New best defensive team?

Spoit

Good post, but I disagree about LT+sentry synergy. For sentry you want the green to go up as soon (and as often) as possible, which means not having another green character to mess with it, which is why the hood might be nice, but probably not as much of a deterrent against the zombie hordes. Unfortunately, the only high health char without green is BP, who would take away sentry's good yellow with his **** one

ThatOneGuyjp189512

The one i run my sim with(and the reason i stopped developement on super daken) is Super Thor/BP/Cmags. Rainbow team with all covers covered, slight conflict with yellow but the big big attacks(call of the storm, translocation, rage of the panther) are no conflict at all, has a ton of HP between all of them and 3 different high damage attacks to worry about.

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ThatOneGuyjp189512 wrote:

The one i run my sim with(and the reason i stopped developement on super daken) is Super Thor/BP/Cmags. Rainbow team with all covers covered, slight conflict with yellow but the big big attacks(call of the storm, translocation, rage of the panther) are no conflict at all, has a ton of HP between all of them and 3 different high damage attacks to worry about.

That's the exact same team I run. Huge attacks on Green, Purple and Black, and good attacks on Red and Yellow. A lot of health to chew through as well. It's not the ultimate defensive team IMO, but it's certainly the best I can put out with my current roster.

Polares

mohio wrote:

Maybe it's just because I'm always using either 3/5/5 Punisher or 3/5/5 LT, but Hulk is pretty easily dispatched just by saving up for 3-ish abilities (and maxed, you can do match damage against him without worrying about anger). On the other hand max Hood or max Daken + another scary hero (Sentry or LT maybe) are way more likely to make me skip them.

To the guy asking about LT and BP together, that's one of the problems with that pairing - the AI will most often end up using Battleplan, which is obviously less than ideal. It makes CotS much less reliable to go off too. It's still a somewhat intimidating pairing for most people and a ton of HP, but a smart player will deny black and green and win pretty easily.

This is exactly what I do, you just need to save two attacks (plus all the tile damage done to him before) and he is dead without triggering any anger. With Patch and Sentry he can be killed with just one attack (!!!), so it is even worse. And when you have LThor with 8000+, Sentry with 8000+, Patch and Daken with regen, BP 7000+, Hulk's difference in hp is not that much. I tell you if I see a LThor or a Sentry maybe I will skip, but if I see a Hulk I know I am gonna win without problems. Hulk was great BEFORE all these new monsters were released. I think any player with 141 lvl characters will not hesitate in attacking a Hulk.

LT and BP doesn't work well together. Of course things change a lot with Sentry, Sentry's yellow is cheaper (and better of course) than BP's, so in general AI should trigger Sentry's and not BP's. But I have not played Sentry with (or against) BP yet so I can't confirm, maybe AI thinks it is better to not harm your own characters and triggers BP's instead of Sentry's.

OnesOwnGrief

Hulk is just big, not really scary. A solid 2* team can down a 141 Hulk if you run an OBW. Match damage may hurt a little but if you keep OBW out of the way of Clap and Smash, you're fine. Just pop powers and hit AGD last and you're fine. I'm honestly more worried about just about everyone else over Hulk.

Defense game would change drastically if they didn't allow you to pick the enemy and it dynamically switched based on color matched just like your own team Hulk could be scary then if the AI was able to toss him in front from the start.

Unknown

To be honest, there is no good defensive team until CMag is fix. Cause no matter what team i put out i ll always lose to anyone and everyone using Cmag.

You just dont lose with CMags. If you have a really strong defensive team at highly level, the chance is the other guys will have a Cmag and he will hit you everytime you have high enough score.

I think a good team overall is Hood/LThor/Nick Fury considering Cmag will get rebalance.

Polares

In the Hood tournament If I see a team composed of a 141 Sentry, 141 Daken and 212 Hood I press skiiiiip. It's not worth the risk (and i have seen a bunch of them already :S)

simonsez

To the people who don't mind facing Hulk, are any of you using LD? Even if I'm trying to hoard AP, I'm going to end up matching some greens, either accidentally or by necessity, and that's when all hell breaks loose. And god forbid I get a "lucky" cascade...

Spoit

simonsez wrote:

To the people who don't mind facing Hulk, are any of you using LD? Even if I'm trying to hoard AP, I'm going to end up matching some greens, either accidentally or by necessity, and that's when all hell breaks loose. And god forbid I get a "lucky" cascade...

A maxed hulk can take up to 489 damage without triggering anger, so you can have at least a small handful of laken strikes out. And if you're still triggering anger with just matches, you can match them or use the blue to reduce them

simonsez

Good in theory, but green matches seem to happen way more than blue matches, which means Daken's blue can't keep up with clearing the strike tiles... at least not for me.

