Sidewinder (Seth Voelker) 4*

@S0kun said:
Just a heads up to everyone! We're looking into Sidewinder being a little too OP so don't be surprised if you see some kind of rebalance in the near future. I'll try to post an update if/when a change gets pushed out.

Did you mean way too OP? Why make adjustments if he is a "little" too OP.

@S0kun said:
Just a heads up to everyone! We're looking into Sidewinder being a little too OP so don't be surprised if you see some kind of rebalance in the near future. I'll try to post an update if/when a change gets pushed out.

Yeah his Purple definitely needs to be toned down.

Wish a few other things were getting the same look.

KGB

P.S. Gonna miss having to go back to brute forcing so many challenge nodes with BrB/Polaris + Heal supports. At least Sidewinder gave some other options.

@S0kun I put this in another thread but here’s an idea what other match damage monsters are doing. Hopefully SW will be in line with these characters and not blow them out of the freaking water. #powerbudget, #newengine

Captain Britain +780% max in strong colors with 18 stored AP.
Karnak- +560% after 4 turns
Ikaris +380% when airborne to enemy in back
IHulk +378% (after many deaths)
MBaku +300% (and 3% for each % health gone)
Ghost +300%
Juggernaut/Doop +225%
Chasm +220% max (I think? Not sure how he works)
Rhino +200% in strong colors
Thanos +175% (when CD out)
3* Namor +125% bonus damage with bottom 5 match
Colossus +125%
Adam Warlock +113%
Dark Beast +57% per black AP
America Chavez/Doop +30% per AP in that color
Headpool +30% bonus damage per match

Teammate boosts:
Iron May 150%
Agatha +30% per teammate match
The Hunter +90% for 3 AP (tied to a CD)
Cyclops +75% for 7 AP

Iron May is the best team booster at 150% flat. I think capping at 300% with 5 teamups would be fair for Winder.

He basically ruined Rogue's PvP. Would be nice to also get some acknowledgement of that.

@Borstock said:
He basically ruined Rogue's PvP. Would be nice to also get some acknowledgement of that.

As an off season event I've really enjoyed this PvP with Sidewinder as it was a breeze getting to 25 wins with a boosted Chasm. I've eaten dozens of boosted MThor teams as she flailed away helplessly as Sidewinder cackled with glee as he + Leapfrog allowed everyone to effortlessly avoid her hammer blows. She's never looked more useless.

KGB

I think it's difference of what level of PvP we are playing.

I don't have the characters at a level where turn 1 wins are possible (baring cascades). Nor do I face teams that can 1 shot me in return (again baring some bad cascade luck). So matches, even with Sidewinder + 2 TU boost do not end on turn 0 or 1 etc (I don't seem to have cascade supports). They are all going several turns which gives AI teams time to luck into all kinds of annoying things (esp MThor). Being able to down her quickly and when I can't, having multiple 'get out of jail free' passes from damage is not only fun, it's super helpful.

This difference in PvP experience is probably one of the hardest things for the Devs to manage because for some it's awful and for others it's not.

KGB

@entrailbucket said:

@KGB said:
I think it's difference of what level of PvP we are playing.

I don't have the characters at a level where turn 1 wins are possible (baring cascades). Nor do I face teams that can 1 shot me in return (again baring some bad cascade luck). So matches, even with Sidewinder + 2 TU boost do not end on turn 0 or 1 etc (I don't seem to have cascade supports). They are all going several turns which gives AI teams time to luck into all kinds of annoying things (esp MThor). Being able to down her quickly and when I can't, having multiple 'get out of jail free' passes from damage is not only fun, it's super helpful.

This difference in PvP experience is probably one of the hardest things for the Devs to manage because for some it's awful and for others it's not.

KGB

The "cascade supports" are Fantasticar and Thanos Copter -- I just realized I called them that without explaining it.

Ah, those are 2 of the 5 supports I have at R2, everything else (other than Mind Stone I don't have) are R3 and above. So that explains why I don't have them.

This last boss event let me get Lucky to R5 and I moved my favorite to the Car but it will be a while till I see anything because I won't use shards to go from R2 to R3, I'll wait and pull the next time it's in tokens and hope to get it at R3 (I have a decent stockpile) and save shards for R4/R5.

KGB

@Daredevil217 said:
@S0kun I put this in another thread but here’s an idea what other match damage monsters are doing. Hopefully SW will be in line with these characters and not blow them out of the freaking water. #powerbudget, #newengine

Captain Britain +780% max in strong colors with 18 stored AP.
Karnak- +560% after 4 turns
Ikaris +380% when airborne to enemy in back
IHulk +378% (after many deaths)
MBaku +300% (and 3% for each % health gone)
Ghost +300%
Juggernaut/Doop +225%
Chasm +220% max (I think? Not sure how he works)
Rhino +200% in strong colors
Thanos +175% (when CD out)
3* Namor +125% bonus damage with bottom 5 match
Colossus +125%
Adam Warlock +113%
Dark Beast +57% per black AP
America Chavez/Doop +30% per AP in that color
Headpool +30% bonus damage per match

Teammate boosts:
Iron May 150%
Agatha +30% per teammate match
The Hunter +90% for 3 AP (tied to a CD)
Cyclops +75% for 7 AP

Iron May is the best team booster at 150% flat. I think capping at 300% with 5 teamups would be fair for Winder.

I appreciate you posting this again. I think the only relevant ones are the teammate boosts since that's what he does, but I was curious and for anyone else who was wondering:

Winder is 10X more buff than IronMay (who is already amazing / the best) and for Agatha (the only other character who can boost anywhere near that) you would have to make 50 matches with other characters to hit those boost numbers. Whoopsie.