MPQ 2025 Dev Update #1

DAZ0273

Free stuff is free stuff! Just do what you can/want!

GrimSkald

@DAZ0273 said:
I don't even know that he did all that badly! He got two 5*, nine 4's, some CP and 700 HP not 49 team-up boosts and a kick in the scrotum

I didn't get any 5★ covers. Out of 48 pulls I did get 2 LTs, 2 Classics, 11 4* covers (including 2 out of the 4 each of Samurai and Echo,) the Ascended Magik and a bunch of other miscellaneous stuff. I would have liked the Ascended Elektra but >shrug< that's the way it goes. It's not as if she'll be worth anything as a 5★ -- just another rewards generator.

The 5★ covers and the Ascended 3★s are the real plum rewards in these vaults (the things you can't get anywhere else.) For just one season it's fine, but I do think letting us be able to always claim them is important, even if it's only one Ascended 3★.

DAZ0273

@GrimSkald said:

@DAZ0273 said:
I don't even know that he did all that badly! He got two 5*, nine 4's, some CP and 700 HP not 49 team-up boosts and a kick in the scrotum

I didn't get any 5★ covers. Out of 48 pulls I did get 2 LTs, 2 Classics, 11 4* covers (including 2 out of the 4 each of Samurai and Echo,) the Ascended Magik and a bunch of other miscellaneous stuff. I would have liked the Ascended Elektra but >shrug< that's the way it goes. It's not as if she'll be worth anything as a 5★ -- just another rewards generator.

The 5★ covers and the Ascended 3★s are the real plum rewards in these vaults (the things you can't get anywhere else.) For just one season it's fine, but I do think letting us be able to always claim them is important, even if it's only one Ascended 3★.

I didn't get any 5s or any Ascended. Of course as a player I am always in favour of more stuff for us but well...you do have to have some perspective I feel.

GrimSkald

@DAZ0273 said:

@GrimSkald said:

@DAZ0273 said:
I don't even know that he did all that badly! He got two 5*, nine 4's, some CP and 700 HP not 49 team-up boosts and a kick in the scrotum

I didn't get any 5★ covers. Out of 48 pulls I did get 2 LTs, 2 Classics, 11 4* covers (including 2 out of the 4 each of Samurai and Echo,) the Ascended Magik and a bunch of other miscellaneous stuff. I would have liked the Ascended Elektra but >shrug< that's the way it goes. It's not as if she'll be worth anything as a 5★ -- just another rewards generator.

The 5★ covers and the Ascended 3★s are the real plum rewards in these vaults (the things you can't get anywhere else.) For just one season it's fine, but I do think letting us be able to always claim them is important, even if it's only one Ascended 3★.

I didn't get any 5s or any Ascended. Of course as a player I am always in favour of more stuff for us but well...you do have to have some perspective I feel.

Yeah, fair enough. Trouble is, I already had the Ascended Magik (point of fact it helped me get her to 5★ status, she's now one of my two 3|5★s) so it wasn't particularly valuable to me.

I'm not saying that I'm pissed, that's just the luck of the draw, but I'd definitely say it's hard to complain of one's luck if one pulled any of the 5★s (even if you had them maxxed, that's still a cover you can convert to someone else.)

Borstock

@Scofie said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@slidecage said:

@Scofie said:

@slidecage said:

@Scofie said:

@slidecage said:
60 item vault says a third though missions so that is only 20. Say 15 with over level if lucky. That is only 35 so your still only going to have a 50 chance at getting the ascended .

They need more info like

If you complete all 50 levels you will earn 20 tokens

Compelet all rewards will earn you say 15 more

There will be a chance to buy hp packages that will earn you up to 15 more

The final 10 tokens you must buy with cash

Though I'm guessing that be higher then 10

Face it it's never coming back to the way it was and really not even worth the hassle anymore they just screwed this up too badly

Anyone notice this last 2 star did not have the ascended vault

I think it's fine to speculate about how many tokens are available to buy versus how many are free. It's already been said that there will be more tokens available than rewards, so it could be 70 "free" v 20 "bought" or 30 "free" and 60 "bought" or 80 "free" and 80 "bought".

