New Character - Sam Wilson (Brave New World) 5*

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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @KGB said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    He's wild. He fits perfectly with a bunch of characters people are already using a ton. Try out Sam/Polaris/Omega Red or 4* Juggernaut -- Sam pumps up those AoE attacks to a huge level quickly, and he has his own AoE.

    Iron May might be better at buffing but she's got zero defense and she doesn't enable Polaris shenanigans like Sam does.

    The passive is either bugged or not as good as we hoped.

    I took him out with Juggs/Polaris. If you get a cascade you don't get his AOE passive triggering on the ensuing cascade (I tried a match 3 that wasn't Juggs colors that cascaded into his color and it didn't trigger on the cascade so I got no strikes. I also tried a match 3 that was Juggs colors that cascaded into another of Juggs colors and that created just 2 strikes instead of 4).

    However if you make a match 5 in Juggs colors you'll get 2 strikes and on the extra move if you make another match in Juggs colors you'll get 2 more strikes as expected.

    KGB

    His passive only goes off once, at the end of the turn, for every turn when more than one enemy gets damaged. The strikes are enormous, though.

    If he created ~7k in strike tiles every time Juggernaut made a match...I think that would probably be a bit too strong.

    You think that's because of lessons learned with Polaris? She creates 3 strikes every time you match/destroy a single strike tile. It's not uncommon to make a match 3 with multiple strikes or get a cascade that triggers her creation process multiple times so that she's added 10+ strikes in a single turn. Not to mention she does damage each time this passive triggers too.

    KGB

    I think there's a chance of that, yes. They have recently said they were looking at Polaris (I think in the last Q&A).

    We can't say for sure, but this could be a direction they go with her.

    But the Falcon ability would be completely insane if it triggered like she did, so maybe it's just a one off, or a result of testing, or something else entirety.

  • axmoss
    axmoss Posts: 243 Tile Toppler

    Why do you post an ability at 1 cover, Level 450? We all know the minimum ability covers at level 450 would require 3 covers.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,676 Chairperson of the Boards

    He’s pretty fun. I knocked out all his ability quests in the PvE clears. Teamed him with deathlok and 3may4 with yellow team ups.

    He seems pretty strong and pretty fun.
    Seems like a high b tier character to me. Potentially a low A depending on the situation.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,933 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 7 February 2025, 19:25

    At some point they seem to have updated his red passive and every aoe hit with Jugg makes a strike. Well, that was my first test so far. This was from my first turn and a cascade.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:
    At some point they seem to have updated his red passive and every aoe hit with Jugg makes a strike. Well, that was my first test so far. This was from my first turn and a cascade.


    LOL they did.

    This is completely busted -- Juggernaut/Sam becomes an incredibly punishing pick-2 team. You can add Omega Red in pick-3, or Hulk, or Polaris, or, well, probably anybody else you want.

  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 4,019 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 7 February 2025, 20:55

    Yay! Finally another S tier character!

    Edit: do regular cascades count, or only AOE powers?

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,405 Chairperson of the Boards

    Is this their solution to the leapfrog problem? Doesn't matter if the enemy team is all invisible when your hitting them with some massive aoe damage every turn.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    @BriMan2222 said:
    Is this their solution to the leapfrog problem? Doesn't matter if the enemy team is all invisible when your hitting them with some massive aoe damage every turn.

    I'm not sure any of this is on purpose.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,812 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @bluewolf said:
    At some point they seem to have updated his red passive and every aoe hit with Jugg makes a strike. Well, that was my first test so far. This was from my first turn and a cascade.


    LOL they did.

    This is completely busted -- Juggernaut/Sam becomes an incredibly punishing pick-2 team. You can add Omega Red in pick-3, or Hulk, or Polaris, or, well, probably anybody else you want.

    There's just no way they can keep that in. Juggs will be everywhere.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Borstock said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @bluewolf said:
    At some point they seem to have updated his red passive and every aoe hit with Jugg makes a strike. Well, that was my first test so far. This was from my first turn and a cascade.


    LOL they did.

    This is completely busted -- Juggernaut/Sam becomes an incredibly punishing pick-2 team. You can add Omega Red in pick-3, or Hulk, or Polaris, or, well, probably anybody else you want.

    There's just no way they can keep that in. Juggs will be everywhere.

    Falcon drops ~7k in strikes (at lvl541) every time Juggernaut makes a match. Pair that with Thanos Copter, and a cascade (which will be frequent) is just gonna kill everything immediately.

