Were 4*'s abandoned?

yogi_

So, we've got an Invisible Woman and a third Wolverine but limited progress / usefulness thus far.

And then this gold star thingy came along - a sort of 3* but not really, though not really 4*.

Do you think the devs actually had plans for the 4*s to start with and then for whatever reason, they just got left? There seems to be no rhyme or reason for it.

Nick Fury is perhaps a restart on the concept, having quite a unique skill set and given out only very limitedly early on. [Still waiting for my first Fury cover via non-Alliance means].

Perhaps there are other similar styles of characters to follow, say characters that play more overarching roles in the comics - perhaps we'll see a "Norman Osborn" at some point.

So, what to do with IW and X-Force Wolvie? IW can morph into a (probably useful supporting type) 3* character (joining Torch) and X-FW, not quite sure.

But damn that ridiculous gold star classification. Even if the exact stats are copied from earlier versions, a 3* with shinyness, makes no sense when trying to make a solid classification (as discussed in numerous other threads).

How about a complete reclassifcation of all characters into levels again? By teams? Eras / Ages? etc etc.

Edited a few times, as I just fidgeted with some wordings, but intent the same.

yogi_

Oh and Osborn's colours would be Red, Green and Black - the exact opposite of Fury.

Spoit

Yes, we really need another red/green character, especially with black, which is probably the most common 3rd color with it after yellow.

(Would it be racist to say it was weird that fury didn't get black as one of his colors?)

Unknown

As colors for Osborn (specially the Dark Avengers Iron Patriot Osborn) I think the more likely is the Green/Red/Blue combo... but the Green/Red/Black combo is just slightly less likely then the other...

Maybe Osborn will be the new four star who will replace Fury as season alliance prize after season 3?

Unknown

There are only a few characters in this storyline that incorporate the color Purple heavily into their costume and/or power set. Why, for the love of Pete, would Osborn not be a strong Purple character? They already dropped the ball with Psylocke, and you know they'll do it with Shulkie too.

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Euridice wrote:

Maybe Osborn will be the new four star who will replace Fury as season alliance prize after season 3?

I'll be surprised if season 4 doesn't introduce a new 4*.

Unknown

Expalphalog wrote:

There are only a few characters in this storyline that incorporate the color Purple heavily into their costume and/or power set. Why, for the love of Pete, would Osborn not be a strong Purple character? They already dropped the ball with Psylocke, and you know they'll do it with Shulkie too.

Indeed, he should be Green / Purple / Red (maybe yellow) for sure but as we know... the colours don't always make sense (add HT to the list). It also depends whether Osbourne is given his goblin colours or Iron Patriot with it's Blue / Red / Yellow(?) colours.

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DrUnpleasant wrote:

Expalphalog wrote:

There are only a few characters in this storyline that incorporate the color Purple heavily into their costume and/or power set. Why, for the love of Pete, would Osborn not be a strong Purple character? They already dropped the ball with Psylocke, and you know they'll do it with Shulkie too.

Indeed, he should be Green / Purple / Red (maybe yellow) for sure but as we know... the colours don't always make sense (add HT to the list). It also depends whether Osbourne is given his goblin colours or Iron Patriot with it's Blue / Red / Yellow(?) colours.

The Iron Patriot colors must be Blue and Red so he will need a third color (likely a green or purple or black) who can be related to Green Goblin...

yogi_

I think I read something where the implcation was that Iron Patriot was going to be a character here at some point.

I guess I see Osborn being a character as himself.

When I suggested the colours above, they were solely due to them being the direct opposite of Fury. I took no other characters into consideration.

The other additional take on it would be to have powers that were intentionally similar to Fury, so essentially they are mirror of the other; so a Dark Avengers Assemble, a trap or similar power and another multi-facted ability.

Give them out slowly (yet still allowing everyone a chance - not just top Alliances) and maybe even disable ability to buy more for HP for the short term. Daily rewards, for example.

Dayv

Spoit wrote:

(Would it be racist to say it was weird that fury didn't get black as one of his colors?)

... yeah, it kinda would.

Unknown

WIth Norman's scheming, and the tech of the stolen Stark armor, my votes for Norman Osborn (Iron Patriot) go red/yellow/black.

Norman should not actually be the EXACT opposite of Nick; it`s like looking through a funhouse mirror and seeing the warped reflection. It's not the differences that scare you, it's the similarities.

