random) On average they got 1000 each. Is that fair? Do you think the one that got 500 would not complain cause on average they got 1000 as a group?
Pqmtg- wrote: Morphis wrote: The more I read your comments the more it looks like you just want to enforce your thinking. How would I feel if I was gold medal and people claimed it was wind fault? That they have EVERY REASON to complain. What if I make to top 10 and get shaleeri and the 11th cries about it? He has every right to do so. It could be he got screwed more than me. It could be I got screwed more than him and still placed higher. It could be anything. This does not make it necessarily fair, only fair(not even that guaranteed) over the totality of participants(for the big numbers law). In this context It does not matter. This is a "player vs player" event. Every participant just care about his own result(and coalition but those two coincide). That's simply natural. Even If the volatility is adjusted on the average value with peaks is NOT FAIR. Especially For each of this peaks it is totally unfair. Its like I don't know 10 employees... Each should get 1000$ as salary 8 get 1000 1 gets 1500 1 gets 500. (These 2 chosen at random) On average they got 1000 each. Is that fair? Do you think the one that got 500 would not complain cause on average they got 1000 as a group? You realise that in your case it's provable by math that it's totally fair, and that people would still complain because like you, they complain in spite of proof to the contrary? I fear the one married to his position is you.
span_argoman wrote: Pqmtg-, you seem to focus a bit too much on the expected value of the circumstances. While that is a good thing to bear in mind, I believe what people were trying to get at is that the bugs/freezes/unfixed cards are creating increased variance on the results. And variance is another factor which is equally important to pay attention to as expected value. So even if bad stuff on average affect everyone equally, the actual effect will be somewhat different on each player because of the finite number of matches we play per event. And people prefer to avoid this type of variance for the same reason that some people complain about RNG in any game or gravitate towards games with minimal RNG or luck. The view is that the larger the role that variance plays in determining your final score, the less your player skill matters, because all factors have to add up to 100%. So I think it's a fair point to try to push for the developers to fix the known issues with the game asap. Especially when some of the issues are recurring issues from when the previous sets were newly released and when some others have been discussed at length here in the official forums.
Pqmtg- wrote: No I'm saying complaining it puts you behind in an event is just looking for an excuse if people ahead of you deal with the chances of freezing as much as you. Freezing is annoying and a problem in the game. The fact that the events consists of a good number of games however means that everyone eventually runs the risk of it. It is not a problem for the event placements. There is a difference between a game bug and an event breaking bug. Don't drag a game bug in to complain about losing the event if it equally affects everyone. This is why I asked if I was wrong about the freezing being a universal constant. Because that's the event problem. If winning due to random happen events is counter-intuitive to your idea of a fair and balanced game, I strongly urge you to stay away from card games. Card games with puzzle quest cascade mechanic? Your head might explode. Even without the freezes and bugs.
shteev wrote: If I might be allowed to speak on behalf of Pqmtg- for a minute, I think what he's trying to do is define the word 'fair' in very absolute terms. Say for example you were to line up all the competitors in the men's 100 meters at the Olypmics, and then you were to shoot one of them in the head randomly, that would be fair if each competitor has an equal chance of being shot, and unfair if each competitor has an unequal chance of being shot. The unpleasantness of the whole situation has no bearing on whether it's fair or not. Maybe a term other than 'fair' is required here.
Pmaster47 wrote: Pqmtg- wrote: I think your totally missing the point: Firstly, the freezing issue is not universal or equally distributed among players - My girlfriend freezes up at least twice as often as I do (we haven't figured out why yet but its a clear difference). I've also seen a few of the same names at the top of the leaderboards with perfect scores for several weeks now so obviously there are a few really good players who seem to avoid even a single freeze for weeks at a time. Where as my girlfriend freezes probably 1 in 20 matches. I'm freezing maybe 1 in 40 (this round more then that)
Pqmtg- wrote: I think your totally missing the point: Firstly, the freezing issue is not universal or equally distributed among players - My girlfriend freezes up at least twice as often as I do (we haven't figured out why yet but its a clear difference). I've also seen a few of the same names at the top of the leaderboards with perfect scores for several weeks now so obviously there are a few really good players who seem to avoid even a single freeze for weeks at a time. Where as my girlfriend freezes probably 1 in 20 matches. I'm freezing maybe 1 in 40 (this round more then that)