Unstable ISO-8 (Moonstone) Rank Point Observations

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I would have posted this in another thread. This information might be valuable. I want people to benefit from it. I noticed this behavior yesterday but I didn't want to say anything without offering times and point values. This supports the anecdotal evidence that others have reported. The rubber-banding effect of the point system makes it difficult to determine a pattern. At the #1 spot, I don't have that problem. Hopefully this will help you plan your weekend.

I'm currently waiting to see the max value of Crossing Borders.

EDIT: I have been updating times and results.

Repeatable: Trivial
West Coast Smugglers
At 5:40 I was #2 in my bracket
I had already exhausted this to 0 points earlier, so I was seeing how many points this is worth if I wait.
5:40: 5 points
6:00: 5 points
6:25: 5 points
6:35: 5 points
Battles:
4 battles, each awarded 5 points (20 points)
4 battles, each awarded 3 points (12 points)
3 battles, each awarded 1 point (3 points)
Exhausted to 0 at 6:50
Checked status between Reinforcements PVP Tournament battles
8:30: 0 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
8:45: 4 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
8:50: 5 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
9:00: 5 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
9:10: 5 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
9:13: 5 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
9:25: 5 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
9:34: 5 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]

This is weird. Keeping track of the numbers I should have earned 37 RED ISO. RED ISO increased by only 29 (1555-1526 = 29) The sum of the RED ISO awarded is 37.
9:38: 5
9:40: 5
9:41: 5
9:43: 4
9:45: 4
9:46: 4
9:48: 4
9:49: 2
9:50: 2
9:52: 2
9:53: 0 [I am #1 at 1555; #2 is at 1470]
10:18: 0 [I am #1 at 1555; #2 is at 1470]


Repeatable: Impossible
Crossing Borders
At 5:40, I was #2 in my bracket
Had already exhausted to 0, waited to observe points increasing.
5:40: 2 points
6:00: 2 points
6:25: 4 points
6:35: 4 points
6:50: 8 points
6:55: 10 points (I didn't wait to see if it would rise further)
Battles: I list points awarded, not points displayed before battle
1 Battle @ 10 points (7:00)
1 Battle @ 9 points
2 battles @ 7 points
1 battle @ 5 points
1 battle @ 4 points (7:16)
(put kids to bed)
1 battle @ 4 points (7:52)
1 battle @ 3 points
1 battle @ 2 points
1 battle @ 1 point (8:20)
Exhausted to 0
Checked status between Reinforcements PVP Tournament battles
(actually, I'm writing right now...)
9:00: 1 point [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
9:10: 3 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
9:13: 5 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
9:18: 6 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
9:25: 6 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470]
9:34: 6 points [I am #1 at 1526; #2 is at 1470] (Still at 6 points? Is this due to time spent putting kids to bed?)
9:54: 7 points [I am #1 at 1555; #2 is at 1470]
9:58: 9 points [I am #1 at 1555; #2 is at 1470]
10:18: 10 points [I am #1 at 1555; #2 is at 1470]


TLDR: I won't offer one. Read it and make your own conclusions

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Here are some conclusions

Each repeatable battle can be repeated 10 times for RED ISO. The math is screwed up in the game. It's not always the point value shown before the fight, it's not always the value in the point value awarded. The only score that matters is the one on the leaderboard.


There is a 2 hour gap between each fight.
It appears that points begin to accrue in reverse order.

West Coast Smugglers:
Base Point Value For Completing All 10 battles is 29


Border Crossing
Base Point Value For Completing All 10 battles is 45
(7:00)
1: 10
2: 9
3: 8
4: 7
5: 6
6: 5
7: 4
8: 3
9: 2
10: 1
(7:20)

After 2 hours the first fight is available
1: 1 (if you immediately go for it).
1: 10 (If you wait until the time it took for you to clear all the fights... 20 minutes)

So the most that can be earned in 4+ hours is 90 points, for this particular repeatable fight.

This is what I've found so far.

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i don't understand the point system too. should we wait for the last hour of each reset?

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MissMarvelBoobs wrote:

i don't understand the point system too. should we wait for the last hour of each reset?

This is what I can tell you, from what I have learned.

After doing each repeatable 10 times
Note the time you completed the last battle
2 Hours after the last battle
Go back into the RED ISO fight and do the repeatables again
You will start earning Red ISO starting at the MAX ISO for that fight.


EDIT:

If you mean the rubber-banding. They normalize the points to help you catch up to the higher ranks. So if someone is 5000 points higher than you, then you ought to be getting a lot per fight, but as you get closer to their rank, you'll earn less. Don't wait for the last hour.

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So it's some kind of points recharge system.

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I think you could say that.

2 hours after your the last fight nets you 0, it will be fully charged. I am certain of that.

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If that's the case, it would be a good idea to figure out how long it takes each charge to come back. If they all take the same amount of time to recharge, you'd want to coast along only using the 1 maximum charge as it comes back for maximum points.

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Thanks Bugpop for doing the experiments. This is basically what I've found out myself and posted in the other thread but this one has the proof to back it up and some more details.

