Daily Play Token Bug & Exploit Farming

@ThisisClemFandango said:
What's stopping you?
If this game is so important to you I recommend you don't sleep for the next 3 days .
Got to stay competitive with the 1%

If a company releases a product which they know has a defect and have known about said defect can't then go you can't use it that way.

Except they can.

505 Games Terms of Use:

Basic Terms

You understand and agree that you use the Services at your own risk. We have the right to terminate your access and use of the Services at any time for any reason, including if you violate these Terms or otherwise create risk or possible legal exposure for us. Any unauthorized use of the Services is expressly prohibited and we may take any action we deem appropriate, which may include, without limitation, suspension or termination of your account, access to the Services, disqualification from current and future games, and termination of the licenses granted hereunder. The foregoing shall not limit or restrict our available remedies at law.

@Chrynos1989 said:

@Scofie said:
I knew I shouldn't have started with an analogy...

I read first post of the thread as "if you play the game normally, then you'll get a few extra tokens and that's fair enough. If you know the exploit and play in a massively different way in order to get tokens, your account will be rolled back".

I don't think that's unreasonable.

It's like any other exploit - you could argue that the code is the code, so if you break it and cheat, it's the code's fault for not being more secure. Or those people who deliberately crash their car to put in a whiplash claim. Just because you can, doesn't make it right.

And to put on here that you don't care and you're going to do it anyway doesn't seem incredibly bright...🙄

As long as devs can clearly say who is exploiting and who is not I‘m with you

But can they garantuee?

App is super unstable, every time i come here my MPQ just closes and restarts, I bet when I Return after posting this, it‘ll restart again

They just have to communicate clearly they got this

I think they already know who the guilty parties are. This is just a final warning to stop it before it spreads, as it almost certainly would with iOS and Android now live.

@Scofie said:

@SuperCarrot said:
Or maybe they are culpable for releasing a known faulty product. If I choose to release something that is faulty consumers have recourse in the form of lawsuits…class action often. So they bear some responsibility for this.

In this case I want to play a game assuming normal play patterns in this position, if I play the game I might get too many of these rewards…I don’t know how many. I don’t know their metrics for what is acceptable or not. I do know that anything could potentially land me in hot water. So you are presented with two choices, play the game and maybe fall victim to something you have no control over or don’t play. Not playing is an option. Another option is for the company to take ownership of the mistake and rectify it. Maybe they have to pull the game for a minute and people can go touch grass. Multiple ways to look at this, mine is through the lens that they are handling it wrong.

Edited to add: not sure how
Much sense this made. Typed it while taking a break from mowing.

I'm guessing they have metrics for player usage. If you, every day, hit one PvE easy node and quit a hundred times before breakfast, then I'm sure you're going to be fine. If it's the trend only since updating, I'm expecting that to be a different kettle of fish.

The Steam community who this 100% started with is relatively small, right? The term "shooting fish in a barrel" comes to mind...

How bout fix your broken game instead of threatening to roll back people’s accounts? I honestly don’t even want to play this game anymore with how awful it is to play currently with this horrible update that’s been implemented, especially when there are other Marvel games out there that run 100% more fluidly and smoothly than this pile of junk does at the moment. Seriously, I hope everyone on the dev team is ashamed of this update because it is bad.

@Scofie said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@Scofie said:

@SuperCarrot said:
Or maybe they are culpable for releasing a known faulty product. If I choose to release something that is faulty consumers have recourse in the form of lawsuits…class action often. So they bear some responsibility for this.

In this case I want to play a game assuming normal play patterns in this position, if I play the game I might get too many of these rewards…I don’t know how many. I don’t know their metrics for what is acceptable or not. I do know that anything could potentially land me in hot water. So you are presented with two choices, play the game and maybe fall victim to something you have no control over or don’t play. Not playing is an option. Another option is for the company to take ownership of the mistake and rectify it. Maybe they have to pull the game for a minute and people can go touch grass. Multiple ways to look at this, mine is through the lens that they are handling it wrong.