Unknown

Even if you're using Daken, you don't have to (and shouldn't) attack Hulk first, and especially not when your match damage exceeds the threshold for Anger.

And if for some reason you pile up 500 damage match 3s with no blue AP and Hulk is the only person left and I got no AP consuming moves to use, I'll still take my chances.

Spoit

simonsez wrote:

Good in theory, but green matches seem to happen way more than blue matches, which means Daken's blue can't keep up with clearing the strike tiles... at least not for me.

Like I said, you have almost 500 damage before it triggers. You only get like 200 from a match 3 on the strongest color, so you can get like 5 before you trigger it, which is a pretty average amount. Even with only 3 blue, you're eating up 3 strikes with a cast, and I almost never have 8 strikes out without them getting matched away

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Spoit wrote:

Good post, but I disagree about LT+sentry synergy. For sentry you want the green to go up as soon (and as often) as possible, which means not having another green character to mess with it, which is why the hood might be nice, but probably not as much of a deterrent against the zombie hordes. Unfortunately, the only high health char without green is BP, who would take away sentry's good yellow with his **** one

defensive combos i think need overlap actually. Since the offense always has an advantage, its in your best interest to assume that one character is going to die fast enough that he won't do too much...and overlap makes it harder to select who to attack next. That is the reason hood is good. Even if he is ko-ed by turn 4-5 he will likely have stolen a few ap, which is more than a lot of defensive characters with only 1k more hp than he can say they did. Thor and sentry overlap, but both have amazing greens (the kind of overlap you want) and due to sentry's green being low cost, you will likely attack him first over thor which means there is a higher likelihood that thor gets his yellow as opposed to sentry using his (sentry yellow can be great if the machine hits a nice cascade the next turn). Like i said though, they need a solid character to cover 1-3 more colors though, otherwise its too easy to guard against green/yellow. If thor is the last character you kill on a team it means one of 2 things: either your team is deadly, or your other two characters are low hp. sentry/thor/comp. color is the former.

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I'd have to agree with the hulk eaters out there. He may be the reason some people skip you in PVP but think about this - With hulk on your team, only people who know they can whoop your team with their eyes closed will attack you and so you net 0 defensive wins. Without hulk, people who arent certain will still try to attack you and you will then net some defensive wins.
Hulk was my second 141 and pretty much redundant as soon as I had other 3*'s I could use instead of him.
I love to use the hood but he he stops you using BP in the race for black. Currently im using LT & CMags a lot which is a mixed bag of wins/losses on defense but normally use a team with hood in as people underestimate his power and then lose because of this.
If your opponent is using CMags - game over. If your opponent is using sentry with Laken - Game over. This list could go on but my point is that in my experience big HP does not do any better on defense than good support with a damage dealer.

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There are 6 names (storm could become the 7th name IMO, the constant cascades can end a team but the issue is she has the same colors as most of the cast you see below anyway - paired with hood or panther... yeah I might skip that.)

Sentry
Daken
Hulk
Pather
Hood
Thor

They all have advantages and disadvantages and its going to depend on the players team on if they will skip heavy HP or a stealing team. I for one prefer to fight a Daken over all of those listed. I can take him out easier than a Lazy Thor. One purple from Mag Ices a Daken or Hood. If the board falls right with blues for mag too he can take out low HP characters without much draw back from Hood or Daken. Daken doesnt get to regen and hood doesnt get to steal if you take multiple turns in a row.

Sentry is the best D character right now no question. Most of us dont have him at 141 but if you do you are already using him over an option like Thor.

HP scare me the most generally. Not because teams are unbeatable. But because it takes a while and I might get hit during that time. IMO HP are King. Though I can see Panther or Thor over Hulks massive HP if you want the better offense for the chance to get some wins. If I had a 141 Hulk though I would hesitate pairing him with Panther over Thor. But I still hit a Daken over a L Thor when I'm playing. Its just easier for my team to deal with him.


I got 5 wins on offense last night with Thor and Panther tanking with a lvl 23 storm.

Unknown

I was thinking, if you have spidey with 5 in purple and falcon also with 5 in purple plus a token damage dealer (LT or Sentry) you would have quite a strong defensive team.... Matching purple makes spidey lay out shield tiles and then when you have the AP falcon says "hey why have another gazillion of those defense tiles just in case someone actually wanted to do you some damage" In the mean time you damage dealer is free to mop up the floor.... Dont have any purple for spidey so cant test this team out but would be interesting if anyone else can and let me know how it goes? Could even throw Shieldbro in there for extra shield tiles and big damage?