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  • Sarah
    Sarah Posts: 241 Tile Toppler

    @naabaldan does the math show that “we” are wrong or is it just you?

  • naabaldan
    naabaldan Posts: 640 Critical Contributor
    edited 26 January 2025, 10:00

    As i stated before, check the current event schedule. We have more events per week now than ever before. The numbers will follow later today

  • Sarah
    Sarah Posts: 241 Tile Toppler

    I look forward to seeing your numbers. I do not see a significant increase in events without entry fees as compared to 2022.

  • naabaldan
    naabaldan Posts: 640 Critical Contributor

    Counting has been done. We have 100 events more in 2024 compared to 2023.
    Exactly 1734 events.
    That is an average of 33.33 events per week.
    There is mutch more of a pattern the way events are scheduled.
    Example:
    First week pvp events start on Monday and every next two days.
    That is Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday and than again Monday.
    Pve events will start on Tuesday the week pvp starts on Monday every two days.
    Fblthp usually every Wednesday
    Coalition events Saturday
    Special events are inserted as needed

    Events like BFA are handled the same way as any other event. As a result, BFA is playable more often than before.

    More to come.

  • Sarah
    Sarah Posts: 241 Tile Toppler

    OK. Just want to make sure that we are using the same parameters because a couple of variations were suggested at different times. It's seems like you are using counting every event and maybe also counting Monday's event's twice?

    Specifically, I am interested in the average number of events without entry fees in a 7 day period in 2024 compared to 2022. Not including coalition events because we used to get two of them a week, Wednesday PVP and Friday PVE.

  • naabaldan
    naabaldan Posts: 640 Critical Contributor
    edited 3 February 2025, 15:26

    No dups counted. Every event was only entered with its first day not considering it's length.
    Currently all events are included as coalition events are held once a week, creating no difference in the result.
    I need to markup events with an entry fee to distinguish them.
    Currently the matrix includes 83 different events while variants like DoM and AJTH are counting as one event.

  • naabaldan
    naabaldan Posts: 640 Critical Contributor
    edited 3 February 2025, 16:19

    As RP and TotP are regular events with an entry fee the amount of events without a fee compares like that:
    1061 events in 2023
    1119 events in 2024

    Events with entry fees are
    BFA, CoM, CT, FtH, JMP, RP, SB, SD, TotP and ZE.
    Maybe i missed one, please comment. Thx

  • Janosik
    Janosik Posts: 704 Critical Contributor

    @Janosik said:
    One thought occurs about this analysis, and that is that an in game economy depends just as much on what's available to buy as much as how much currency you get.

    Two things certainly have changed in recently which have an affect on how much our currency is worth:

    1) Elite packs have gotten a lot bigger

    Some of the most recent Elite packs have 15 cards in them, whereas Elite packs from, say, VOW or MID were practically half the size. If you're targetting one OP card in an Elite pack, the size of the pack matters, and will require you, on average, to spend more

    2) PM2 cards are incredibly expensive (and, unlike PM1, was not rolled out gradually over a long period of time)

    Sure, you don't have to buy PM2, but you are missing some of the best cards in Standard if you don't, like Deem Inferior or Ocelot Pride... generally I don't tend to agree with people who say the game is Pay to Win, but it is interesting that infinite 2 card Standard combos that form a loop always get a nerf (like, Mechanised Warfare+Rem Karolus, or Curse of Vitality, or Firebeast+Unholy indenture, or Danitha and Blade of Shared Souls...), but Ocelot Pride has been allowed to go un-nerfed... Presumably because not enough people can afford to buy the thing so people are rarely losing to it (This does not, however, mean the card is not problematic!)

    PM2 was something of a turning point in the game for me in my gameplay... prior to that I was skipping most of the dailys (but still playing all of the other weekday events) but when PM2 came out I really had to start playing everything that gave a net positive in crystals (so, not TOTP) to earn enough crystals to afford PM2. So it already felt to me like my in-game currency wasn't buying me as much of the game as it used to, even before the cutbacks associated with the Holiversary.

    A further thought occured to me about this today: Don't we get less packs from recent sets as event rewards now?

    When RevP was introduced, it gave a booster from the most recent set as a prize... first DMU, then BRO, then ONE. This was in line with the previous daily event Rising Tensions, which (in it's original daily form) also gave out prize boosters from the most recent set, didn't it?

    And then, for whatever reason (and let's face it, the most likely reason is Oktagon just forgetting to update it in their dying days... or perhaps Webcore not realising it was supposed to update), RevP froze it's prize boosters and now just rotates through the 2022-2023 sets DMU, BRO and ONE.

  • ArielSira
    ArielSira Posts: 550 Critical Contributor

    To me it feels we get quite some Foundation packs as reward, the droprate in this set for me is just horrible. Very few mythics (it took weeks to get the first) but also several dupes of those few mythics. And most events where we get 5 packs just mean commons and uncommons for me. It's the first set in years where I collected C and U completely before the newest set.

    The one thing I do miss is that steady bonus rare from the RevP events.

  • Janosik
    Janosik Posts: 704 Critical Contributor

    Also I've been looking at the sets we've had to spend out resources on, and there were a lot more cards released in 2024 than 2023!

    ONE - Mar 2023 - 224 cards
    MOM - Jun 2023 - 130 cards
    WOE - Oct 2023 - 210 cards
    LCI - Dec 2023 - 221 cards

    Total cards released in 2023: 785 cards

    MKM - Mar 2024 - 249 cards
    OTJ - May 2024 - 264 cards
    BLB - Aug 2024 - 217 cards
    DSK - Oct 2024 - 250 cards
    FDN - Nov 2024 - 205 cards

    PM2 - Jul 2024 - 120 cards (but these are much more expensive than normal cards!)

