What happened to balance talks?
 
            
                
                    elwhiteninja                
                
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                    I know its been a while and you folks at d3 have been busy with all the movie tie ins and stuff but what happened to balancing the older characters?
We have not had a character looked at since IM40 (nice job on that by the way) and Vision in February. I understand that older characters do not make as much money but as a developer I want all my work to be used not just the most recent. So are the following characters going to get some love?




 Mr. Lametastic is ignore-able, weak, slow, and as
 Mr. Lametastic is ignore-able, weak, slow, and as   is the only viable of the fantastic 4 he is pretty much worthless for his black
 is the only viable of the fantastic 4 he is pretty much worthless for his black
 Slooooow
 Slooooow   that does very low damage for how expensive it is. Her
  that does very low damage for how expensive it is. Her   is pretty good but defense is much weaker than offense.
 is pretty good but defense is much weaker than offense.
 the bagman of ****.
 the bagman of ****.
 Interesting
 Interesting   for early nuke, very confusing
  for early nuke, very confusing   as
 as   does almost the exact same thing in the same color and for half the cost plus it does not work with
 does almost the exact same thing in the same color and for half the cost plus it does not work with   which is kind of a joke.
 which is kind of a joke.   is expensive and ends the turn for no reason.
 is expensive and ends the turn for no reason.
 https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=44686 Great article on her
https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=44686 Great article on her

 Falcap could do great damage but his ratios are very expensive, he is slow, part of a flooded color and while his blue is super interesting it is also not that useful with the current 4 stars as very few use cds and add tiles maybe he would be great with
 Falcap could do great damage but his ratios are very expensive, he is slow, part of a flooded color and while his blue is super interesting it is also not that useful with the current 4 stars as very few use cds and add tiles maybe he would be great with   but i have not tried it yet.
 but i have not tried it yet.
 decent
 decent   and his
 and his   &
 &  are interesting but he is one that I would never spend ISO on
 are interesting but he is one that I would never spend ISO on
 Nerfing
 Nerfing   &
 &  was too much he is another one that got the league of legends treatment in that he was way too strong and is now very weak. He needs a health boost probably to a similar level as his clone
 was too much he is another one that got the league of legends treatment in that he was way too strong and is now very weak. He needs a health boost probably to a similar level as his clone   and his
 and his   needs a bit more umph too it.
 needs a bit more umph too it.



 Hulk is so ignore-able he does not seem like the strongest character in the marvel universe. He is mainly used as a scarecrow for newer people or a green generator thanks to his great
 Hulk is so ignore-able he does not seem like the strongest character in the marvel universe. He is mainly used as a scarecrow for newer people or a green generator thanks to his great   . His
 . His   does great shake but next to 0 damage, his
 does great shake but next to 0 damage, his   is crazy expensive and does terrible damage for the cost.
 is crazy expensive and does terrible damage for the cost.
 another very interesting character who is great against a very niche crowed but does very low damage and has no way to force people to damage her. A very interesting idea for her would be to give her a
 another very interesting character who is great against a very niche crowed but does very low damage and has no way to force people to damage her. A very interesting idea for her would be to give her a   -esk active on her
 -esk active on her   that would move her to the front.
 that would move her to the front.
 The same problem with his yellow as
  The same problem with his yellow as   also his damage for cost is very low.
 also his damage for cost is very low.
 All psylocke really needs is the ability to add unlimited
  All psylocke really needs is the ability to add unlimited   with her
 with her  and maybe a slight str boost.
 and maybe a slight str boost.
 Just bad but I don't mind cause he is such a common foe.
  Just bad but I don't mind cause he is such a common foe.
 Over nerfed
  Over nerfed   should not end the turn or it should have the team damage removed
 should not end the turn or it should have the team damage removed
 Have you ever had a terrible opponent cascade and just had spider-man left? The game is winnable but you are going to be there FOREVER. 0 offensive abilities for the webslinger, a burst heal
  Have you ever had a terrible opponent cascade and just had spider-man left? The game is winnable but you are going to be there FOREVER. 0 offensive abilities for the webslinger, a burst heal  and a pretty decent
 and a pretty decent   that is massively overshadowed by
 that is massively overshadowed by   . His
. His   is ok. Personally I would like to see his
 is ok. Personally I would like to see his   changed to something along the lines of his
 changed to something along the lines of his   counterpart's
  counterpart's   .
 .
If even one of these characters received love a patch I would be so happy.
I think the question would be asked if I had enough to champion only 1 or 2 characters who would I do(where most of the game is)? If that question is easily answered (
 to champion only 1 or 2 characters who would I do(where most of the game is)? If that question is easily answered ( 


 ) and no one would ever say
 ) and no one would ever say  


 etc.
 etc.
Please make us excited for every PVE reward, token pull, and PVP 1000 reward (obviously impossible but we can hope)
                We have not had a character looked at since IM40 (nice job on that by the way) and Vision in February. I understand that older characters do not make as much money but as a developer I want all my work to be used not just the most recent. So are the following characters going to get some love?




