Sidewinder (Seth Voelker) 4*

LavaManLee

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:

@BriMan2222 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Just confirming that this nerf does absolutely nothing.

In 50 or so fights I didn't even notice a change, either using him on offense or fighting against him on defense.

Looks like they are still looking into further nerfing...

The change emphatically did not fix the zero turn wins.

Totally agree. I question again how much they actually know about playing the game. How on earth would they think that the "nerf" they put in would fix the zero turn wins?

I guess it's possible that boosted Chasm is a bunch of this, and maybe next week it'll be back to normal. After all, it's much easier to win turn 0 when all the enemies are stunned!

I think that team will remain a presence in high level PvP though, and there's a decent chance it's just better than anything else you can be doing, even with unboosted Chasm.

Yeah, it is. SW is not boosted in the new SIM and just chewed my way to 50 wins in the shortest time ever using level 280 SW / 550 Chasm / 4Asc5Juggs.

ArchusMonk

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:

@BriMan2222 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Just confirming that this nerf does absolutely nothing.

In 50 or so fights I didn't even notice a change, either using him on offense or fighting against him on defense.

Looks like they are still looking into further nerfing...

The change emphatically did not fix the zero turn wins.

Totally agree. I question again how much they actually know about playing the game. How on earth would they think that the "nerf" they put in would fix the zero turn wins?

I guess it's possible that boosted Chasm is a bunch of this, and maybe next week it'll be back to normal. After all, it's much easier to win turn 0 when all the enemies are stunned!

I think that team will remain a presence in high level PvP though, and there's a decent chance it's just better than anything else you can be doing, even with unboosted Chasm.

Someone in my alliance said they got 50 wins in shield sim with Chasm Winder without much problem, so the Chasm boost is helpful but not necessary. Maybe unboosted Chasm vs boosted toons in pick 2 will matter, but I doubt it.

Borstock

I hate this character. I hate what the devs have done to PvP. I won't threaten leaving, because let's be real... I'm not gonna. But this is the least amount of fun I've had playing since the iHulk release.

Bzhai

Okay so I just finished 50 wins in Iron Fist pvp and boy is this game really stupid right now.

Putting aside how allowing everyone and their grandma's younger roster punch up and alienate older players, this just forces us to use Chasm + Sidewinder in every event. I initially didn't want to, but I had to switch because I kept getting hammered at 900+ pts.

Tell the devs not to bother with the boosted list of the week. Nobody is gonna use them now because they're forced to use this cheesy character.

Codex

What was the compensation after the 1st nerf? And will there be compensation after the second nerf?

GrimSkald

@Codex said:
What was the compensation after the 1st nerf? And will there be compensation after the second nerf?

They didn't nerf him. What they did was not a nerf, it was an insignificant change at best.

In general they haven't done compensation unless it was a really big nerf, and then you had the option to sell the character and get some tokens back. Do you want to sell your Sidewinder for some random 4*s?

Hellblazer666

Now everyone and their mother is using this dude in Shield Simulator along side the Chasm's Omega Reds Iron May's ETC. God Shield Sim sucks now even more now that supports are allowed

WhiteBomber

If Chasm isn't in the fight, these are usually very simple wins. I am yet to find anything worse than Red, Chasm, May. Though Winder is clearly far too good on offense, I have yet to be punished for fighting against him (I could just be lucky).

If anyone encounters a team that is too much to take on, I would love to help troubleshoot it.

entrailbucket

Has anyone ascended him yet? Probably not any of us here, but has anyone seen screenshots yet?

Borstock

@entrailbucket said:
Has anyone ascended him yet? Probably not any of us here, but has anyone seen screenshots yet?

I've seen a 370.

Edit to add: I can confirm a second 370 is also in the wild.

entrailbucket

@Borstock said:

@entrailbucket said:
Has anyone ascended him yet? Probably not any of us here, but has anyone seen screenshots yet?

I've seen a 370.

Probably afraid to find out, and I don't blame them! But I figured the..."test accounts" would've done it by now and shared the results.

meteor0905

@entrailbucket said:
Has anyone ascended him yet? Probably not any of us here, but has anyone seen screenshots yet?

