Spider-Ham (Peter Porker) 4* - Rebalance

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Ability: Into the Spider-Verse

Color: Yellow
AP Cost: 9 (Previously 10)

4 STAR: LEVEL 370

Before:

Spider-Ham reaches through the multiverse and summons Spider-heroes to join the fight. Creates up to 4 3-turn Countdown tiles that create Web tiles, stun the enemy, grant allies a burst of health, and deal damage, respectively.

Level 2: Agent Venom stuns for 2 turns, Spider-Man heals for 744, and Spider-Gwen hits for 2232 damage.
Level 3: Miles Morales creates 3 Web tiles, Spider-Man heals for 1116, and Spider-Gwen hits for 3273 damage.
Level 4: Creates 2-turn Countdown tiles. Spider-Man heals for 1488, and Spider-Gwen hits for 3273 damage.
Level 5: Agent Venom stuns for 3 turns, Spider-Man heals for 2232, and Spider-Gwen hits for 8146 damage. All Countdown tiles are Fortified.

After:

Spider-Ham reaches through the multiverse and summons Spider-heroes to join the fight.

Create up to 4 3-turn Countdown tiles with the following effects:
Miles Morales – Create 2 Web Tiles
Agent Venom – Stun the target for 1 turn(s)
Spider-Man – Heal allies for a burst of 560 health
Spider-Gwen – Deal 1718 damage

Level 2: Create 3 Web tiles. Stun for 2 turns. Heal 746 health. Deal 2240 damage.
Level 3: Heal 1120 health. Deal 3287 damage.
Level 4: Create 2-turn tiles. Heal 1494 health. Deal 5602 damage.
Level 5: Create 5 Web tiles. Stun for 3 turns. Heal 3734 health. Deal 9076 damage.

5 STAR (ASCENDED): LEVEL 550

Before:

Spider-Ham reaches through the multiverse and summons Spider-heroes to join the fight. Creates up to 4 3-turn Countdown tiles that create Web tiles, stun the enemy, grant allies a burst of health, and deal damage, respectively.

Level 2: Agent Venom stuns for 2 turns, Spider-Man heals for 6926, and Spider-Gwen hits for 19295 damage.
Level 3: Miles Morales creates 3 Web tiles, Spider-Man heals for 7677, and Spider-Gwen hits for 23013 damage.
Level 4: Creates 2-turn Countdown tiles. Spider-Man heals for 8485, and Spider-Gwen hits for 23013 damage.
Level 5: Agent Venom stuns for 3 turns, Spider-Man heals for 9986, and Spider-Gwen hits for 36112 damage. All Countdown tiles are Fortified.

After:

Spider-Ham reaches through the multiverse and summons Spider-heroes to join the fight. Create up to 4 3-turn Countdown tiles with the following effects:
Miles Morales – Create 2 Web Tiles
Agent Venom – Stun the target for 1 turn(s)
Spider-Man – Heal allies for a burst of 5772 health
Spider-Gwen – Deal 17702 damage

Level 2: Create 3 Web tiles. Stun for 2 turns. Heal 5962 health. Deal 17897 damage.
Level 3: Heal 6159 health. Deal 18091 damage.
Level 4: Create 2-turn tiles. Heal 6540 health. Deal 19242 damage.
Level 5: Create 5 Web tiles. Stun for 3 turns. Heal 6926 health. Deal 21172 damage.

Ability: A Talking Pig!?!

Color: Purple
AP Cost: 7 (Previously 8)

4 STAR: LEVEL 370

Before:

“Do pigs talk in this dimension? I don’t want to freak anyone out.” Stun a random enemy minion for 1 turn and remove up to 1 enemy Countdown, Strike, Attack, or Protect tile, removing Countdown tiles first.

Level 2: Stun a random enemy minion for 2 turns.
Level 3: Stun all enemy minions for 1 turn and remove up to 2 tiles.
Level 4: Removes up to 3 enemy tiles.
Level 5: Stun all enemy minions for 2 turns and remove up to 4 enemy tiles.

After:

“Do pigs talk in this dimension? I don’t want to freak anyone out.” Stun up to 3 random enemy minions for 1 turn(s) and remove up to 1 enemy Countdown, Strike, Attack, or Protect tile(s), removing Countdown tiles.

Level 2: Stun for 2 turns.Level 3: No change.Level 4: Remove 3 tiles.
Level 5: Remove 4 tiles.

5 STAR (ASCENDED): LEVEL 550

Before:

“Do pigs talk in this dimension? I don’t want to freak anyone out.” Stun a random enemy minion for 1 turn and remove up to 1 enemy Countdown, Strike, Attack, or Protect tile, removing Countdown tiles first.

Level 2: Stun a random enemy minion for 2 turns.
Level 3: Stun all enemy minions for 1 turn and remove up to 2 tiles.
Level 4: Removes up to 3 enemy tiles.
Level 5: Stun all enemy minions for 2 turns and remove up to 4 enemy tiles.