What I don't quite understand is being annoyed about the guess you've just made in advance of it being proved right or wrong. You're right that it won't go back to the way it was and I think the reasons for that are pretty clear. There were many people on this forum that said "this won't last because it's too generous". And it hasn't.

And it depends on your definition of "screwed up", I suppose. They did something overly generous, spotted it and reversed it too far, listened to that criticism and found a good halfway measure. The alternatives are to start with the bad version always and increase it slowly to avoid complaints. Personally, I'd rather they make generous mistakes, bank the extra stuff and not worry about what comes next.

However many there are, the tokens are still "free". Even if only one token is free, you can still get the ascended character. By reducing the vault size, the chances of getting one item is increased so there's that (though reducing the number of ascended characters diminishes the chance of getting any ascended character). What you're talking about is guaranteeing getting it with free tokens to avoid RNG which is a mechanism that the game lives on. It's why a 5☆ only token would never work well for the game. It's great for players but you need to experience the lows of a long run of owning CT/LTs without a 5☆ to fully enjoy the highs of 4 in a row.

Mostly all I'm asking is it will be nice if they will put out the numbers of

How many you get by clearing 50 stages
How many you get if all missions
How many will be by hp
How many hy cash

So people know the numbers before playing

Even if it's 5 tokens by cash that means still a chance you could do everything and still miss out on the best item

In the past I wanted all the ascended and make sure I did all the daily but then figure out it be years before I ever make them higher so mostly stop chasing

I think the first one only got less then 20 covers added so it will be many many years before I can ascended then

I think writing that now is a hostage to fortune. They'll want to iterate it and balance rewards across events and all sorts of things. So it won't be published now or in advance. That's basic sales - you will not sell a bundle of tokens on day 3 if you know you've got a 75% chance of getting the rewards for free. Keeping that hidden is a way to capitalise on FOMO.

I also don't understand why you'd need to know that begin playing? Surely if you're not bothered you'll just get as many as you get without trying and open them? If there's something in there you want, you'll try to get a many as possible and buy if you don't get it?

The ascended character is by far the most objectively valuable thing in the vault but I like the 5☆s and costumes as much. I'm fine with getting or not getting things for free. If I desperately want something and I dint get it through free tokens, I'll buy vault tokens until I do. It's not a case of all or nothing.

simple cause if i know if i can earn say 50 out of 60 for free then i will have a reason to make sure i get all missions done.. now if its 30 or 40 out of 60 then i really wouldnt care as much as i know there is still a 50% chance i will not get what i want

will the X sesonal vault end or will it still go on for 33 days

This makes no sense whatsoever.

My only interpretation is that time spent on earning a reward should be proportional to the reward. So Quests that requires a load more effort aren't worth trying for if you have a minimal chance of getting the thing you want anyway. Which I sort of understand: an additional 3 hours playing the game is 3 less hours spent on other things, and you want it to be worth something. Quite where the cut off is between effort and probability, I'm not sure, but I'm very much in the camp of try and see what happens - most quests can be completed with very minor tweaks to gameplay.

@GrimSkald said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@GrimSkald said:

@DAZ0273 said:
I don't even know that he did all that badly! He got two 5*, nine 4's, some CP and 700 HP not 49 team-up boosts and a kick in the scrotum

I didn't get any 5★ covers. Out of 48 pulls I did get 2 LTs, 2 Classics, 11 4* covers (including 2 out of the 4 each of Samurai and Echo,) the Ascended Magik and a bunch of other miscellaneous stuff. I would have liked the Ascended Elektra but >shrug< that's the way it goes. It's not as if she'll be worth anything as a 5★ -- just another rewards generator.