The timer starts from each fight you complete I believe. So 2 hours from the first one you complete will be when the first recharge will gain and 2 hours from the last one you complete will be when the last recharge is built. If you only want to do the mission when it is max value, that means you get that value every 2 hours.

I think it was kind of fun trying to figure this out ^^

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sps-puzzlequest wrote:

Thanks Bugpop for doing the experiments. This is basically what I've found out myself and posted in the other thread but this one has the proof to back it up and some more details.

The timer starts from each fight you complete I believe. So 2 hours from the first one you complete will be when the first recharge will gain and 2 hours from the last one you complete will be when the last recharge is built. If you only want to do the mission when it is max value, that means you get that value every 2 hours.

I think it was kind of fun trying to figure this out ^^

Each point has it's own recharge timer?

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Still this is grindy and ridiculous. People are just throwing their time at each other in order to win at this tournament. If everyone would just agree to spend 50% of the effort they're currently putting in, everyone would be better off. But alas.

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Sooty wrote:

Still this is grindy and ridiculous. People are just throwing their time at each other in order to win at this tournament. If everyone would just agree to spend 50% of the effort they're currently putting in, everyone would be better off. But alas.

Except that would require players not in the top three to accept that they won't get as good a reward as they can. For example, my bracket has five players over 1600 - I can't imagine that any of them aren't gunning for top three.

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JohnduBois wrote:

Sooty wrote:

Still this is grindy and ridiculous. People are just throwing their time at each other in order to win at this tournament. If everyone would just agree to spend 50% of the effort they're currently putting in, everyone would be better off. But alas.

Except that would require players not in the top three to accept that they won't get as good a reward as they can. For example, my bracket has five players over 1600 - I can't imagine that any of them aren't gunning for top three.

Yeah, that's why I'm going to try to avoid a pissing contest. Thankfully there don't seem to be enough people in my bracket who are too desperate to get 500 HP and I'm staying within the top 50 quite easily.

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Sooty wrote:

JohnduBois wrote:

Sooty wrote:

Still this is grindy and ridiculous. People are just throwing their time at each other in order to win at this tournament. If everyone would just agree to spend 50% of the effort they're currently putting in, everyone would be better off. But alas.

Except that would require players not in the top three to accept that they won't get as good a reward as they can. For example, my bracket has five players over 1600 - I can't imagine that any of them aren't gunning for top three.

Yeah, that's why I'm going to try to avoid a pissing contest. Thankfully there don't seem to be enough people in my bracket who are too desperate to get 500 HP and I'm staying within the top 50 quite easily.

Top 50 doesn't seem too hard. In my bracket, there's a 300-point gap between 3rd and 10th, so I'm even feeling super-comfortable about top 15.

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JohnduBois wrote:

Top 50 doesn't seem too hard. In my bracket, there's a 300-point gap between 3rd and 10th, so I'm even feeling super-comfortable about top 15.

I just hope we don't wind up with a high-value repeatable at the end that invalidates prior effort.

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Misguided wrote:

I just hope we don't wind up with a high-value repeatable at the end that invalidates prior effort.

You know we will...

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vaargen wrote:

Misguided wrote:

I just hope we don't wind up with a high-value repeatable at the end that invalidates prior effort.

You know we will...

If it involves Rags then I guess I can't complain, but that's considering me and my team... would suck in general for most others.

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Bugpop wrote:

The math is screwed up in the game. It's not always the point value shown before the fight, it's not always the value in the point value awarded. The only score that matters is the one on the leaderboard.

Seems to me the value that the mission shows before you start is the value you earned the previous time you did it, not the current one. I'm wondering if there isn't an error with the pointer to the mission stack somewhere so it is off by one spot.

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Misguided wrote:

Seems to me the value that the mission shows before you start is the value you earned the previous time you did it, not the current one.

Yes I noticed that too.

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Misguided wrote:

Bugpop wrote:

The math is screwed up in the game. It's not always the point value shown before the fight, it's not always the value in the point value awarded. The only score that matters is the one on the leaderboard.

Seems to me the value that the mission shows before you start is the value you earned the previous time you did it, not the current one. I'm wondering if there isn't an error with the pointer to the mission stack somewhere so it is off by one spot.

Indeed. I noticed at the screen showing you the points you were awarded, showing you your point total with the awarded points, that the point total isn't always the actual point total on the leaderboard. It's often off by one point.

For instance
On the award screen you have this:
+8
1250

On the leaderboard you have
1249

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Humphrey wrote:

Misguided wrote:

Seems to me the value that the mission shows before you start is the value you earned the previous time you did it, not the current one.

Yes I noticed that too.

You can get around this by completely exiting the game. When you come back in, it'll be properly updated.

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After a couple of days of playing I actually am starting to like this system .

From what I can tell now the repeatable missions do indeed have iterations as explained above, where each time you complete it a separate two hour timer starts (explaining why it sometimes happens that the mission goes up in value while you are playing, it just means that a reset happened of a higher point iteration).

The interesting thing is that the only ways I can see to maintain an edge is not to wait, but complete missions asap and then farm the repeatable every two hours as fast as you can (as that minimises the reset times). Happy to be proven wrong though, as people seem to be observe higher point values when behind the top ranks (I just don't see that myself)