After:

“Do pigs talk in this dimension? I don’t want to freak anyone out.” Stun up to 3 random enemy minions for 1 turn(s) and remove up to 1 enemy Countdown, Strike, Attack, or Protect tile(s), removing Countdown tiles.

Level 2: Stun for 2 turns.Level 3: No change.Level 4: Remove 3 tiles.
Level 5: Remove 4 tiles.

Ability: When Pigs Fly

Color: Blue
AP Cost: 10 (Previously 12)

4 STAR: LEVEL 370

Before:

Spider-Ham swings through the air like a capicola cannonball, bouncing off his foes. Creates a 3-turn Blue Countdown tile which deals 3979 damage to a random enemy. While this tile is on the board, Spider-Ham is Airborne and this tile continues to tick down (even if Spider-Ham becomes Stunned)

Costs 1 fewer AP for each member of the Sinister Six on the enemy team.

Level 2: Creates a 3-turn Blue Countdown tile which deals 7363 damage to a random enemy.
Level 3: Creates a Fortified 3-turn Blue Countdown tile which deals 9185 damage to a random enemy.
Level 4: Creates a Fortified 3-turn Blue Countdown tile which deals 15024 damage to a random enemy.
Level 5: Creates a Fortified 3-turn Blue Countdown tile which deals 26626 damage to a random enemy.

After:

Spider-Ham swings through the air like a capicola cannonball, bouncing off his toes. Create a 3-turn Fortified Blue Countdown tile which deals 4109 damage to a random enemy. If it targets a Minion, repeat this until all enemies have been hit. While this tile is on the board, Spider-Ham is Airborne and this tile continues to tick down (even if Spider-Ham becomes stunned).

(PASSIVE) This ability costs 1 fewer AP for each member of the Sinister Six on the enemy team.

Level 2: Deal 6016 damage.
Level 3: Deal 7918 damage
Level 4: Deal 11768 damage.
Level 5: Deal 19423 damage.

5 STAR (ASCENDED): LEVEL 550

Before:

Spider-Ham swings through the air like a capicola cannonball, bouncing off his foes. Creates a 3-turn Blue Countdown tile which deals 41176 damage to a random enemy. While this tile is on the board, Spider-Ham is Airborne and this tile continues to tick down (even if Spider-Ham becomes Stunned)

Costs 1 fewer AP for each member of the Sinister Six on the enemy team.

Level 2: Creates a 3-turn Blue Countdown tile which deals 59705 damage to a random enemy.
Level 3: Creates a Fortified 3-turn Blue Countdown tile which deals 63411 damage to a random enemy.
Level 4: Creates a Fortified 3-turn Blue Countdown tile which deals 83999 damage to a random enemy.
Level 5: Creates a Fortified 3-turn Blue Countdown tile which deals 117352 damage to a random enemy.

After:

Spider-Ham swings through the air like a capicola cannonball, bouncing off his toes. Create a 3-turn Fortified Blue Countdown tile which deals 41176 damage to a random enemy. If it targets a Minion, repeat this until all enemies have been hit. While this tile is on the board, Spider-Ham is Airborne and this tile continues to tick down (even if Spider-Ham becomes stunned).

(PASSIVE) This ability costs 1 fewer AP for each member of the Sinister Six on the enemy team.

Level 2: Deal 48094 damage.
Level 3: Deal 53858 damage
Level 4: Deal 71193 damage.
Level 5: Deal 103887 damage.

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Comments

  • sambrookjm
    sambrookjm Posts: 2,166 Chairperson of the Boards

    A rebalance on a limited character? I mean, I guess this might affect...someone?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,001 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2024

    @sambrookjm said:
    A rebalance on a limited character? I mean, I guess this might affect...someone?

    I like the limited characters, I've been playing forever and I've actually sorta gone after them when possible.

    I have Devil Dino, Howard and Taskmaster ascended to 5*, with a decent amount of levels.

    Spider-Ham is 370 with a 2/0/4 dupe. He's been offered and included in tokens and vaults incredibly rarely, much more so than the others. I do appreciate this rework because he was one of the very worst 4*, but I'm willing to bet I've got one of the highest level ones and this basically does nothing for me.

  • Pantera236
    Pantera236 Posts: 529 Critical Contributor

    The yellow power at 370 got a little better but no more fortification at 5 covers so actually worse and at 550 you lose fortification and everything is worse. Is this all correct?

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,473 Chairperson of the Boards

    Easily the least coherent power design in the game. Is he still unusable? I can’t really tell.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,289 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Pantera236 said:
    The yellow power at 370 got a little better but no more fortification at 5 covers so actually worse and at 550 you lose fortification and everything is worse. Is this all correct?

    The Yellow lost fortification entirely (4 and ascended).

