Sidewinder (Seth Voelker) 4*

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  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,670 Chairperson of the Boards

    I see, well it makes a lot of sense in some ways to delay ascension if he is going to be altered. Of course it would have made an equal amount of sense to course correct even harder than they did but hey to the ho.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,471 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 9 March 2025, 17:25

    @DAZ0273 said:
    I see, well it makes a lot of sense in some ways to delay ascension if he is going to be altered. Of course it would have made an equal amount of sense to course correct even harder than they did but hey to the ho.

    Actually I appreciate the mild course correction from 5 to 8 AP. If (when) it changes again I hope it's another minor correction to something like 12 AP and then if a further adjustment needed to 15 or 18 and so on.

    The previous Devs went WAY overboard on the nerf hammer and that really put a sour taste in players mouths regarding future nerfs to the point where you can't even mention one without a 1000 page thread against the idea of any nerfs.

    So mild corrections gives hope that future nerfs will be done in the same manner so that characters aren't completely ruined by needed balance adjustments.

    KGB

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,379 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:
    I see, well it makes a lot of sense in some ways to delay ascension if he is going to be altered. Of course it would have made an equal amount of sense to course correct even harder than they did but hey to the ho.

    This is normal -- I always forget, but there is a delay between characters going into tokens and being eligible for ascension.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,379 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:

    @DAZ0273 said:
    I see, well it makes a lot of sense in some ways to delay ascension if he is going to be altered. Of course it would have made an equal amount of sense to course correct even harder than they did but hey to the ho.

    Actually I appreciate the mild course correction from 5 to 8 AP. If (when) it changes again I hope it's another minor correction to something like 12 AP and then if a further adjustment needed to 15 or 18 and so on.

    The previous Devs went WAY overboard on the nerf hammer and that really put a sour taste in players mouths regarding future nerfs to the point where you can't even mention one without a 1000 page thread against the idea of any nerfs.

    So mild corrections gives hope that future nerfs will be done in the same manner so that characters aren't completely ruined by needed balance adjustments.

    KGB

    I agree that this is how they should be doing balance, but they've shown no inclination to do it this way in the past. Ideally you make a small move, evaluate and then revisit if necessary. They don't seem to be interested in the "revisit" part though, which is probably why they tend to bring the hammer down so hard.

    If this is the start of them doing it that way, great!

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,000 Chairperson of the Boards

    They haven't nerfed anyone in a very long time before this, and only very rarely adjust characters one way or the other outside the scheduled rebalance once a season, since I returned about 18 months ago.

    However, back a long time ago.....probably around 2017-18 ish maybe? Maybe earlier?....they used to include some character updates in the revisions every 2 weeks, usually minor ones.

    Why? Maybe because there were fewer characters so some tweaks seemed more impactful to the game overall. Maybe because the staff was bigger (different developer) or their approach was different or something.

    I believe now that they have specific projects/tasks they are fairly limited to when working on the game. In any case, I hope they fine tune him a bit but don't expect a change in approach necessarily.

    But if there is, it might be more focused on newer characters at release. I think that they updated a couple recently (Sam, at minimum, comes to mind) to make them work better with other characters after release.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,670 Chairperson of the Boards

    Well we know they have a hit list of characters they are looking at very closely in terms of rebalances so I guess Sidewinder is added to that list.

    Hopefully it isn't another Chasm situation where it just drags on and on, if the Devs have identified issues then get it over and done with sooner than later before players get too attached.

  • Speed283
    Speed283 Posts: 124 Tile Toppler

    Should I spend my 600 hoarded LL tokens to try to get Sidewinder? Thanks in advance for all comments!

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,876 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Speed283 said:
    Should I spend my 600 hoarded LL tokens to try to get Sidewinder? Thanks in advance for all comments!

    I wouldn't. And I put my money where my mouth is, because my Sidewinder isnt champed.

    Just get the good power to 5. That's plenty for PvE if you want to use him there. It's also good enough in a lot of (not all) PvP situations.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,670 Chairperson of the Boards

    You should be able to get Sidewinder champed through normal play, whilst his head is still on the rebalancing block I wouldn't bust a gut to push beyond that too much.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,471 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 18 March 2025, 13:45

    @Borstock said:

    @Speed283 said:
    Should I spend my 600 hoarded LL tokens to try to get Sidewinder? Thanks in advance for all comments!