No ascending for winder right now
My friend ready for it ,and I will pull if ascending aviliable

entrailbucket

@meteor0905 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Has anyone ascended him yet? Probably not any of us here, but has anyone seen screenshots yet?

No ascending for winder right now
My friend ready for it ,and I will pull if ascending aviliable

Oh right, I forgot there's an additional delay after they go into tokens.

DAZ0273

We are in new territory here as this will be the first (current one doesn't really count) Nerf to an ascendable character if it indeed happens, considering the sheer level of effort needed to get them there I wonder how they will handle compensation? Not a problem for me I might add...

meteor0905

Don't you know why ascending delayed ?

@DAZ0273 said:
We are in new territory here as this will be the first (current one doesn't really count) Nerf to an ascendable character if it indeed happens, considering the sheer level of effort needed to get them there I wonder how they will handle compensation? Not a problem for me I might add...

DAZ0273

@meteor0905 said:

Don't you know why ascending delayed ?

@DAZ0273 said:
We are in new territory here as this will be the first (current one doesn't really count) Nerf to an ascendable character if it indeed happens, considering the sheer level of effort needed to get them there I wonder how they will handle compensation? Not a problem for me I might add...

Sorry not sure what you mean?

meteor0905

@DAZ0273 said:

@meteor0905 said:

Don't you know why ascending delayed ?

@DAZ0273 said:
We are in new territory here as this will be the first (current one doesn't really count) Nerf to an ascendable character if it indeed happens, considering the sheer level of effort needed to get them there I wonder how they will handle compensation? Not a problem for me I might add...

Sorry not sure what you mean?

Normally you can ascend now, they delayed.

That we all discuss about "what if they nerf after someone ascend" ,it's embarrassing

meteor0905

@meteor0905 said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@meteor0905 said:

Don't you know why ascending delayed ?

@DAZ0273 said:
We are in new territory here as this will be the first (current one doesn't really count) Nerf to an ascendable character if it indeed happens, considering the sheer level of effort needed to get them there I wonder how they will handle compensation? Not a problem for me I might add...

Sorry not sure what you mean?

Normally you can ascend now, they delayed.

That we all discuss about "what if they nerf after someone ascend" ,it's embarrassing

it's 113+113 cover
226 pull of cp = 4520 cp
swap for 226 cover =90k HP

Scofie

@meteor0905 said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@meteor0905 said:

Don't you know why ascending delayed ?

@DAZ0273 said:
We are in new territory here as this will be the first (current one doesn't really count) Nerf to an ascendable character if it indeed happens, considering the sheer level of effort needed to get them there I wonder how they will handle compensation? Not a problem for me I might add...

Sorry not sure what you mean?

Normally you can ascend now, they delayed.

That we all discuss about "what if they nerf after someone ascend" ,it's embarrassing

I didn't know ascension for Sidewinder had been delayed. I assume it's common knowledge for those who are able to ascend? It makes sense at this point as it limits the impacts of compensation and variables to prevent double-dipping.

That's an huge amount of resource to be nerfed and I can only imagine that the only answer to "what will compensation be?" is "not enough".

meteor0905

@Scofie said:

@meteor0905 said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@meteor0905 said:

Don't you know why ascending delayed ?

@DAZ0273 said:
We are in new territory here as this will be the first (current one doesn't really count) Nerf to an ascendable character if it indeed happens, considering the sheer level of effort needed to get them there I wonder how they will handle compensation? Not a problem for me I might add...

Sorry not sure what you mean?

Normally you can ascend now, they delayed.

That we all discuss about "what if they nerf after someone ascend" ,it's embarrassing

I didn't know ascension for Sidewinder had been delayed. I assume it's common knowledge for those who are able to ascend? It makes sense at this point as it limits the impacts of compensation and variables to prevent double-dipping.

That's an huge amount of resource to be nerfed and I can only imagine that the only answer to "what will compensation be?" is "not enough".

for previous release it could be ascend after 1 week (after new tag removed)

but I could be wrong lol

anyway I don't think it's good idea if we can ascend now ,it could be disaster