Bottom 30 Challenge -- Beat a level 395 team.

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  • Nonce Equitaur 2
    Nonce Equitaur 2 Posts: 2,269 Chairperson of the Boards
    For reaching up and beating a team with far more health and power, some amount of magic is needed. Mostly, that means AP Stealing, AP Generation, and Stunning. So who are the most magical characters among the bottom 40? A lot of the best "magic" abilities are bluetile.png .

    STUNNING -- What are the best stuns in the bottom 40? All the best Stun skills are bluetile.png . Maintaining a stun is important against high-level freaks, so Cap and Daredevil go to the top. When alliance members ask for Team-ups, 1* Black Widow is quite good.
    26. 3* Daredevil -- 9 bluetile.png Stun 2 (RECYCLE), High damage, remove Special tiles
    47. 2* Captain America -- 12 bluetile.png Stun 2 (RECYCLE), PLACE
    51. 1* Black Widow (Modern) -- 9 bluetile.png Stun 5/1x3, purpletile.png AP Stealing
    38. 2* Storm (classic) -- 11 bluetile.png Stun 4 and nuke, greentile.png AP Generation
    31. 3* Spider-Man -- 5 bluetile.png Stun 1+, Protect
    56. 1* Venom -- 7 purpletile.png Stun 1x3, Devour
    15. 3* Captain Marvel -- 9 blacktile.png Stun 2, AP Generation
    44. 2* Hawkeye (modern) -- 9 bluetile.png Count2 Stun 3 + Drain AP, Speed Shot, PLACE
    20. 3* Mystique -- 8 purpletile.png Stun 2, AP Steal, bluetile.png -> blacktile.pngpurpletile.png
    27. 3* Gamora -- 12 greentile.png Stun 2Randx2, Strike tiles
    37. 3* Doctor Octopus -- 12 greentile.png Stun 3Rand and Drain AP
    50. 2* Moonstone -- 17 blacktile.png Stun 2 + Steal countdown
    53. 1* Iron Man (Model 35) -- 19 bluetile.png Stun 3
    30. 3* Iron Man (Model 40) -- AP Generation, 20+ bluetile.png Stun 2

    COLOR MANIPULATION -- Placed tiles are best, and bluetile.png is more useful, so MN Mags is on top. Among top characters, X-Force, cMags have good Color control.
    42. 2* Magneto (Marvel Now) -- For 9 purpletile.png, PLACE 5 bluetile.png, 14 redtile.png AP generation
    21. 3* Black Widow -- For 11 purpletile.png, PLACE 6 greentile.png
    22. 3* Rocket and Groot -- With yellowtile.png match, destroy all tutile.png , Strike, PLACE.
    20. 3* Mystique -- For 9 bluetile.png, add 10 blacktile.png + purpletile.png, AP Steal, 8 purpletile.png Stun 2
    39. 2* Thor -- For 8 redtile.png, add 3 yellowtile.png, for 12 yellowtile.png, add 9 greentile.png , greentile.png nuke
    28. 3* Doctor Doom -- For 9 bluetile.png, all bluetile.png -> blacktile.png
    32. 3* Storm (Mohawk) -- For 9 yellowtile.png collect 7 tutile.png, 10 greentile.png for 14 AP, Hailstorm
    35. 3* Ragnarok -- For 6 redtile.png, add 4 greentile.png
    46. 2* Captain Marvel -- For 8 yellowtile.png, add 9 tutile.png
    49. 2* Bullseye -- For 16 blacktile.png, PLACE 2 whitecrit.png

    AP GENERATION -- These are harder to rank, because none are truly awful. Among top characters, 4 Thor, Hood, X-Force, Blade, and Captain Marvel have good AP generation.
    29. 2* Black Widow (original) -- 5+ purpletile.png AP Stealing, bluetile.png Counter Manipulation
    30. 3* Iron Man (Model 40) -- 6+ yellowtile.png AP Generation, bluetile.png Stun
    42. 2* Magneto (Marvel Now) -- 14 redtile.png for 25 AP generation, For 9 purpletile.png, PLACE 5 bluetile.png
    47. 2* Captain America -- RECYCLE AP, PLACE, Stun.
    38. 2* Storm (classic) -- 12 greentile.png for 12+ AP Generation, bluetile.png stun and nuke
    51. 1* Black Widow (Modern) -- 10+ purpletile.png AP Steal, 9 bluetile.png Stun
    23. 3* Loki -- Steal 8AP on Opponent 4-match, Steal special tiles.
    20. 3* Mystique -- AP Steal, bluetile.png -> blacktile.pngpurpletile.png . purpletile.png Stun
    36. 4* Invisible Woman -- 13 bluetile.png 9 greentile.png for 24 AP, Protect, Placed tiles.
    32. 3* Storm (Mohawk) -- 10 greentile.png for 14 AP. 9 yellowtile.png for 7 tutile.png, Hailstorm