Could you imagine Norman getting a yellow called "Dark Avengers Assemble"?



Anyways, back to topic, no? I don't think they've abandoned *4. There really should not be a bunch of them. It's bad enough now that the *3 outnumber the *2, most players wouldn't want to deal with an obscenely hard to get stable of new *4 as well.

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Nereb wrote:

WIth Norman's scheming, and the tech of the stolen Stark armor, my votes for Norman Osborn (Iron Patriot) go red/yellow/black.

Norman should not actually be the EXACT opposite of Nick; it`s like looking through a funhouse mirror and seeing the warped reflection. It's not the differences that scare you, it's the similarities.

Could you imagine Norman getting a yellow called "Dark Avengers Assemble"?



Anyways, back to topic, no? I don't think they've abandoned *4. There really should not be a bunch of them. It's bad enough now that the *3 outnumber the *2, most players wouldn't want to deal with an obscenely hard to get stable of new *4 as well.

So... yellow ares, red moon, blue dakan, black bullseye, purple yelena?


Personally I think xforce screwed up 4****. I think they originally planned to have a new one every month or two but with xforce being so awful and then iw being weak too 4**** didn't "show them the money" the way ragnarok was doing. So, they nerfed rag and started creating more "new"rags as 3***. L.Thor proved that the concept would work, and they stopped needing 4****. Fury was created as a reinvention of 4**** and as a reward for seasons. As such, I wouldn't be wholly surprised if 3 colors, 3 seasons becomes the new way that 4**** are released. That would be a new 4**** every 3 months, which I think is a decent timeframe.

I think its closer to say that they put 4**** on the backburner rather than forgot them. Adding new elements and constant changes for maxing profit were more direct ways for them to gain money than hoping a failed higher rarity would all of a sudden pan out (if Thor was 4****, for example, would ppl bate an eyelash? ) clearly a higher rarity wasn't even necessary yet. Games like these need some form of power creep. Higher rarities that don't completely outclass thier lower star value is much gentler than many methods (such as needing old op characters just to bring in new op characters...just for a random example). As such, I think fury is well built, and therefore the chances of other 4**** being similar is at least even odds.

HailMary

yogi_ wrote:

So, what to do with IW and X-Force Wolvie? IW can morph into a (probably useful supporting type) 3* character (joining Torch) and X-FW, not quite sure.

Well, the XWolv buff has been a loooooong time coming, so I'm not holding my breath for that one, and IW is already a usable character with a rather unique skill set.

Also, how is Torch is a supporting character?

yogi_ wrote:

But damn that ridiculous gold star classification. Even if the exact stats are copied from earlier versions, a 3* with shinyness, makes no sense when trying to make a solid classification (as discussed in numerous other threads).

Well, they're just 3*s. "Gold" actually makes sense to explicitly differentiate "upgraded" 1*/2* characters from truly unique 3* characters. I'm pretty sure that the Gold character covers have pulsing stars simply to highlight them, especially for people who simply want to keep playing their favorite 1*/2* characters into 3* land.

yogi_ wrote:

How about a complete reclassifcation of all characters into levels again? By teams? Eras / Ages? etc etc.

As a person who've never read comic books, this would likely confuse the minikitty out of me. It could be cool, but I'd bet against any sort of total organizational overhaul.

HairyDave

soenottelling wrote:

So... yellow ares, red moon, blue dakan, black bullseye, purple yelena?

Doesn't feel right without Rags in there somewhere... maybe make him red, make Moonie purple and flip the colour positions.

Unknown

What with people buying up Fury already before the third colour has been brought into play, I can see an eventual nerf happening there somewhere... Seriously, Fury must be the most overpowered character in the game (something you really can't say about X-Wolvie and Sue!).

And yeah, my bets are on a new 4* for the next season too.

Unknown

I've heard that there are whales who already own a 10-cover Nick.

Which to me seems dumb because I'm sure the correct spread of Nick is going to be 3 in Purple.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I certainly won't be spending the money to get a 13-cover Nick, even if my alliance lets me back in when (and IF) my data gets restored.

over_clocked

Rico Dredd wrote:

What with people buying up Fury already before the third colour has been brought into play, I can see an eventual nerf happening there somewhere... Seriously, Fury must be the most overpowered character in the game (something you really can't say about X-Wolvie and Sue!).

And yeah, my bets are on a new 4* for the next season too.

