Getting bored

@KGB said:
I love supports in PvP and they've been great at level I play. Lots of others on here feel the same way at the level they are playing.

The problem as always is there are vastly different experiences depending on where one is. It's great at some levels of play and awful at others. Not sure what the solution to that is.

KGB

This isn't a mystery -- if you mostly have optimized supports and your opponents mostly don't, you've got a pretty massive advantage. You're basically playing PvE.

In fact, imagine the devs sticking Leapfrog/Eros Arrow/Copter/Car etc on every single fight in PvE, and you'll get a sense of what the rest of us are dealing with.

@StillMonsoon3 said:

@ThisisClemFandango said:
What I really love is not one of you have questioned the my forums comment.
This can be one of 2 things. 1 you accept that I am the de facto forum manager or, 2 none of you can be bothered to engage with my childish drivel.
I'm picking option 1.

As you can tell by my numerous non-comments to this comment, it was clearly option 2.

Oh ****. Does my response about my non-responses mean I am engaging with the drivel? I don't know anymore. I should just go back to lurking.

You know you love me really

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:
I love supports in PvP and they've been great at level I play. Lots of others on here feel the same way at the level they are playing.

The problem as always is there are vastly different experiences depending on where one is. It's great at some levels of play and awful at others. Not sure what the solution to that is.

KGB

This isn't a mystery -- if you mostly have optimized supports and your opponents mostly don't, you've got a pretty massive advantage. You're basically playing PvE.

In fact, imagine the devs sticking Leapfrog/Eros Arrow/Copter/Car etc on every single fight in PvE, and you'll get a sense of what the rest of us are dealing with.

I see those same supports, especially Leapfrog.

It's clear some supports need rebalance in the same way some OP characters do too. But just because some supports need a rebalance doesn't mean supports need to go away entirely in PvP as is suggested. That's throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

KGB

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:
I love supports in PvP and they've been great at level I play. Lots of others on here feel the same way at the level they are playing.

The problem as always is there are vastly different experiences depending on where one is. It's great at some levels of play and awful at others. Not sure what the solution to that is.

KGB

This isn't a mystery -- if you mostly have optimized supports and your opponents mostly don't, you've got a pretty massive advantage. You're basically playing PvE.

In fact, imagine the devs sticking Leapfrog/Eros Arrow/Copter/Car etc on every single fight in PvE, and you'll get a sense of what the rest of us are dealing with.

I see those same supports, especially Leapfrog.

It's clear some supports need rebalance in the same way some OP characters do too. But just because some supports need a rebalance doesn't mean supports need to go away entirely in PvP as is suggested. That's throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

KGB

Oh no, I don't want them removed only from PvP. I'd much, much prefer them rebalancing supports overall.

Removing them from PvP just allows them to go on existing in PvE, enabling turn0 wins, and making most of them pretty useless (nobody even cared about Leapfrog until it showed up in PvP!).

I think supports can be an extra tweak or enabler for certain teams and strategies that otherwise wouldn't work. They can add depth to the game and give us more choices in the teams we run. I think they were a cool idea that just never got properly implemented.

@KGB said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@KGB said:

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:
I love supports in PvP and they've been great at level I play. Lots of others on here feel the same way at the level they are playing.

The problem as always is there are vastly different experiences depending on where one is. It's great at some levels of play and awful at others. Not sure what the solution to that is.

KGB

This isn't a mystery -- if you mostly have optimized supports and your opponents mostly don't, you've got a pretty massive advantage. You're basically playing PvE.

In fact, imagine the devs sticking Leapfrog/Eros Arrow/Copter/Car etc on every single fight in PvE, and you'll get a sense of what the rest of us are dealing with.

I see those same supports, especially Leapfrog.

It's clear some supports need rebalance in the same way some OP characters do too. But just because some supports need a rebalance doesn't mean supports need to go away entirely in PvP as is suggested. That's throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

KGB

Why can't we have both? PvP with Supports and PvP without Supports?

Why not both simultaneously and let players pick on a per battle basis?

You equip supports to your team as normal. Then on the pre-battle screen where you see your opponents team add a button/checkbox that says 'support enabled'. If you leave it enabled then supports are in the battle for both sides. If you uncheck, supports are disabled for both sides. Note on retal, the player gets to also pick supports enabled or not so you'll need to always have supports on your characters for retals (unless you don't care or maybe makes baking easier...).

Voila, you can used them as desired. Enemy team has leapfrog and you don't have an AOE, you can uncheck supports.

KGB

They probably don't offer that option because they want to sell us all supports, and supports are a big part of defensive teams -- far more important than they are on offense.

"Supports in PvP" isn't a problem at all, though. The actual problem is that the supports are either far too powerful and game-warping, or incredibly weak and never worth using. If we had more options, better counterplay, and (much) better balance between them, then there'd be no need for a setting to turn them on or off.

(BTW, if they're going to give us a setting for PvP, can I have a setting where I turn off supports in PvE? Nobody else can use them unless I'm using them! How would that work out?)

So you've returned. I'm beside myself with agitation.
Don't listen to this fool, he doesn't even play the game!
He sits upon a throne of lies.

@mdreyer93 said:
I think they should introduce Affiliation-based PVPs with limited roster availability. Heroic PVP basically. That would shake things up and allow you to use different/interesting team combos.

I was kind of disappointed that didn't do the "year of" pvp's this year. Last year they did every year for the anniversary and you could only use characters released that year. The early years where the highest level characters you could use were 4 stars were kind of a drag, but now that I have all those characters ascended I thought it might be fun.

I think Heroic PVP combined with reducing the wins required for full progression would work. By reducing the required wins, people wouldn't feel like it was more effort to get the rewards they were previously getting by using whatever fast meta team they had before.

@mdreyer93 said:
I think they should introduce Affiliation-based PVPs with limited roster availability. Heroic PVP basically. That would shake things up and allow you to use different/interesting team combos.

I'd love this, and I have loved this every time they've run it.

The existing "theme" events really need to enforce lockouts too. Running "women of marvel" and every team is Chasm/Hulk (I think this happened, if not something very much like that) is not fun.