    I'm not sure who the best 3rd is -- it's either Polaris or another passive AoE. Either way this is a total nightmare to fight. It's the Omega Red team that everyone already complains about, on enough steroids to kill a horse.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    43 seconds against the challenge node, with a pretty bad board.

    https://streamable.com/tsyqfm

    Juggernaut is lvl526, Sam is boosted to 541.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    The Polaris version might be better...

    https://streamable.com/rpbz4g

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 486 Mover and Shaker
    edited 7 February 2025, 22:33

    @entrailbucket said:
    The Polaris version might be better...

    https://streamable.com/rpbz4g

    Maybe it's just me, but those didn't really feel faster than MBaku, Namor, May?

    Definitely a fun team though. Imagine what Black King or Gorr would do to that team, if anything, stunning Juggs to stop his match damage reduction might be the worst part. Tons of SAP counter, I'm here for it.

    It is crazy strong, but at least they didn't add something new that doesn't already have decent counters.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,812 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    The Polaris version might be better...

    https://streamable.com/rpbz4g

    Yeah, that's absurd.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    The Polaris version might be better...

    https://streamable.com/rpbz4g

    Maybe it's just me, but those didn't really feel faster than MBaku, Namor, May?

    Definitely a fun team though. Imagine what Black King or Gorr would do to that team, if anything, stunning Juggs to stop his match damage reduction might be the worst part. Tons of SAP counter, I'm here for it.

    It is crazy strong, but at least they didn't add something new that doesn't already have decent counters.

    That team has negative defensive value, this one definitely doesn't.

    Those counters also aren't going to stop you from eating a 200k+ AoE cascade -- both trigger on your turn only.

    Hilariously, BSS does completely shut down Falcon, but I wouldn't want to leave him out on defense anywhere.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 486 Mover and Shaker
    edited 7 February 2025, 23:08

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WhiteBomber said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    The Polaris version might be better...

    https://streamable.com/rpbz4g

    Maybe it's just me, but those didn't really feel faster than MBaku, Namor, May?

    Definitely a fun team though. Imagine what Black King or Gorr would do to that team, if anything, stunning Juggs to stop his match damage reduction might be the worst part. Tons of SAP counter, I'm here for it.

    It is crazy strong, but at least they didn't add something new that doesn't already have decent counters.

    That team has negative defensive value, this one definitely doesn't.

    Those counters also aren't going to stop you from eating a 200k+ AoE cascade -- both trigger on your turn only.

    Hilariously, BSS does completely shut down Falcon, but I wouldn't want to leave him out on defense anywhere.

    I'm not sure what team has no defensive value since I didn't mention any teams. With my current roster though, I believe I could stop that Jugg, Sam, 3rd much easier than Red, Chasm, May.

    I wouldn't second guess fighting that team unless maybe it had Chasm on it. I actually just killed a few of them without knowing it was triggering more than once per turn.

    It is clearly an excellent offensive team though, more than Mbaku, hard to say (for me).

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WhiteBomber said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    The Polaris version might be better...

    https://streamable.com/rpbz4g

    Maybe it's just me, but those didn't really feel faster than MBaku, Namor, May?

    Definitely a fun team though. Imagine what Black King or Gorr would do to that team, if anything, stunning Juggs to stop his match damage reduction might be the worst part. Tons of SAP counter, I'm here for it.

    It is crazy strong, but at least they didn't add something new that doesn't already have decent counters.

    That team has negative defensive value, this one definitely doesn't.

    Those counters also aren't going to stop you from eating a 200k+ AoE cascade -- both trigger on your turn only.

    Hilariously, BSS does completely shut down Falcon, but I wouldn't want to leave him out on defense anywhere.

    I'm not sure what team has no defensive value since I didn't mention any teams. With my current roster though, I believe I could stop that Jugg, Sam, 3rd much easier than Red, Chasm, May.

    I wouldn't second guess fighting that team unless maybe it had Chasm on it. I actually just killed a few of them without knowing it was triggering more than once per turn.

    It is clearly an excellent offensive team though, more than Mbaku, hard to say (for me).

    You mentioned M'baku Namor May...

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 486 Mover and Shaker

    Oh, not to fight Juggs with that team, but as an offensive team, it's hard to imagine much better. I leave them on defense, but only for funsies, they win sometimes. Baku, Chasm, May/Namor is good on defense tho.

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