    On the other hand the Blue power gets it at all levels (before needed to have 3 covers).

    All the damage has been reduced but the cost of powers is also reduced too so damage per AP may still be the same (I didn't work it out).

    KGB

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,289 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2024

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Easily the least coherent power design in the game. Is he still unusable? I can’t really tell.

    He remains really good against minions (goons). His Purple now at 7 is a team stun for 1 turn (2 turns at 2+ covers) against minions (goons) which can be useful in the right circumstances.

    Blue now hits multiple targets as long as it's hitting minions so could hit all 3 enemies if all 3 are goons and it hits hard.

    But essentially he's only useful against goons which is perfect for a limited character. The only exception is if you have Peni Parker equipped as a support and you have an SAP team since he then has a chance to do a random stun when enemies match your SAPs.

    KGB

  • MirrorKnight
    MirrorKnight Posts: 94 Match Maker

    Is he still going to be Limited after this? What is the point of still having Limited characters?

  • WilliamK1983
    WilliamK1983 Posts: 1,020 Chairperson of the Boards

    Day 1449 and my Ham is lvl 279. Free the Limiteds!! I beg of you

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,473 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Easily the least coherent power design in the game. Is he still unusable? I can’t really tell.

    He remains really good against minions (goons). His Purple now at 7 is a team stun for 1 turn (2 turns at 2+ covers) against minions (goons) which can be useful in the right circumstances.

    Blue now hits multiple targets as long as it's hitting minions so could hit all 3 enemies if all 3 are goons and it hits hard.

    But essentially he's only useful against goons which is perfect for a limited character. The only exception is if you have Peni Parker equipped as a support and you have an SAP team since he then has a chance to do a random stun when enemies match your SAPs.

    KGB

    I guess; I’d rather bring Strange I think.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,332 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WilliamK1983 said:
    Day 1449 and my Ham is lvl 279. Free the Limiteds!! I beg of you

    Day 3950 and my ham is lvl 311, so you're doing much better with him than I am.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,473 Chairperson of the Boards

    3217, mine is at 297 largely thanks to him being featured in Classics lately.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,353 Chairperson of the Boards

    I can't access MPQ right now but as I have been playing a similar amount of time to RW I guess my Spider-Ham is probably around those levels. The rebalance numbers hurt my head a bit with all the ups and downs but essentially I don't think they are going to make much of a difference to his usage because I can't really think of an all minion PVE level that needs his specialised help over a boosted 5 (or ascended to 5).

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,353 Chairperson of the Boards

    Do we normally get a costume released with these rebalances?

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,289 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:

    @KGB said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Easily the least coherent power design in the game. Is he still unusable? I can’t really tell.

    He remains really good against minions (goons). His Purple now at 7 is a team stun for 1 turn (2 turns at 2+ covers) against minions (goons) which can be useful in the right circumstances.

    Blue now hits multiple targets as long as it's hitting minions so could hit all 3 enemies if all 3 are goons and it hits hard.

    But essentially he's only useful against goons which is perfect for a limited character. The only exception is if you have Peni Parker equipped as a support and you have an SAP team since he then has a chance to do a random stun when enemies match your SAPs.

    KGB

    I guess; I’d rather bring Strange I think.

    Absolutely and Strange is a 3 star. You'd probably rather have 3 star Omega Red too for the constant team damage. He's clearly useless in today's game because so many newly released characters do his niche job better plus so many new releases just hit that much harder via passives.

    He really should have been released as a 2 star (replacing Bagman) because at that point in the game his Purple would have had value as a fair number of players would still have been finishing up the prologue and still needing stuns for goons (over 1 star Widow).

    KGB

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 400 Mover and Shaker
    edited December 2024

    These changes make me sad and devoid of hope.

  • Hammer3001
    Hammer3001 Posts: 186 Tile Toppler

    I’ve asked them before why the Limiteds cannot be unLimited-ed; and been told they are not really good for daily play.

    And now they have rebalanced Spider-Ham, who is usually left out of Anniversary celebrations, so maybe they’re changing their minds on this issue.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 400 Mover and Shaker

    @Hammer3001 said:
    I’ve asked them before why the Limiteds cannot be unLimited-ed; and been told they are not really good for daily play.

    And now they have rebalanced Spider-Ham, who is usually left out of Anniversary celebrations, so maybe they’re changing their minds on this issue.

    He is still not good for daily play.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,001 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:

    @Hammer3001 said:
    I’ve asked them before why the Limiteds cannot be unLimited-ed; and been told they are not really good for daily play.

    And now they have rebalanced Spider-Ham, who is usually left out of Anniversary celebrations, so maybe they’re changing their minds on this issue.

    He is still not good for daily play.

    The biggest/only (maybe?) problem with the limited guys is that they're not in the boost rotation. I'm not running any unboosted character, ever. I have no idea if Dino or Howard are playable at lvl600, but they're certainly not at 450.

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