    Total cards released in 2024: 1185 + 120 PM2 = 1305 cards

    That's a lot more, isnt it? I used the in-game search here and excluded just the alternate art cards, apologies if I forgot anything important and my numbers are a little off.

    PMA1 was of course available to buy in 2023, but since it's release was staggered over 18 months in 2021-2022 I think it's fair to include the PM2 numbers for 2024 but not the PMA1 numbers for 2023.

    And, hey! More cards being available is far from being a bad thing! It's great! it speaks to the improved health of the game overall and having more cards enriches the experience of both collection and gameplay.

    But it does affect the game economy. It's not only collectors who have to buy more boosters to get the cards they want... players who just want the good cards have to open more boosters, whether those boosters are duplicate or non-duplicate.

    Players have to spend more of their resources... which I would argue means they are worth less. A counter argument to that might be "But those players who spend a higher quantity of resources end up with more stuff!". My counterargument to that would be: Yeah but have you SEEN most of the cards in PM2, they suck. We don't want them, they are just obstacles to stop us opening the few good ones like Deem Inferior or Ulamog or Phelia or Echoes in Eternity. The top tier of the best cards in Standard cannot get indefinitely large, because even those cards have varying power levels, and new Tier 1 cards often just knock old Tier 1 cards out of Tier 1.

  • Machine
    Machine Posts: 892 Critical Contributor

    Thanks for the numbers @Janosik . This is exactly what I was talking about when I said the devs focus on popping out cards as much as they can.

  • naabaldan
    naabaldan Posts: 640 Critical Contributor

    Since i have decided to not open fdn boosters anymore because i own a full set, i collected 54 fdn booster and i am not playing every possible event.
    It looks to me like wc has added enough possibilities to get cards from the new set after we demand it.

  • Tremayne
    Tremayne Posts: 1,756 Chairperson of the Boards

    @naabaldan - congrats on getting a full set. My draws in foundation has been absolutely terrible. Fewer rare+ cards and loads of duplicates or so it seems. I’m missing 44 cards (including the 8 exclusive cards) at this time.

    So you might be right in there being more booster packs, but it doesn’t mean much if RNG is against you.

  • Janosik
    Janosik Posts: 704 Critical Contributor

    @naabaldan said:
    Since i have decided to not open fdn boosters anymore because i own a full set, i collected 54 fdn booster and i am not playing every possible event.
    It looks to me like wc has added enough possibilities to get cards from the new set after we demand it.

    Looking through my collection it does look like I have more cards missing from Duskmourn than Foundations... but are there really more events giving away Foundations cards than we've had events giving away cards from the last few sets? Maybe we just bought some more FDN boosters ^_^

    Anyone feel like analysing the data there?

  • khurram
    khurram Posts: 1,101 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Janosik said:

    @naabaldan said:
    Since i have decided to not open fdn boosters anymore because i own a full set, i collected 54 fdn booster and i am not playing every possible event.
    It looks to me like wc has added enough possibilities to get cards from the new set after we demand it.

    Looking through my collection it does look like I have more cards missing from Duskmourn than Foundations... but are there really more events giving away Foundations cards than we've had events giving away cards from the last few sets? Maybe we just bought some more FDN boosters ^_^

    Anyone feel like analysing the data there?

    We have had more opportunities to get FDN boosters because devs have made more events that give out FDN. That has not been the case for the last several sets. It is a good thing but i am very skeptical that its gonna continue since it would mean making 4 or 5 new events for each new set unless they keep updating the boosters to the latest set for events like creatures of magic, silver duel and mana burn.

  • Machine
    Machine Posts: 892 Critical Contributor

    @Janosik said:

    @naabaldan said:
    Since i have decided to not open fdn boosters anymore because i own a full set, i collected 54 fdn booster and i am not playing every possible event.
    It looks to me like wc has added enough possibilities to get cards from the new set after we demand it.

    Looking through my collection it does look like I have more cards missing from Duskmourn than Foundations... but are there really more events giving away Foundations cards than we've had events giving away cards from the last few sets? Maybe we just bought some more FDN boosters ^_^

    Anyone feel like analysing the data there?

    Another reason is that Duskmourn was followed up rather quickly by Foundations, while Foundations has been available for quite some time now without any new set following it up.

  • Janosik
    Janosik Posts: 704 Critical Contributor

    @Machine said:

    @Janosik said:
    Looking through my collection it does look like I have more cards missing from Duskmourn than Foundations... but are there really more events giving away Foundations cards than we've had events giving away cards from the last few sets? Maybe we just bought some more FDN boosters ^_^

    Anyone feel like analysing the data there?

    Another reason is that Duskmourn was followed up rather quickly by Foundations, while Foundations has been available for quite some time now without any new set following it up.

    Oh, wow, I see Duskmourn was only available for 6 weeks before FDN came out? I didn't realise it was so short a time!

  • Sarah
    Sarah Posts: 241 Tile Toppler

    One event that is noticeably absent in 2025 is the special Valentine’s event.

  • naabaldan
    naabaldan Posts: 640 Critical Contributor

    @LoboX01 thank you for doing the math.
    Actually you say 75 less pinkies weight more than 250 gold. Interesting.

    Please don't feel yourself include by the title of this discussion. Absolutely no one should. It's just a catchy phrase to focus on some changes wc did.

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