As long as Hood exists, Fury is not *that* overpowered, all Fury powers take 10 or more AP to activate. His most OP power that hasn't been released yet requires AP of all colours (at least of 5, we believe), so Hood would be very good in shutting Fury down. Of course, you can combine Fury with Sentry and Daken...

yogi_

HailMary wrote:

yogi_ wrote:

So, what to do with IW and X-Force Wolvie? IW can morph into a (probably useful supporting type) 3* character (joining Torch) and X-FW, not quite sure.

Well, the XWolv buff has been a loooooong time coming, so I'm not holding my breath for that one, and IW is already a usable character with a rather unique skill set.

Also, how is Torch is a supporting character?

yogi_ wrote:

But damn that ridiculous gold star classification. Even if the exact stats are copied from earlier versions, a 3* with shinyness, makes no sense when trying to make a solid classification (as discussed in numerous other threads).

Well, they're just 3*s. "Gold" actually makes sense to explicitly differentiate "upgraded" 1*/2* characters from truly unique 3* characters. I'm pretty sure that the Gold character covers have pulsing stars simply to highlight them, especially for people who simply want to keep playing their favorite 1*/2* characters into 3* land.

2 (poor in comparison to their supposed very high status) characters sitting in a class of their own for months is hardly valid or worthy of their own category. I only suggested to move IW to join similarly powerful characters and that HT was also a FF member, that's all - nothing so exciting.

I take your point on the flashing, but while a reasonable justification, from an overall game perspective, I'm not sold, nor has a dev ever explained their reasoning (I think). Can we then have flashing 1*s and 2*'s? Is a non-flashing 3* less or less important than a normal 3*? Is a 4* more valuable? Why is Wolvie / BW / IM then different across levels, where as other characters aren't - are they going to get Gold status as well? Why does flashing Daken then have a 3rd skill? Why is Gold Storm like her 1* and not 2* where most of the other Gold characters have come from? Are we going to see all the other 1 and 2*'s get flashing equivalents? etc etc etc etc etc [All rhetorical questions to throw up issues raised by the existence of flashing characters].

As far as I am concerned, the characters can be designed with whatever specific points / skills anyone wants, but my point is that when you have a logical classification, then there is no need for flashing.

HailMary

yogi_ wrote:

2 characters sitting in a class of their own for months is hardly valid or worthy of their own category. I only suggested to move IW to join similarly powerful characters and that HT was also a FF member, that's all - nothing so exciting.

I take your point on the flashing, but while a reasonable justification, from an overall game perspective, I'm not sold, nor has a dev ever explained their reasoning (I think). Can we then have flashing 1*s and 2*'s? Is a non-flashing 3* less or less important than a normal 3*? Is a 4* more valuable? Why is Wolvie / BW then different across levels, where as other characters aren't - are they going to get Gold status as well? Why does flashing Daken then have a 3rd skill? Why is Gold Storm like her 1* and not 2* where most of the other Gold characters have come from? Are we going to see all the other 1 and 2*'s get flashing equivalents? etc etc etc etc etc [All rhetorical questions to throw up issues raised by the existence of flashing characters].

As far as I am concerned, the characters can be designed with whatever specific points / skills anyone wants, but my point is that when you have a logical classification, then there is no need for flashing.

I agree with you on the 4*s. They kinda suck. And yeah, I misunderstood your "support character" statement as referring to Torch's role in a 3-man team.

As for the Gold/flashiness, there was quite a bit of confusion when LT was first introduced, esp. before covers actually got into the hands of players: why do the stars flash? would they do something when you click on them?! can you directly upgrade your 2* Thor to LT?!

Gold characters weren't part of the original game's roadmap, and were added in when (some) players wanted to keep using their favorite 1*/2* characters in 3* land. Thus, the lack of consistency.

Heck, Patch can be thought of as an embiggening of AWolv (G = hit + strikes, R = big nuke, Y = regen) along the lines of Daken (hits harder, but with more tradeoffs), so... it's far from perfect.

yogi_

I always enjoy your posts and informed contributions to the forums and often learn stuff as well!

I am trying to plot out a "new" classification with a couple of cool twists, but it's tricky as their is no "right" way of doing it so just fidgeting with what exists, but got an idea or two...

Joker117

I think they realized many ppl don't even have a useful 4 star character or even have 1 4star character ..and they shouldn't be a huge majority right?

New ppl still joining and all ..maybe a new 4 star every season was the plan but they slowed that down in an attempt to let new players catch up ?