The 5★ covers and the Ascended 3★s are the real plum rewards in these vaults (the things you can't get anywhere else.) For just one season it's fine, but I do think letting us be able to always claim them is important, even if it's only one Ascended 3★.

I didn't get any 5s or any Ascended. Of course as a player I am always in favour of more stuff for us but well...you do have to have some perspective I feel.

Yeah, fair enough. Trouble is, I already had the Ascended Magik (point of fact it helped me get her to 5★ status, she's now one of my two 3|5★s) so it wasn't particularly valuable to me.

I'm not saying that I'm pissed, that's just the luck of the draw, but I'd definitely say it's hard to complain of one's luck if one pulled any of the 5★s (even if you had them maxxed, that's still a cover you can convert to someone else.)

I have FOUR ascended Magiks. It's annoying.

MgoBlue51

@Borstock said:

@Scofie said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@slidecage said:

@Scofie said:

@slidecage said:

@Scofie said:

@slidecage said:
60 item vault says a third though missions so that is only 20. Say 15 with over level if lucky. That is only 35 so your still only going to have a 50 chance at getting the ascended .

They need more info like

If you complete all 50 levels you will earn 20 tokens

Compelet all rewards will earn you say 15 more

There will be a chance to buy hp packages that will earn you up to 15 more

The final 10 tokens you must buy with cash

Though I'm guessing that be higher then 10

Face it it's never coming back to the way it was and really not even worth the hassle anymore they just screwed this up too badly

Anyone notice this last 2 star did not have the ascended vault

I think it's fine to speculate about how many tokens are available to buy versus how many are free. It's already been said that there will be more tokens available than rewards, so it could be 70 "free" v 20 "bought" or 30 "free" and 60 "bought" or 80 "free" and 80 "bought".

What I don't quite understand is being annoyed about the guess you've just made in advance of it being proved right or wrong. You're right that it won't go back to the way it was and I think the reasons for that are pretty clear. There were many people on this forum that said "this won't last because it's too generous". And it hasn't.

And it depends on your definition of "screwed up", I suppose. They did something overly generous, spotted it and reversed it too far, listened to that criticism and found a good halfway measure. The alternatives are to start with the bad version always and increase it slowly to avoid complaints. Personally, I'd rather they make generous mistakes, bank the extra stuff and not worry about what comes next.

However many there are, the tokens are still "free". Even if only one token is free, you can still get the ascended character. By reducing the vault size, the chances of getting one item is increased so there's that (though reducing the number of ascended characters diminishes the chance of getting any ascended character). What you're talking about is guaranteeing getting it with free tokens to avoid RNG which is a mechanism that the game lives on. It's why a 5☆ only token would never work well for the game. It's great for players but you need to experience the lows of a long run of owning CT/LTs without a 5☆ to fully enjoy the highs of 4 in a row.

Mostly all I'm asking is it will be nice if they will put out the numbers of

How many you get by clearing 50 stages
How many you get if all missions
How many will be by hp
How many hy cash

So people know the numbers before playing

Even if it's 5 tokens by cash that means still a chance you could do everything and still miss out on the best item

In the past I wanted all the ascended and make sure I did all the daily but then figure out it be years before I ever make them higher so mostly stop chasing

I think the first one only got less then 20 covers added so it will be many many years before I can ascended then

I think writing that now is a hostage to fortune. They'll want to iterate it and balance rewards across events and all sorts of things. So it won't be published now or in advance. That's basic sales - you will not sell a bundle of tokens on day 3 if you know you've got a 75% chance of getting the rewards for free. Keeping that hidden is a way to capitalise on FOMO.

I also don't understand why you'd need to know that begin playing? Surely if you're not bothered you'll just get as many as you get without trying and open them? If there's something in there you want, you'll try to get a many as possible and buy if you don't get it?