Edited to add: not sure how
Much sense this made. Typed it while taking a break from mowing.

I'm guessing they have metrics for player usage. If you, every day, hit one PvE easy node and quit a hundred times before breakfast, then I'm sure you're going to be fine. If it's the trend only since updating, I'm expecting that to be a different kettle of fish.

The Steam community who this 100% started with is relatively small, right? The term "shooting fish in a barrel" comes to mind...

Yeah, but to @Zarqa 's point earlier - this was known about since before Steam went live and nobody said "don't". I think a line has been drawn in the sand now and my personal view is that is fair enough.

FWIW, I don't think this is relating to Crash refreshing every day? That's a bug, not an exploit. Or do I just have double standards?! 😮

I sure hope not. Not that you can 'farm' LT from daily crash multiple times a day... those vault tokens, yes, you can 'farm' them. I gotten loads of it when pushing to 25win in one PVP, ended up emptying the vault and reset it for free. At that time, i was wondering how on earth i got them. Hmm...

@liminal_lad said:

@Blackstone said:

When I was 14, I mouthed off to a 27 year old man ... I never saw the punch coming. I woke up on the ground. It was totally unfair... But it was also very much deserved. I learned from that mistake...I hope it makes sense how that story relates here.

Call me crazy, but I don’t think adults should ever be punching children. I think your example is meant to be supporting the Devs but is actually an example of an abusive, unequal power dynamic.

While I generally agree with you, I provoked the situation. I'm not advocating anyone to literally punch anyone else. There was an unequal powwr dynamic, and I should have respected that. Instead I pushed and pushed (I probably felt like there was nothing that could be done to me or I was too emotional to think it through) and I received a consequence.

Afterwards, I could have whined about my age and ignored accountability for something that would not have happened if not for my own choices, or I could learn that there are consequences for actions even if I don't like the consequences.

Perhaps it was a bad example because it allows people to ignore the objective situation and focus on a suggestive moral high ground based on the age, but it very much applies.

There are people who poke bears, bears that lose lose patience, and people who never learn.

@DAZ0273 said:

Except they can.

505 Games Terms of Use:

Basic Terms

You understand and agree that you use the Services at your own risk. We have the right to terminate your access and use of the Services at any time for any reason, including if you violate these Terms or otherwise create risk or possible legal exposure for us. Any unauthorized use of the Services is expressly prohibited and we may take any action we deem appropriate, which may include, without limitation, suspension or termination of your account, access to the Services, disqualification from current and future games, and termination of the licenses granted hereunder. The foregoing shall not limit or restrict our available remedies at law.

Those terms and conditions say they can terminate your access for any reason. Of course they can.

What those terms and conditions specifically do NOT say are that you can't make use of a bug, or when a promotion isn't working as intended, you have to go to the forums and double check if what you're doing is "unauthorized use".

"Any unauthorized use of the Services is expressly prohibited" sounds like you can't hack, you can't use the game for your own commercial use, you can't copy code...

No one is hacking right now. No one is stealing code. No one is changing their phone date to trick the game into thinking what day it is. Closing and opening the game is normal part of gameplay. My phone does it all the time by itself whenever I do anything in another app, and that's with an 8gb ram Android phone.

Yes, doing this thousands of times is egregious, but they never said not to. They didn't try to patch it. They didn't put a notification in the game. They didn't add a "*terms and conditions" at the bottom of tokens to describe what is authorized use and what isn't authorized use. So even though I only purposefully reset my phone about 10 times to try it, I don't think anyone else doing it egregiously is breaking any terms and conditions.

Are they in their right to roll back accounts? Of course. They doesn't mean anyone broke the terms and conditions. It means their bug that they couldn't fix had such large impact that they feel that have to do some resets to restore balance. Maybe a bug that big (that they knew about) should be fixed earlier. Or even...not released to the masses in the first place...