    OTHER MAGIC -- A few bottom 40 characters that haven't been mentioned yet.
    19. 3* Falcon -- Enhance, purpletile.png Protect, Remove Special tiles.
    24. 3* Colossus -- Team protect, Nuke
    34. 3* She-Hulk -- bluetile.png Steal Special tiles, greentile.png AP Drain, high health

    MN Mags and Captain America can be surprisingly good against high-level foes.

    MN Mags pairs up very well with Mystique. His purpletile.png makes bluetile.png for her, her bluetile.png makes purpletile.png for him. Add in Captain Marvel for a blacktile.png stun.
  • Since when is single target stun enough to stun a team with 3 guys to move the board? Or are we assuming the 395 team doesn't have 3 guys that can move the board? This can significantly reduce the difficulty of the challenge. You can't even stun a team for longer than 5 turns even if you started out with 30 AP of whatever color you need (3 staggeered Winow's Stings), let alone actually trying to collect that AP before your team gets rolled over. Realistically the cheapest team stun you're going to get is 6 blue AP for 2 turns from Captain America which requires you to have 36 blue AP at some point (you can stagger the Peacemakers to account for that you can only have 30 at once), but even if you could start with 36 blue AP, you're not going to be able to collect 6 blue every 2 turns because the board cannot possibly keep up with that rate of replenishment. Nothing else is even close to this ratio.
  • Nonce Equitaur 2
    Nonce Equitaur 2 Posts: 2,269 Chairperson of the Boards
    Phantron wrote:
    Since when is single target stun enough to stun a team with 3 guys to move the board? Or are we assuming the 395 team doesn't have 3 guys that can move the board? This can significantly reduce the difficulty of the challenge. You can't even stun a team for longer than 5 turns even if you started out with 30 AP of whatever color you need (3 staggeered Winow's Stings), let alone actually trying to collect that AP before your team gets rolled over. Realistically the cheapest team stun you're going to get is 6 blue AP for 2 turns from Captain America which requires you to have 36 blue AP at some point (you can stagger the Peacemakers to account for that you can only have 30 at once), but even if you could start with 36 blue AP, you're not going to be able to collect 6 blue every 2 turns because the board cannot possibly keep up with that rate of replenishment. Nothing else is even close to this ratio.

    Correct. Depends on the Goon ratio. With 2 Goons, stunning the non-goon can be a key to winning. Hailstorm, Cap's shields, She-Hulk's steals are also helpful.

    If there are no goons, it is absolutely vital to take down at least 1 opponent before a Stun strategy has any chance at all. Pretty much only Daredevil or Captain America can do it. MN Mags or IM40 and Boosts are needed for the blue. The first goals are to get redtile.png for a Magnetic Flux in a good spot, and to kill one opponent. I've done this against Level 395 Ares, Daken, Yelena. Ares was my first target, and first to stun. Polarity Shift was used to remove redtile.png from the board except for the red tile I wanted (which also nerfed Daken). Everything went to damaging and stunning Ares, since he was instant Death, and bluetile.png denial for Daken. When Ares finally toppled, Cap was my only character standing, but he had a lot of bouncing shields on the board. Still took forever to take down Daken, and then to finally take down Yelena. It's very hard to do, but possible.
  • wymtime
    wymtime Posts: 3,768 Chairperson of the Boards
    Oh you added more people and this would be a fun one to try. I don't have the levels and covers for her yet but IM40, Gamora, OBW. you build up enough black for Gamora and hit recharge with IM40. You just need a quality board shake up as a TU like unstoppble crash to add more yellow to the board. You then have Gamora tanking basicly every color and and gives out super strike tiles. You also get a ton of red AP to have Gamora start hammering the other team. You also have 2 stuns in Gamora's green and IM40's Blue, but you might need OBW's blue more to heal.

    With Gamora's strike tiles when you match OBW purple it will do major damage with espionoge.

    Only issue is when OBW gets squished for having no health. Good thing she would only tank purple though.
  • Rags/Storm/Loki see my video I've posted in the MPQ World Record thread to see it in action.