 Mr. Lametastic is ignore-able, weak, slow, and as
 Mr. Lametastic is ignore-able, weak, slow, and as   is the only viable of the fantastic 4 he is pretty much worthless for his black
 is the only viable of the fantastic 4 he is pretty much worthless for his black Slooooow
 Slooooow   that does very low damage for how expensive it is. Her
  that does very low damage for how expensive it is. Her   is pretty good but defense is much weaker than offense.
 is pretty good but defense is much weaker than offense. the bagman of ****.
 the bagman of ****. Interesting
 Interesting   for early nuke, very confusing
  for early nuke, very confusing   as
 as   does almost the exact same thing in the same color and for half the cost plus it does not work with
 does almost the exact same thing in the same color and for half the cost plus it does not work with   which is kind of a joke.
 which is kind of a joke.   is expensive and ends the turn for no reason.
 is expensive and ends the turn for no reason. https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=44686 Great article on her
https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=44686 Great article on her
 Falcap could do great damage but his ratios are very expensive, he is slow, part of a flooded color and while his blue is super interesting it is also not that useful with the current 4 stars as very few use cds and add tiles maybe he would be great with
 Falcap could do great damage but his ratios are very expensive, he is slow, part of a flooded color and while his blue is super interesting it is also not that useful with the current 4 stars as very few use cds and add tiles maybe he would be great with   but i have not tried it yet.
 but i have not tried it yet. decent
 decent   and his
 and his   &
 &  are interesting but he is one that I would never spend ISO on
 are interesting but he is one that I would never spend ISO on Nerfing
 Nerfing   &
 &  was too much he is another one that got the league of legends treatment in that he was way too strong and is now very weak. He needs a health boost probably to a similar level as his clone
 was too much he is another one that got the league of legends treatment in that he was way too strong and is now very weak. He needs a health boost probably to a similar level as his clone   and his
 and his   needs a bit more umph too it.
 needs a bit more umph too it.


 Hulk is so ignore-able he does not seem like the strongest character in the marvel universe. He is mainly used as a scarecrow for newer people or a green generator thanks to his great
 Hulk is so ignore-able he does not seem like the strongest character in the marvel universe. He is mainly used as a scarecrow for newer people or a green generator thanks to his great   . His
 . His   does great shake but next to 0 damage, his
 does great shake but next to 0 damage, his   is crazy expensive and does terrible damage for the cost.
 is crazy expensive and does terrible damage for the cost. another very interesting character who is great against a very niche crowed but does very low damage and has no way to force people to damage her. A very interesting idea for her would be to give her a
 another very interesting character who is great against a very niche crowed but does very low damage and has no way to force people to damage her. A very interesting idea for her would be to give her a   -esk active on her
 -esk active on her   that would move her to the front.
 that would move her to the front. The same problem with his yellow as
  The same problem with his yellow as   also his damage for cost is very low.
 also his damage for cost is very low. All psylocke really needs is the ability to add unlimited
  All psylocke really needs is the ability to add unlimited   with her
 with her  and maybe a slight str boost.
 and maybe a slight str boost. Just bad but I don't mind cause he is such a common foe.
  Just bad but I don't mind cause he is such a common foe. Over nerfed
  Over nerfed   should not end the turn or it should have the team damage removed
 should not end the turn or it should have the team damage removed Have you ever had a terrible opponent cascade and just had spider-man left? The game is winnable but you are going to be there FOREVER. 0 offensive abilities for the webslinger, a burst heal
  Have you ever had a terrible opponent cascade and just had spider-man left? The game is winnable but you are going to be there FOREVER. 0 offensive abilities for the webslinger, a burst heal  and a pretty decent
 and a pretty decent   that is massively overshadowed by
 that is massively overshadowed by   . His
. His   is ok. Personally I would like to see his
 is ok. Personally I would like to see his   changed to something along the lines of his
 changed to something along the lines of his   counterpart's
  counterpart's   .
 .If even one of these characters received love a patch I would be so happy.
I think the question would be asked if I had enough
 to champion only 1 or 2 characters who would I do(where most of the game is)? If that question is easily answered (
 to champion only 1 or 2 characters who would I do(where most of the game is)? If that question is easily answered ( 


 ) and no one would ever say
 ) and no one would ever say  


 etc.
 etc.Please make us excited for every PVE reward, token pull, and PVP 1000 reward (obviously impossible but we can hope)
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            Any chance we can get a RED comment on this?0
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 I Think the chance of that happening is somewhere between "slim" and "none", probably closer to the latter.elwhiteninja wrote:Any chance we can get a RED comment on this?0
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            Quebbster wrote:
 I Think the chance of that happening is somewhere between "slim" and "none", and Slim just left town.elwhiteninja wrote:Any chance we can get a RED comment on this?
 ftfy0
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            Moderator note: moving this thread to the Suggestions and Feedback.0
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 I know but I can dream. It's just sad because it would not take that much work to tweak 1 character's numbers a patch.Quebbster wrote:
 I Think the chance of that happening is somewhere between "slim" and "none", probably closer to the latter.elwhiteninja wrote:Any chance we can get a RED comment on this?
 I always feel much less apprehensive about spending money on games where the development team is actively improving all of the content even if slowly.0
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            I think they made some changes, and the collective feedback was "meh", so they figured why bother.
 Although I will say that people did really enjoy the IM   update. That was very nice. update. That was very nice.
 I almost wish that they would ask us what we thought of updates before doing them, just to save the work involved if people don't like it. I don't know.. just an idea.0
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