@scottee said:

@DAZ0273 said:

Except they can.

505 Games Terms of Use:

Basic Terms

You understand and agree that you use the Services at your own risk. We have the right to terminate your access and use of the Services at any time for any reason, including if you violate these Terms or otherwise create risk or possible legal exposure for us. Any unauthorized use of the Services is expressly prohibited and we may take any action we deem appropriate, which may include, without limitation, suspension or termination of your account, access to the Services, disqualification from current and future games, and termination of the licenses granted hereunder. The foregoing shall not limit or restrict our available remedies at law.

Those terms and conditions say they can terminate your access for any reason. Of course they can.

What those terms and conditions specifically do NOT say are that you can't make use of a bug, or when a promotion isn't working as intended, you have to go to the forums and double check if what you're doing is "unauthorized use".

"Any unauthorized use of the Services is expressly prohibited" sounds like you can't hack, you can't use the game for your own commercial use, you can't copy code...

No one is hacking right now. No one is stealing code. No one is changing their phone date to trick the game into thinking what day it is. Closing and opening the game is normal part of gameplay. My phone does it all the time by itself whenever I do anything in another app, and that's with an 8gb ram Android phone.

Yes, doing this thousands of times is egregious, but they never said not to. They didn't try to patch it. They didn't put a notification in the game. They didn't add a "*terms and conditions" at the bottom of tokens to describe what is authorized use and what isn't authorized use. So even though I only purposefully reset my phone about 10 times to try it, I don't think anyone else doing it egregiously is breaking any terms and conditions.

Are they in their right to roll back accounts? Of course. They doesn't mean anyone broke the terms and conditions. It means their bug that they couldn't fix had such large impact that they feel that have to do some resets to restore balance. Maybe a bug that big (that they knew about) should be fixed earlier. Or even...not released to the masses in the first place...

What part of "any reason" does that not cover? I guess Lunch is finished! Are you guilty?

@Itsmeabxab said:
Ok so honestly the rollout has sucked and you did a **** job of testing it, and you didn’t listen to players. So tell you what bud, if you want me to stop my 10 year streak and stop spending a hundred or more a month on the game then ban me, please ban me, because I’m sick of this game and how it’s gone downhill in the last 5 years. You all are lazy and incompetent, and threatening us by saying no stop playing our buggy game is insane.

This is hard but here is the reality - you spend 100 or so a month on digital items the game offers, you spend like all of us zero on playing the game itself because it is completely free to play. This creates the issue that affects us all that we have absolutely no proprietary interest in this game at all, not a penny or cent. As long as we received whatever digital goods we paid for, everything else is completely arbitrary and total power lies with the Devs. So they can do absolutely whatever they want. Including introducing a game disrupting engine. And we agreed to it - we also agreed that the Devs don't even have to guarantee us that we can play the game and that we do so "at our own risk" be that enjoyment or performance wise.

Tempers are running hot right now. My personal take on this is that the Devs don't really want to spend the man hours on going after people who did this - they just want you, whoever you might be to stop and also especially not encourage it on the bigger platforms. Whatever you get by just playing the game is fine, just don't exploit what you know is an exploit. So yes, the rollout is terrible but no I don't think the Devs want to ban you and you can quietly get back to playing or you could quit of course but hopefully this all blows over and we get back to all enjoying our game.

Cool heads make better choices.

@Itsmeabxab said:
Feel free to ask me for my username I’ll happily provide it for banning purposes. Man you guys are so tone deaf. Putting out **** year after year and the game declines and there constant errors ins schedules and bugs everywhere, and the new rollout sucks, and the only thing you guys can see is oh no stop abusing our buggy pile of ****, just pretend it’s fine and don’t play the nodes available! Pound sand. Seriously…. The gall to post this is astounding.

Oh well, so much for cool heads I guess.

Get the Devs!