The ascended character is by far the most objectively valuable thing in the vault but I like the 5☆s and costumes as much. I'm fine with getting or not getting things for free. If I desperately want something and I dint get it through free tokens, I'll buy vault tokens until I do. It's not a case of all or nothing.

simple cause if i know if i can earn say 50 out of 60 for free then i will have a reason to make sure i get all missions done.. now if its 30 or 40 out of 60 then i really wouldnt care as much as i know there is still a 50% chance i will not get what i want

will the X sesonal vault end or will it still go on for 33 days

This makes no sense whatsoever.

My only interpretation is that time spent on earning a reward should be proportional to the reward. So Quests that requires a load more effort aren't worth trying for if you have a minimal chance of getting the thing you want anyway. Which I sort of understand: an additional 3 hours playing the game is 3 less hours spent on other things, and you want it to be worth something. Quite where the cut off is between effort and probability, I'm not sure, but I'm very much in the camp of try and see what happens - most quests can be completed with very minor tweaks to gameplay.

@GrimSkald said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@GrimSkald said:

@DAZ0273 said:
I don't even know that he did all that badly! He got two 5*, nine 4's, some CP and 700 HP not 49 team-up boosts and a kick in the scrotum

I didn't get any 5★ covers. Out of 48 pulls I did get 2 LTs, 2 Classics, 11 4* covers (including 2 out of the 4 each of Samurai and Echo,) the Ascended Magik and a bunch of other miscellaneous stuff. I would have liked the Ascended Elektra but >shrug< that's the way it goes. It's not as if she'll be worth anything as a 5★ -- just another rewards generator.

The 5★ covers and the Ascended 3★s are the real plum rewards in these vaults (the things you can't get anywhere else.) For just one season it's fine, but I do think letting us be able to always claim them is important, even if it's only one Ascended 3★.

I didn't get any 5s or any Ascended. Of course as a player I am always in favour of more stuff for us but well...you do have to have some perspective I feel.

Yeah, fair enough. Trouble is, I already had the Ascended Magik (point of fact it helped me get her to 5★ status, she's now one of my two 3|5★s) so it wasn't particularly valuable to me.

I'm not saying that I'm pissed, that's just the luck of the draw, but I'd definitely say it's hard to complain of one's luck if one pulled any of the 5★s (even if you had them maxxed, that's still a cover you can convert to someone else.)

I have FOUR ascended Magiks. It's annoying.

They really need to implement a way to break up your existing characters in the name of ascension. It takes up a roster spot forever and they are worth piddly to sell

Scofie

@Borstock said:

@Scofie said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@slidecage said:

@Scofie said:

@slidecage said:

@Scofie said:

@slidecage said:
60 item vault says a third though missions so that is only 20. Say 15 with over level if lucky. That is only 35 so your still only going to have a 50 chance at getting the ascended .

They need more info like

If you complete all 50 levels you will earn 20 tokens

Compelet all rewards will earn you say 15 more

There will be a chance to buy hp packages that will earn you up to 15 more

The final 10 tokens you must buy with cash

Though I'm guessing that be higher then 10

Face it it's never coming back to the way it was and really not even worth the hassle anymore they just screwed this up too badly

Anyone notice this last 2 star did not have the ascended vault

I think it's fine to speculate about how many tokens are available to buy versus how many are free. It's already been said that there will be more tokens available than rewards, so it could be 70 "free" v 20 "bought" or 30 "free" and 60 "bought" or 80 "free" and 80 "bought".

What I don't quite understand is being annoyed about the guess you've just made in advance of it being proved right or wrong. You're right that it won't go back to the way it was and I think the reasons for that are pretty clear. There were many people on this forum that said "this won't last because it's too generous". And it hasn't.

And it depends on your definition of "screwed up", I suppose. They did something overly generous, spotted it and reversed it too far, listened to that criticism and found a good halfway measure. The alternatives are to start with the bad version always and increase it slowly to avoid complaints. Personally, I'd rather they make generous mistakes, bank the extra stuff and not worry about what comes next.