    I wouldn't. And I put my money where my mouth is, because my Sidewinder isnt champed.

    Just get the good power to 5. That's plenty for PvE if you want to use him there. It's also good enough in a lot of (not all) PvP situations.

    The only thing I'd say is that you also want at least one cover in his Blue because it gives you a get out of jail free against a nuke (if you aren't using Leapfrog).

    Mine is currently 4/2/5 and I haven't leveled him (running him at L70) at all. He's great in CL10 PvE and works just fine in PvP since he's never tanking anything anyway (I can get 25 wins easily). I put Leapfrog on him so I can different supports on my other 2 characters.

    Depending on how many covers you have, you can set him as your bonus hero and pull until you get at least 1 Blue and 5 yellow covers. No need to rush to do anything more after that.

    KGB

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,379 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Speed283 said:
    Should I spend my 600 hoarded LL tokens to try to get Sidewinder? Thanks in advance for all comments!

    Who knows.

    If he remains as is, then emphatically yes. If they nerf him further, then maybe? -- it depends on the nerf.

    They really need to resolve this fast, one way or the other. Why are they letting it hang over people's heads like this?

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,000 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 18 March 2025, 15:39

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Speed283 said:
    Should I spend my 600 hoarded LL tokens to try to get Sidewinder? Thanks in advance for all comments!

    Who knows.

    If he remains as is, then emphatically yes. If they nerf him further, then maybe? -- it depends on the nerf.

    They really need to resolve this fast, one way or the other. Why are they letting it hang over people's heads like this?

    The new boost period for any new toon is 4 weeks, and they said they would re-evaluate him after the boost period (or some similar wording).

    His boost as a new toon should be done in a few days (still going this week, sometimes it goes through the event past the Thursday that marks 4 weeks).

    Hopefully they issue some statement soon after that, and/or just make any change.

    I am honestly not entirely sure how much he messes up the game given that you he essentially removes 2-3 moves vs using May and Namor and a decent 5, or just May in a pick 2. I mean I know it's super-crazy to win in 0-2 moves, but we were already crazy.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,670 Chairperson of the Boards

    I just don't want the accountants to win, damn them! Give me a mad scientist any day over a guy who wins by cold hard spreadsheet!

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,876 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:

    @Borstock said:

    @Speed283 said:
    Should I spend my 600 hoarded LL tokens to try to get Sidewinder? Thanks in advance for all comments!

    I wouldn't. And I put my money where my mouth is, because my Sidewinder isnt champed.

    Just get the good power to 5. That's plenty for PvE if you want to use him there. It's also good enough in a lot of (not all) PvP situations.

    The only thing I'd say is that you also want at least one cover in his Blue because it gives you a get out of jail free against a nuke (if you aren't using Leapfrog).

    I thought about that after I posted. You're right.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,379 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Speed283 said:
    Should I spend my 600 hoarded LL tokens to try to get Sidewinder? Thanks in advance for all comments!

    Who knows.

    If he remains as is, then emphatically yes. If they nerf him further, then maybe? -- it depends on the nerf.

    They really need to resolve this fast, one way or the other. Why are they letting it hang over people's heads like this?

    The new boost period for any new toon is 4 weeks, and they said they would re-evaluate him after the boost period (or some similar wording).

    His boost as a new toon should be done in a few days (still going this week, sometimes it goes through the event past the Thursday that marks 4 weeks).

    Hopefully they issue some statement soon after that, and/or just make any change.

    I am honestly not entirely sure how much he messes up the game given that you he essentially removes 2-3 moves vs using May and Namor and a decent 5, or just May in a pick 2. I mean I know it's super-crazy to win in 0-2 moves, but we were already crazy.

    He's still a threat in pick 2. I saw some Omega Sidewinder teams today, and figured "easy win," except Omega + copter tanks everything and randomly cascades the entire board away.

    Sidewinder's built in protection + leapfrog + Eros Arrow meant I couldn't kill him fast enough, and I ate a cascade for over a million damage on their turn 2 and wiped.