However many there are, the tokens are still "free". Even if only one token is free, you can still get the ascended character. By reducing the vault size, the chances of getting one item is increased so there's that (though reducing the number of ascended characters diminishes the chance of getting any ascended character). What you're talking about is guaranteeing getting it with free tokens to avoid RNG which is a mechanism that the game lives on. It's why a 5☆ only token would never work well for the game. It's great for players but you need to experience the lows of a long run of owning CT/LTs without a 5☆ to fully enjoy the highs of 4 in a row.

Mostly all I'm asking is it will be nice if they will put out the numbers of

How many you get by clearing 50 stages
How many you get if all missions
How many will be by hp
How many hy cash

So people know the numbers before playing

Even if it's 5 tokens by cash that means still a chance you could do everything and still miss out on the best item

In the past I wanted all the ascended and make sure I did all the daily but then figure out it be years before I ever make them higher so mostly stop chasing

I think the first one only got less then 20 covers added so it will be many many years before I can ascended then

I think writing that now is a hostage to fortune. They'll want to iterate it and balance rewards across events and all sorts of things. So it won't be published now or in advance. That's basic sales - you will not sell a bundle of tokens on day 3 if you know you've got a 75% chance of getting the rewards for free. Keeping that hidden is a way to capitalise on FOMO.

I also don't understand why you'd need to know that begin playing? Surely if you're not bothered you'll just get as many as you get without trying and open them? If there's something in there you want, you'll try to get a many as possible and buy if you don't get it?

The ascended character is by far the most objectively valuable thing in the vault but I like the 5☆s and costumes as much. I'm fine with getting or not getting things for free. If I desperately want something and I dint get it through free tokens, I'll buy vault tokens until I do. It's not a case of all or nothing.

simple cause if i know if i can earn say 50 out of 60 for free then i will have a reason to make sure i get all missions done.. now if its 30 or 40 out of 60 then i really wouldnt care as much as i know there is still a 50% chance i will not get what i want

will the X sesonal vault end or will it still go on for 33 days

This makes no sense whatsoever.

My only interpretation is that time spent on earning a reward should be proportional to the reward. So Quests that requires a load more effort aren't worth trying for if you have a minimal chance of getting the thing you want anyway. Which I sort of understand: an additional 3 hours playing the game is 3 less hours spent on other things, and you want it to be worth something. Quite where the cut off is between effort and probability, I'm not sure, but I'm very much in the camp of try and see what happens - most quests can be completed with very minor tweaks to gameplay.

@GrimSkald said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@GrimSkald said:

@DAZ0273 said:
I don't even know that he did all that badly! He got two 5*, nine 4's, some CP and 700 HP not 49 team-up boosts and a kick in the scrotum

I didn't get any 5★ covers. Out of 48 pulls I did get 2 LTs, 2 Classics, 11 4* covers (including 2 out of the 4 each of Samurai and Echo,) the Ascended Magik and a bunch of other miscellaneous stuff. I would have liked the Ascended Elektra but >shrug< that's the way it goes. It's not as if she'll be worth anything as a 5★ -- just another rewards generator.

The 5★ covers and the Ascended 3★s are the real plum rewards in these vaults (the things you can't get anywhere else.) For just one season it's fine, but I do think letting us be able to always claim them is important, even if it's only one Ascended 3★.

I didn't get any 5s or any Ascended. Of course as a player I am always in favour of more stuff for us but well...you do have to have some perspective I feel.

Yeah, fair enough. Trouble is, I already had the Ascended Magik (point of fact it helped me get her to 5★ status, she's now one of my two 3|5★s) so it wasn't particularly valuable to me.

I'm not saying that I'm pissed, that's just the luck of the draw, but I'd definitely say it's hard to complain of one's luck if one pulled any of the 5★s (even if you had them maxxed, that's still a cover you can convert to someone else.)

I have FOUR ascended Magiks. It's annoying.

Oof. That is annoying. It'd be nice if you could cover exchange the ascended for another character....